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Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

I have a whole collection of these damned things, maybe 5% of which have ever seen play. It's a problem.

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That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Most games I buy I'd like to play, but I also buy quite a bit of stuff that I just want to own as a curiosity with no expectation or desire to play. In fact a significant proportion of my "historical artifact" purchases are things I would outright refuse any opportunity to play.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

That Old Tree posted:

Most games I buy I'd like to play, but I also buy quite a bit of stuff that I just want to own as a curiosity with no expectation or desire to play. In fact a significant proportion of my "historical artifact" purchases are things I would outright refuse any opportunity to play.

What "historical artifacts" have you collected?

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

That Old Tree posted:

Most games I buy I'd like to play, but I also buy quite a bit of stuff that I just want to own as a curiosity with no expectation or desire to play. In fact a significant proportion of my "historical artifact" purchases are things I would outright refuse any opportunity to play.

There are definitely some here that fit that mold, although I'd probably give Synnibarr a spin if anyone wanted to. deadEarth is definitely in the "no way I'd play this, no way in hell" pile, though, among others.

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.

redleader posted:

do y'all ever buy physical rpg rulebooks just to own and read, with no expectations of ever playing that particular game?

Yes, but usually I have a vain hope of getting to run/play them one day.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
I definitely have some books I'd be hard-pressed to play, notably Exalted 2e and d20 Modern. But I bought both of those when they were contemporary as things I did mean to play and did for a little bit, so I never bought them just to read. I just bought a copy of Basic Fantasy RPG POD that I doubt I'll ever run, but I'm buying it to steal stuff from to hack into my own OSR homebrew, so it's STILL not just something to read.

Arivia fucked around with this message at 03:04 on Mar 1, 2022

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Antivehicular posted:

There are definitely some here that fit that mold, although I'd probably give Synnibarr a spin if anyone wanted to. deadEarth is definitely in the "no way I'd play this, no way in hell" pile, though, among others.

The starter module for that was just some insane poo poo. Like the quest giver had the party followed by the Best Sniper in the World, who then dug 100 meter trenches round the party and set them on fire, for some reason? Just hilarious.

Character creation was entertaining, though.

Foolster41
Aug 2, 2013

"It's a non-speaking role"
I bought the fantasy flight spellinger book (well long after it's initial run), intending to run it, but realizing in 2016 or so I wasn't going to be getting interest in players for 3.5 players used some of the setting from the book for a 13th age game I reskinned (played right here actually), also taking lore stuff from Deadlands lore and modules as well

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


i've bought a pretty large percentage of my games as bundles, including possibly my top two games of all time (DITV and Firebrands)

this means that my method for rpg purchases is to buy like 50 on some ridiculous sale and then sift through them and play a couple over the course of a few years

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Holy poo poo Gareth hanrahan reviewed it

quote:

Chapter 6: Recovery Mission (Sample Adventure) said:
History
About a week ago Hagi Christ lost a very important shipment. Four days ago he sent out a rescue team of five men. The team located the shipment and took off with it. They found the shipment in a small town just west of New Frankfurt. Intel indicates that the rescue team is transporting the cargo via truck to Paris. It is unknown where they intend to go from there.

Mission
Hagi has assembled you to go after the rescue team and dispose of them. Then recover the cargo and bring it back to him. To ensure that you are successful, he has made you aware that he has a secondary team of snipers watching you. They will aid you if you are in need and kill you if you betray him.

Reward
Should your mission be successful, each member of the team will be rewarded with a 1,000 $tandard credit at any of Hagi's trade depots, pubs, and casino's in New Frankfurt. Each member of the team is also granted $500 in credit up front to equip themselves for the mission.

NPCs
The group may encounter many NPC's during this mission and ask them questions as to the whereabouts of the original team. The following list are the NPCs which are integral to the mission.

