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Madurai posted:Regarding Russian vehicle markings: I saw this explanation offered, and have no idea as to its veracity Imma quote myself Xakura posted:Stolen from S2 Underground:
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Seeing claims that the peace summit at the Belarusian border have ended and both sides are withdrawing to 'consult' with their home governments. Russia's peace demands are reportedly: 1. The Crimea be officially recognized as part of Russia. 2. Ukraine pledge to not join any any organizations or sign any treaties involving economic or military commitments with Western powers.
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Cythereal posted:Seeing claims that the peace summit at the Belarusian border have ended and both sides are withdrawing to 'consult' with their home governments. Well Ukraine applied to join the EU today soooo.
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Feb 28, 2022 18:14
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Milo and POTUS posted:Weren't the skies in the east full of drones after 2014, for both sides even. Why do they seem to be making so little use of them effective anti drone technology might be part of it.
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Feb 28, 2022 18:15
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That Works posted:Talk like that will get him forums banned! Oh my god I thought the same thing
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So it was about as serious as anyone expected and just another bullshit fig leaf. "We tried for the peace where Ukraine gives up and we get whatever we want but they just want to threaten us with more war, it's all their fault!"
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grassy gnoll posted:Even conscripts should know the Buk doesn't stop here. 
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Cythereal posted:Seeing claims that the peace summit at the Belarusian border have ended and both sides are withdrawing to 'consult' with their home governments. After I heard this I think I've figured it out. Putin has gone full Trump. "The TV says we're doing fine in Ukraine and now you idiots from the Ministry of Defense come in here and tell me we're not?"
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Feb 28, 2022 18:37
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The difference is that Trump never really followed through on anything that didn’t involve speeches and adoration of crowds. It’s probably why prosecutors are having trouble finding any actual crimes.
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Feb 28, 2022 18:38
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Feb 28, 2022 18:38
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This far in and they’ve barely got control of any major cities? Even if they win, they couldn’t do it again elsewhere anytime soon.
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Feb 28, 2022 18:41
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Cythereal posted:Seeing claims that the peace summit at the Belarusian border have ended and both sides are withdrawing to 'consult' with their home governments. I mean at this point what kind of idiot would trust russia of anything. They already outright broke the promise of maintaining ukrainian soverignity. In the short while a lot of people are gonna die, however; in the long run as far as I can tell this is the first time in a long while the international community is willing to do more than tut tut russian aggression. I fear a cessation of hostilities would end up with everyone wiping the board clean and russia tries again in a few years except this time with proper planning and a more unwilling to do anything about it international community.
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Feb 28, 2022 18:45
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FIFA has banned Russia from everything. https://twitter.com/BrigidinBK/status/1498306030903742465
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Feb 28, 2022 18:55
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So this could make things interesting if verified..... taken from the D&D thread.Shes Not Impressed posted:https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1498346782656454656?s=20&t=rF5gInV1KZXmqnEIfC4dDw William Bear posted:Google translate of the attached tweet thread:
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Feb 28, 2022 18:56
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Whoa! So far I was under the impression Israel has been responding similar to China in not condemning the invasion but also not helping Russia. That could change fast if their citizens are being attacked by Russia.
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https://twitter.com/fpwellman/status/1498356747630780418?s=21 I say this is a joke, but I swear a couple of national guard detachment could gently caress the poo poo out of the Russians now.
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Honestly if they’re using single freqs for hours at a time they’ve already been identified by nerds browsing for web SDRs. If actual intel assets haven’t tagged those already, they need more help than that paper is going to give them.
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Feb 28, 2022 19:07
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Without control of the skys/and in the era of drones/ IED's from the hostile populace. Yet these guys STILL really seem to like to mill around clumped in big groups a lot.
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Feb 28, 2022 19:10
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Worrying this wasn't the Russians but Azov - but they probably have better things to do right now, and creating such a narrative would be precisely what Russian saboteurs might have been ordered to do, to galvanize support against the "Nazis". Just stating the obvious, I guess.
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Hannibal Rex posted:Worrying this wasn't the Russians but Azov - but they probably have better things to do right now, and creating such a narrative would be precisely what Russian saboteurs might have been ordered to do, to galvanize support against the "Nazis". Just stating the obvious, I guess. Previous reporting from her indicated the Russians were responsible, but that has not been substantiated. We're stuck waiting for more info. I don't think that Ukrainians are setting up false flags. What's more likely is that Russia fired on people trying to flee the city.
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this seems really bad israel isn't known for allowing things like this to go unpunished, are they?
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Icon Of Sin posted:This far in and they’ve barely got control of any major cities? Even if they win, they couldn’t do it again elsewhere anytime soon. I wonder if South Ossetia and Chechen nationalists are getting any ideas.
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RFC2324 posted:this seems really bad https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/1498362123692515334
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Stultus Maximus posted:I wonder if South Ossetia and Chechen nationalists are getting any ideas. Especially if a bunch of Chechen loyalists/enforcers got smoked, as reported?
