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Ukraine should 100% try to join the EU if they make it out of this alive. Putin can choke on a bag of dicks.
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Yureina posted:It might be cool to have the Germans save Europe rather than blow it up. germany's peace-time, non-confrontational military is already struggling under significant manpower shortfalls because nobody in germany wants to join the military, and the economic motivation for a "stable but limited" (in terms of work-life balance etc) career isnt nearly as pronounced as in a lot of other countries. it feels like a number of the americans and english posting old jokes often dont really understand that much about other countries beyond the bits they got taught in high school about ~80-year old history Antigravitas posted:I think the significance of the meeting of the German parliament on Sunday is not properly appreciated internationally. The amount of money is a big shift, but there were many more seismic shifts happening that I haven't seen reported yet. yeah i have spent a large part of the last 5 days going "what the gently caress" about the EU response, particularly germany's. it feels like an unintended shock doctrine where so many things that were previously absolutely off the table are now just.. permissible?
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Shibawanko posted:trying to join the EU seems pretty stupid at this point. it's not going to be accepted by either side and wouldn't really be fair to other states trying to join normally I don't think Ukraine is expecting it either, but it's something they can try to use to negotiate something else in their interests.
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boofhead posted:Re: Germany increased defence spending -- Germany's military is in a shambles for various reasons but it's largely not due to a lack of money (they already have a huge budget, relatively speaking). ideally the 100bn extra would have instead gone towards reforming/supporting the energy sector, but regardless of where the money ends up (the caymans) i'd say the gesture still represents a fairly significant shift in the german political position towards its armed forces and its military role within europe.. but let's see how sustained all these responses are, only time will tell I would think someone had a talk with Scholz that this poo poo (his previous, extremely reluctant stance) can't go on anymore and then he, being enough of a politician, told himself that if he had to do this, he might as well do it right and make it his thing. I doubt it's all going to go to waste because it also has to be able to tide Germany over if Trump or another isolationist-type fascist is elected president in 2024. Not having any meaningful defensive capabilities of its own has suddenly gotten real old for Germany.
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ronya posted:The video is widely shared, but that's an observation that didn't occur to me: Their current mayor literally can barely put two words in Ukrainian together.
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Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:I would think someone had a talk with Scholz that this poo poo (his previous, extremely reluctant stance) can't go on anymore and then he, being enough of a politician, told himself that if he had to do this, he might as well do it right and make it his thing. Is the idea of an EU military going to get floated again?
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I hate to backseat drive, but honestly, I would have demanded this day one.
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Randarkman posted:Ukraine should 100% try to join the EU if they make it out of this alive. Putin can choke on a bag of dicks. I'm fully aware that we're in 'It's too late for anything else' territory now, but 'what if our international empires and trading blocs were even bigger and more polarised' is only kicking the can down the road, and will likely lead to bigger catastrophes and/or a shitload of collateral damage in the meantime. People like to read this situation like it's a Cold War speed run but I'm picking up more 'eve of WW1' vibes in terms of imperial powers butting heads and getting themselves into messes that can't be cleaned up.
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The Lone Badger posted:Is the idea of an EU military going to get floated again? The European Defence Union is a guarantee.
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boofhead posted:yeah i have spent a large part of the last 5 days going "what the gently caress" about the EU response, particularly germany's. it feels like an unintended shock doctrine where so many things that were previously absolutely off the table are now just.. permissible? Never underestimate the psychological power of invoking a common enemy to unify a people. It's sad, but we remain tribal animals, and there are few social forces more powerful or salient than the division of our world (locally and globally) into simplistic in-groups and out-groups.
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Mr. Smile Face Hat posted:I would think someone had a talk with Scholz that this poo poo (his previous, extremely reluctant stance) can't go on anymore and then he, being enough of a politician, told himself that if he had to do this, he might as well do it right and make it his thing. That's probably the thing that sent a chill down their spines. If this poo poo took place a couple of years ago with Trump in charge Russia could have rolled tanks all the way to Berlin and the US wouldn't lift a finger. It's woken them up to the fact that you've got a belligerent neighbor and an unreliable ally, and suddenly Europe may need to look to it's own defences after 2024 depending on the outcome of the US election.