Hagi Christ
A legend. He is the "boss" in this particular mission. For more information about Hagi check out his bio in Legends.​
four snipers
Hagi will have four very talented snipers watching the group the entire mission. These snipers formally worked for the Power and have all the training they need to stay hidden and be able to cap a target at 1000 yards, through the brush, in a stiff breeze.​
John Smith
One of the original rescue team members. He is dangerous with dueling handguns and has a quiet arrogance about himself. He is also quite a tracker.​
Trinity
The only driver in the group and also the only woman. She is an excellent driver, but has a tendency to fall asleep at the wheel due to her Narcolepsy.​
Mike Walker
Good with his hands as a construction worker and a jury rigger. He also has a number of years training in the martial arts.​
Suk Rugwad
His talents lie in the interpersonal, though he can also stand his own in a hand to hand brawl. Suk is also very intelligent and reads whatever and whenever he can. Suk is also a religious fanatic and has spoken many times of his church.​
Shooter Wheaton
Has some mechanical skills, and is very good with a rifle. Shooter has been known to be a bit predjudous against mutos.​
Game Master Background Info
The original rescue team is not incredibly talented, but can be quite resourceful. Don't use this mission for battle hardened veterans. Likewise it is probably not a mission for characters that are just starting out. It will be quite hazardous to their health. Especially if they spend any time in Paris.

The original rescue team will get to a mountain pass just outside of Paris and will break an axle. They will jury rig the drive shaft into an axle in an attempt to push the cargo the rest of the way. Unfortunately they will lose control of the truck as they go down the mountain and will destroy it. They will bury the cargo a few hundred feet off the trail/road and will continue on to Paris.

Paris is a complete wasteland. It is heavily radiated and is home to the world’s largest population of Troggs (see the Spawning Bed Database for more information). Gern Blythe, a researcher, is really the only person that resides in Paris. He is protected by the Troggs but acts as though he has barricaded himself in to keep them away. He maintains a private library of several hundred thousand books and acts as a shaman to the Trogg.

The cargo that Hagi is wants so desperately is a crate about 12 feet long, four feet high, and five feet wide. It weighs about three quarters of a ton or 1,500 lbs. The crate contains a fully functional, though powered down Xavier X-11 warbot. If anyone were to look inside the crate, they would most likely not even know what the Xavier is.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.
https://twitter.com/DudesnDiceDavao/status/1498288817400213510?s=20&t=TGiD7RFMxxZiuKSNYUzYuQ

Yo, look: someone's actual playing my game. Holy poo poo! This is friggin awesome.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
I have mostly stopped buying hard copies of anything and have sold off/given away 99% of my board games/RPGs/DVDs/paperbacks (some stuff, like my original Brown Box D&D, I'm never getting rid of) because I do all my gaming online these days and have for the last six years or so.

Whoever brought up The Troubleshooters...thank you. My dad was a history professor and an expert on French History of Science in particular so he did a lot of research in Paris at the Bibliotheque Nationale for his books/lectures/etc. Whenever he went over their in the 60s and 70s he would bring back bande dessinee (the Belgo-Franco comic books) for my sister and me...Yoko Tsuno, Tintin, Spirou, Blake and Mortimer, all those kinds...and he had to get the French ones, which is why I read excellent French and can't speak it worth a poo poo.

The art and writing style of The Troubleshooters brought back so many memories of my dad, and from what I can tell it is going to be a blast to run.

Humbug Scoolbus fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Mar 1, 2022

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


Arivia posted:

What "historical artifacts" have you collected?

The most worthy of that term is a handful of D&D/AD&D 1e books, thanks to my dad. It's stuff he sent me fairly recently that I haven't spreadsheeted yet, but it's a 1e AD&D core set and some miscellaneous adventure and campaign/setting modules.

I've got a box full of Dragon Dice!

I've got some old Forgotten Realms stuff, I think the original box and maybe a campaign book of some kind, plus some 3e stuff.

I've got like 90% of every non-mini games produced by ICE before the 2000s, but we're getting far into "stuff I started buying and playing when it was new and just kept collecting as it faded into history."

Similarly my White Wolf and WEG books are things that I owned and played a lot of back in the day, got rid of for one reason or another as a foolish youngster, and have since been slowly re-collecting just to have.

Nobilis 1e and 2e. I might count 3e and Legends of the Wulin too just because of their hosed up history, even if it is fairly recent.

I consider TOR 1e a brand new historical artifact, as it was a great and interesting line that is likely doomed to go into the West thanks to being a licensed property with a new edition under a new company. Of course I definitely bought it with the expectation of playing it, which I haven't done nearly enough of.

One of the most obscure things I have is a little pamphlet party game called Alien Summit, which has some interesting ideas marred by what appears to be a lack of playtesting and what is definitely a lack of editing. It's from the 2000's and thanks John Wick for his encouragement IIRC. I reviewed it in one or two posts in FATAL & Friends a while ago.