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Hannibal Rex posted:Worrying this wasn't the Russians but Azov - but they probably have better things to do right now, and creating such a narrative would be precisely what Russian saboteurs might have been ordered to do, to galvanize support against the "Nazis". Just stating the obvious, I guess. Azov is based in Mariupol in the easr aren't they? Though they might have moved to the west. Even if it wasn't Azov, it's a bit worrying that there is a Russian presence in southwest Ukraine
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Stultus Maximus posted:I wonder if South Ossetia and Chechen nationalists are getting any ideas. Arrath posted:Especially if a bunch of Chechen loyalists/enforcers got smoked, as reported? You know, except for Russia having nukes and all.
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Quick question to those with military experience: Are there special rules for just putting out indirect fire into an urban area? Say general prohibitions on indiscriminate shelling of a major urban center?
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RFC2324 posted:this seems really bad Israel isn't know for letting things like that go unpunished when it's "perpetrated" by Palestinians or Iranians or other ME adversaries. But they're not going to assassinate any Russians in response, at most they will join the sanctions regime. A fairly sizable part of their population has Russian roots, and Israel has historically profited from having better relations with the Soviet Union/Russia than it's status as a close US ally would indicate.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Quick question to those with military experience: Are there special rules for just putting out indirect fire into an urban area? Say general prohibitions on indiscriminate shelling of a major urban center? Absolutely. We kept a lawyer on hand within our Combat Operations Center to help with snap decisions of whether a strike from artillery or close air support was within the bounds of the Rules of Engagement and the Law of War. Not to say the US got that poo poo right all the time but the effort was there not to indiscriminately kill non combatants.
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Torrannor posted:Israel isn't know for letting things like that go unpunished when it's "perpetrated" by Palestinians or Iranians or other ME adversaries. But they're not going to assassinate any Russians in response, at most they will join the sanctions regime. A fairly sizable part of their population has Russian roots, and Israel has historically profited from having better relations with the Soviet Union/Russia than it's status as a close US ally would indicate. Not to speak out of line, but I'm pretty sure we are just the piggy bank to Israel.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Quick question to those with military experience: Are there special rules for just putting out indirect fire into an urban area? Say general prohibitions on indiscriminate shelling of a major urban center? In general, yes. Will Putin adhere to those norms? Hasn't yet! Will his indiscriminate shelling of civilians change much? Unfortunately not. We are happy to look the other way for some reason whenever Russia likes to play war crimes. Everyone is afraid of engaging with the guy who has nukes. People are freaking out just thinking about that possibility. Right now, we are content to continue along the proxy war route it seems. Not gonna lie, it seems rather effective at turning Russian equipment into scrap. Edit: to support my claims, Geneva Conventions say artillery is OK, but not when it isn't "targeted" and not when used "indiscriminately" . Basically, you need a "military reason" to destroy a city block of apartments. Relevant info/site: https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/customary-ihl/eng/docindex/v2_rul_rule71 ASAPI fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Feb 28, 2022 |
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Hekk posted:Absolutely. We kept a lawyer on hand within our Combat Operations Center to help with snap decisions of whether a strike from artillery or close air support was within the bounds of the Rules of Engagement and the Law of War. That’s actually really good to know and highlights just one of the major differences in forces. I just couldn’t imagine US artillery say just shooting poo poo randomly in the Baghdad with 155mm artillery. Now someone loving up and doing it, yes, but not as a matter of policy by anyone.
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This map: is from here: https://liveuamap.com/ There's fighting along the Moldova/Ukraine border that is confirmed by the Israeli death. He wasn't killed outside of Kyiv. He was killed at the border.
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not combat news but hilarious owning of an idiot who works for RT America https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPR/status/1498366946852716553
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Marshal Prolapse posted:That’s actually really good to know and highlights just one of the major differences in forces. I just couldn’t imagine US artillery say just shooting poo poo randomly in the Baghdad with 155mm artillery. Now someone loving up and doing it, yes, but not as a matter of policy by anyone. But in say Fallujah where the majority of civilians have either evacuated or have picked up arms and are now combatants entire sections of the city were destroyed. That’s one of the problems with arming your civilians - you’ve made the entire city a “legal” target. Take a pot shot from your apartment? Shot, over.
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Most Russian Israelis fled to Israel due to Russian persecution of Jews and hate Russia. Same with Russian Jewish Americans. There's a common joke that "In Russia, you're Jewish. In America, you're Russian."
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Quick question to those with military experience: Are there special rules for just putting out indirect fire into an urban area? Say general prohibitions on indiscriminate shelling of a major urban center? Yes, and no. Treaties and accords make the rules. It's up to lower level dudes to decide to follow them or not. It also depends on the theater, location, and branch/country.
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Mr. Nice! posted:
Pretty sure that's confusion and border guards being jumpy. The 1000 troops in Transnistria is not going to try to invade Ukraine.
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