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Yureina posted:China can eat poo poo. Once Putin's done we can give them our full attention. Once the CCP's done then all this malarkey about authoritarianism being on the rise again will hopefully shut the gently caress up for the rest of our lifetimes. have you heard about a country called America though?
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I hope Germany spends its €100 billion like this: €80 billion on energy independence €19 billion on a coup against Putin €1 billion on a European Defense Union, which is I think is the standard rate for a week long seminar in Davos
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Ola posted:I hope Germany spends its €100 billion like this: I hope they deploy the Maus tank
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Athas posted:I'm guessing that a lot of these donations from smaller NATO countries comprise their entire inventory of that particular item. That was implied when Denmark donated NLAWs as well. It makes sense, as there is little chance these countries will need anti-tank weaponry any time soon, and in fact the inventory might just expire (or be spent in exercises) without being used anyway. In the unnamed EU country I'm from, we promised like 200 anti-tank missiles (but we actually need those for our own increased deployment...), a bunch of fuel (but we don't have enough trucks so getting it there would take months), and we also don't have enough APC's to transport our troops for said deployment. So yeah, we're donating everything we have, and in some cases more than we actually have. Military planners should play some more first person shooters, so they'd start to realize that the amount of ammo you have is really, really critical.
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I can't believe Russians savings are potentially up for grabs as the central bank tries to prevent an economic collapse. State TV can cover up or mislead details of the war, and inflation can be explained away as western aggression, but seeing the rubles in your bank account getting deleted (however worthless they are now) is going to hit very close to home and I would be surprised if there wasn't an uprising after a few days of that.
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Denmark doesn't even have enough live ammo for training. When we deployed a frigate with a detachment of Frogmen to hunt pirates. Soldiers back in denmark couldnt practive marksmanship.
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Charlotte Hornets posted:https://twitter.com/Caucasuswar/status/1498254276711391235?cxt=HHwWhoC9qfOU78opAAAA "So these are my sheep, these are my cows, this is where I keep the hay, this is my Russian surface-to-air missile system, this is where I grow the corn..."
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Randarkman posted:Ukraine should 100% try to join the EU if they make it out of this alive. Putin can choke on a bag of dicks. putin should die by anal pipebomb but adding an active warzone involving a nuclear state to the EU just seems suicidal
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Not verified. Also look at thread  https://twitter.com/AceJaceu/status/1497998439828926470 Erdogan is a piece of poo poo but if these drones clown Russian forces i hate him a little less.
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Answers Me posted:I'm fully aware that we're in 'It's too late for anything else' territory now, but 'what if our international empires and trading blocs were even bigger and more polarised' is only kicking the can down the road, and will likely lead to bigger catastrophes and/or a shitload of collateral damage in the meantime. People like to read this situation like it's a Cold War speed run but I'm picking up more 'eve of WW1' vibes in terms of imperial powers butting heads and getting themselves into messes that can't be cleaned up.
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boofhead posted:yeah i have spent a large part of the last 5 days going "what the gently caress" about the EU response, particularly germany's. it feels like an unintended shock doctrine where so many things that were previously absolutely off the table are now just.. permissible? As far as I can tell the assumption was that Russia fundamentally sees the world through a realist lens the same way EU member nations do, and can thus be treated through the same framework. As that assumption clearly does not hold anymore, there's a radical realignment happening through everything that touches foreign policy. And due to the way Germany is integrated into the EU, everything is foreign policy. The framing of the policy shift as narrated by Baerbock is one of alternativlosigkeit, i.e. that all alternatives have been tried and we're out of options. Hence the realignment of the Bundeswehr as an army for fighting a conventional war with a higher budget being borne out of Sachzwang (another word of the day  , see also: Zugzwang).It should be noted, and it's a recurring theme when you look at lots of EU negotiations, that France and Germany play bad cop/good cop. A lot. The Brexit negotiations were where that dynamic has been the most visible. Trump posted:I hope they deploy the Maus tank Did you know that German Tigers can fly now?