I'm sure I'm forgetting something interesting. Everything is still in boxes since moving and I've had boxes full of old stuff I haven't spreadsheeted since before the move. My old ICE poster maps of Middle-Earth are still on the walls at my mother's.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

I've got sealed boxes of Lawnmower Man RPG miniatures, signed carded Rifts minis, especially nice copies of the Dallas and Bullwinkle & Rocky RPGs, just a bunch of weird stuff.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

This conversation is reminding me that I own three copies of World Tree, since they started showing up at the used bookstore and I bought them "to give to people who might be interested."

I should really just do an F&F for that drat thing already, although iirc there aren't PDFs available, and that's a huge issue.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Antivehicular posted:

This conversation is reminding me that I own three copies of World Tree, since they started showing up at the used bookstore and I bought them "to give to people who might be interested."

I should really just do an F&F for that drat thing already, although iirc there aren't PDFs available, and that's a huge issue.

Oh yeah, I need to get a copy of that. I think I had a line to the authors or something, need to remember to follow up.

Everything Counts
Oct 10, 2012

Don't "shhh!" me, you rich bastard!

theironjef posted:

I've got sealed boxes of Lawnmower Man RPG miniatures,

Whoa whoa whoa... please talk a bit about this one.

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

So Leading Edge Games (Phoenix Command) had a few movie licensed RPGs in the 90s, among which was an extremely weird Lawnmower Man one. As you can probably expect from the Phoenix Command people, the game isn't really a horror thing themed around fear of the future of VR, but like a paramilitary squad battle thing, set a few years after the events of the movie. Despite these facts, they released a pair of boxes of miniatures to go with the game (the game isn't a minis game) which feature a bunch of characters that died or heavily changed in the film, like Marnie, Jobe (and Cyberjobe), that chimp from the beginning, and even a tiny Jobe's lawnmower. And I have both boxes, plus the game.

theironjef fucked around with this message at 05:51 on Mar 1, 2022

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

theironjef posted:

So Leading Edge Games (Phoenix Command) had a few movie licensed RPGs in the 90s, among which was an extremely weird Lawnmower Man one. As you can probably expect from the Phoenix Command people, the game isn't really a horror thing themed around fear of the future of VR, but like a paramilitary squad battle thing, set a few years after the events of the movie. Despite these facts, they released a pair of boxes of miniatures to go with the game (the game isn't a minis game) which feature a bunch of characters that died or heavily changed in the film, like Marnie, Jobe (not Cyberjobe), that chimp from the beginning, and even a tiny Jobe's lawnmower. And I have both boxes, plus the game.
IIRC there were similar licensed property RPG + minis sets for Aliens and Bram Stoker's Dracula (the Gary Oldman/Winona Ryder/Keanu Reeves film) from Leading Edge.

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben
I had totally forgotten how big a thing Lawnmower Man was at the time until I listened to that review. I never knew the film was nothing to do with the book either. Seems like a textbook example of something it’s nearly impossible to make an RPG about.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011
Give me all your old FR books you're never gonna use people. I promise they are going to a good home.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

Don't do it -- dispose of old Forgotten Realms material at designated locations at clinics and pharmacies, where it will be safely recycled without entering the water supply

That Old Tree
Jun 24, 2012

nah


My friend who recently sold off most of his collection once owned three copies of the Titanic board game, one or two white box and one brown box OD&D's, and all or nearly all of the Pacesetter and Mayfair Chills. He bought the Titanics at the same GenCon auction he bought 3/4 of the HeroQuest sets that went up. Amusingly when we got back to the hotel to check everything out, the most-damaged HQ box was pristine, unpunched inside.

That's also the GenCon where I stalemated a game of Munchkin and after I once again deleveled myself before legit winning after 5ish hours, I won by default because everyone else wanted to go to bed. We never played Munchkin again, so everything went to plan.

Arivia posted:

Give me all your old FR books you're never gonna use people. I promise they are going to a good home.

Is there any FR stuff you don't already have at least one copy of?

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



theironjef posted:

I've got sealed boxes of Lawnmower Man RPG miniatures, signed carded Rifts minis, especially nice copies of the Dallas and Bullwinkle & Rocky RPGs, just a bunch of weird stuff.

Serious question : can you write that off on your taxes or anything?