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For an armed force that has claimed yet again to have air superiority, there's been quite a lack of videos of Russian helicopters in the air lately
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To those who are unfamiliar, this is Liz Truss, the UK's Foreign Secretary. She's more focussed on daily photoshoots for her official instagram account than doing actual foreign policy work. She's many levels less competent than Boris, which is a scary thought given the state of things at the moment.
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NTRabbit posted:For an armed force that has claimed yet again to have air superiority, there's been quite a lack of videos of Russian helicopters in the air lately There's been a lack of videos of anything recent, really. Compared to the first couple of days, at least.
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How diffilcult would it be for NATO to 'donate' some Reapers to Ukraine? We are all seeing these almost live satellite photos of convoys just asking to be bombed. Ukraine right now cannot have enough Stingers, NLAWs, and TB2s.
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Budzilla posted:Not verified. Also look at thread I wonder why it's taken so long for footage like this to emerge. Were the units in the first video SAM missile launchers?
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Japan joins the sanction party: https://twitter.com/JPN_PMO/status/1498253866957434882 NTRabbit posted:For an armed force that has claimed yet again to have air superiority, there's been quite a lack of videos of Russian helicopters in the air lately Plenty on the ground though: https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1498257506698727426
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fuctifino posted:To those who are unfamiliar, this is Liz Truss, the UK's Foreign Secretary. She's more focussed on daily photoshoots for her official instagram account than doing actual foreign policy work. She's many levels less competent than Boris, which is a scary thought given the state of things at the moment. Nice spaceballs cosplay. Is there any confirmation if those rumored peace talks have started?
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fuctifino posted:To those who are unfamiliar, this is Liz Truss, the UK's Foreign Secretary. She's more focussed on daily photoshoots for her official instagram account than doing actual foreign policy work. She's many levels less competent than Boris, which is a scary thought given the state of things at the moment. Lmao, can't hold a candle to Tactical Baerbock 
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Upgrade posted:It makes sense to have more pilots than planes. Look at commercial airplanes, the limitation on flying time is human tolerance, not airframes. Thats why you have multiple crews swapping in and out to maximize flight time. It tends to not work like that for military aviation. Those machines need a lot of maintenance to fly compared to airliners because they are being taken to the limits all the time during war. Think of formula cars vs. buses.
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selfish question: did russia or japan block eachothers airlines yet? my wife has to fly home, i already told her to consider rebooking through the middle east to avoid russia
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Dick Ripple posted:How diffilcult would it be for NATO to 'donate' some Reapers to Ukraine? We are all seeing these almost live satellite photos of convoys just asking to be bombed. Ukraine right now cannot have enough Stingers, NLAWs, and TB2s. They've already given Ukraine more fighters, I'm sure drones are ok assuming the Ukrainians can be trained to use them quick enough. Given flying a drone looks for all the world like MS Flight Simulator or something I'm sure it wouldn't take long for them to get the hang of it and there's no shortage of targets to practice on.
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Trump posted:I hope they deploy the Maus tank They must not stop until the Ratte is their MBT!
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theghostpt posted:Nice spaceballs cosplay. Norwegian TV just showed footage of them sitting down at the table, so probably right about now
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Shibawanko posted:selfish question: did russia or japan block eachothers airlines yet? my wife has to fly home, i already told her to consider rebooking through the middle east to avoid russia There's a non-zero chance that Russians will "accidentally" shoot down a passenger airliner again so maybe do that regardless.
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Dick Ripple posted:How diffilcult would it be for NATO to 'donate' some Reapers to Ukraine? We are all seeing these almost live satellite photos of convoys just asking to be bombed. Ukraine right now cannot have enough Stingers, NLAWs, and TB2s. I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s happening already or will soon. I am pretty sure we won’t get every single asset or weapon type sent there.
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