LatwPIAT
Jun 6, 2011

FMguru posted:

IIRC there were similar licensed property RPG + minis sets for Aliens and Bram Stoker's Dracula (the Gary Oldman/Winona Ryder/Keanu Reeves film) from Leading Edge.

LEG's Aliens boardgame was a massive success for the company and convinced them that the path to success was licensing, leading to the Aliens Adventure Game, Bram Stoker's Dracula RPG, and The Lawnmowner Man RPG. They also released further board games, including the Bram Stoker's Dracula Board Game, the Army of Darkness Board Game, and Terminator 2: Year of Darkness. There were plans for a Terminator 2: Judgement Day Board Game, a Terminator 2 RPG, and an Army of Darkness RPG, but these never materialized as the company closed doors circa 1993-1994.

The problem with the licenses were that they weren't cheap and they were trying to make multiple games for Bram Stoker's Dracula, Lawnmower Man, Army of Darkness, and Terminator 2 in 1993 alone, as well as minis and pins for these and supplements for Phoenix Command and Living Steel, which must have been absolute murder for a small operation.

Arivia
Mar 17, 2011

That Old Tree posted:

Is there any FR stuff you don't already have at least one copy of?

Yes, plenty. If you mean don't have a digital copy of either, then the list is much smaller but there's still some.

e: the physical game books are about 3 squares of a kallax bookshelf, single shelved. add about the same amount for novels and other odds and ends.

Arivia fucked around with this message at 08:09 on Mar 1, 2022

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Antivehicular posted:

There are definitely some here that fit that mold, although I'd probably give Synnibarr a spin if anyone wanted to. deadEarth is definitely in the "no way I'd play this, no way in hell" pile, though, among others.

I think my only "no way in hell" that I own is the Wraeththu RPG I bought to review.

I do want to play SenZar some day if I can track down the monster supplement and get that OCR'd as well, because otherwise there's a hell of a lot of legwork missing.

theironjef posted:

I've got sealed boxes of Lawnmower Man RPG miniatures,

...like, an RPG based off the hilariously terrible movie?

PurpleXVI fucked around with this message at 12:21 on Mar 1, 2022

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

Could be from the King short story which has nothing to do with the movie at all and is instead about a man being killed by a Satyr he hired to mow his lawn.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

PurpleXVI posted:

I do want to play SenZar some day if I can track down the monster supplement and get that OCR'd as well, because otherwise there's a hell of a lot of legwork missing.

I own SenZar and would definitely give it a shot! It seems like that system might actually be playable and fun, even if the fluff is mostly bad and tedious. (As opposed to Synnibarr, which has unplayable rules but some wild fluff -- not good, but instantly inspirational and bizarre. I highly recommend the Synnibarr Complete Adventurer's Guide for absolutely bizarro fluff about all of the many, many races in the setting. Did you know that a particular tribe of cougar-centaurs are the only growers of marijuana in the world? :catdrugs:)

NGDBSS
Dec 30, 2009






PurpleXVI posted:

I think my only "no way in hell" that I own is the Wraeththu RPG I bought to review.

I do want to play SenZar some day if I can track down the monster supplement and get that OCR'd as well, because otherwise there's a hell of a lot of legwork missing.

...like, an RPG based off the hilariously terrible movie?
"Based off" is a rather loose phrase, but yes.

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack

Antivehicular posted:

I own SenZar and would definitely give it a shot! It seems like that system might actually be playable and fun, even if the fluff is mostly bad and tedious. (As opposed to Synnibarr, which has unplayable rules but some wild fluff -- not good, but instantly inspirational and bizarre. I highly recommend the Synnibarr Complete Adventurer's Guide for absolutely bizarro fluff about all of the many, many races in the setting. Did you know that a particular tribe of cougar-centaurs are the only growers of marijuana in the world? :catdrugs:)

Yeah, I feel like a lot of SenZar's infamy as one of the "Worst RPGs Ever" was undeserved and was really more the result of a backlash within the RPG community against "Powergamers" and "Munchkins". SenZar is, at its base, rock stupid and highly derivative, but it has a mostly functional game underneath, the problem is that it came out at a time where there was this weird tension between oldschool RPG fans who were convinced that the only true RPG gaming was playing as a shitfarmer who was constantly in danger of dying and a newer influx of players who looked at the progression track of existing RPGs and asked "Why can't we just get cool powers and do cool poo poo from the start?". SenZar was pretty much built on combining superhero comics with traditional fantasy and was thus mechanically designed that starting characters were still pretty powerful and this conceit apparently rubbed a lot of gamers of the time the wrong way?

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

theironjef posted:

I've got sealed boxes of Lawnmower Man RPG miniatures, signed carded Rifts minis, especially nice copies of the Dallas and Bullwinkle & Rocky RPGs, just a bunch of weird stuff.

Rocky and Bullw... okay, sure.

Humbug Scoolbus
Apr 25, 2008

The scarlet letter was her passport into regions where other women dared not tread. Shame, Despair, Solitude! These had been her teachers, stern and wild ones, and they had made her strong, but taught her much amiss.
Clapping Larry
The LEG Aliens game campaign I played in was a lot of fun. The rules are a very very streamlined version of the Phoenix Command system so combats can actually play out in a reasonable enough timeframe and there was some pretty neat world/setting building.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

KingKalamari posted:

Yeah, I feel like a lot of SenZar's infamy as one of the "Worst RPGs Ever" was undeserved and was really more the result of a backlash within the RPG community against "Powergamers" and "Munchkins". SenZar is, at its base, rock stupid and highly derivative, but it has a mostly functional game underneath, the problem is that it came out at a time where there was this weird tension between oldschool RPG fans who were convinced that the only true RPG gaming was playing as a shitfarmer who was constantly in danger of dying and a newer influx of players who looked at the progression track of existing RPGs and asked "Why can't we just get cool powers and do cool poo poo from the start?". SenZar was pretty much built on combining superhero comics with traditional fantasy and was thus mechanically designed that starting characters were still pretty powerful and this conceit apparently rubbed a lot of gamers of the time the wrong way?

SenZar was also a relatively early, but hardly the first, adopter of the idea of giving players fate/hero/whatever points to spend on guaranteeing rolls, averting failures, etc. to give them a bit more narrative control over what happened rather than letting everything be up to the dice.

I seem to remember being pleasantly charmed and surprised by parts of it when I read it, it honestly felt like it had a... positive attitude? Like it definitely wanted players to have fun and control.

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸

PurpleXVI posted:

Like it definitely wanted players to have fun and control.
Disgusting.

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually
SenZar's infamy has mostly to do with the spectacularly incompetent astroturfing campaign they ran on the old rec.games.frp USENET groups to big up their game. Strip that away, and the game comes across as a bunch of kids who spent too much time staring at Iron Maiden album covers trying to make the ULTIMATE TOTALLY BADASS game. Essentially harmless, and kind of adorable.

I give it credit for trying to make the characters bigger-than-life with more kickass powers (I vaguely recall the mission statement of the game was to the be tabletop equivalent of playing DOOM in "God Mode"), which was very much the opposite of most fantasy heartbreakers (which were mostly about making things more "realistic", i.e. more annoying and limiting and less fun).

theironjef
Aug 11, 2009

The archmage of unexpected stinks.

Dawgstar posted:

Rocky and Bullw... okay, sure.



It's adorable, it's basically a birthday party table game. There's a big spinner, cards for every character that include description and roleplaying advice and occasionally some ability, and these dirt-cheap hand puppets for everyone from the show.

PurpleXVI posted:

...like, an RPG based off the hilariously terrible movie?



Xiahou Dun posted:

Serious question : can you write that off on your taxes or anything?

Maybe but I don't generally accumulate enough purchases in a year to bother (most of this stuff fans send in). I used to be able to write off a bunch of home office expenses(mics, laptops, a portion of our power bill), but the Trump tax era put a damper on that.

theironjef fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Mar 1, 2022

ToxicFrog
Apr 26, 2008


Antivehicular posted:

This conversation is reminding me that I own three copies of World Tree, since they started showing up at the used bookstore and I bought them "to give to people who might be interested."

I should really just do an F&F for that drat thing already, although iirc there aren't PDFs available, and that's a huge issue.

I don't think there are, no -- A Marriage of Insects and all four volumes of Sythyry's Journal are available digitally, and you can reverse engineer a bunch of the setting and mechanics from those, but it looks like the original sourcebook is hardcopy only.

Dawgstar
Jul 15, 2017

theironjef posted:



It's adorable, it's basically a birthday party table game. There's a big spinner, cards for every character that include description and roleplaying advice and occasionally some ability, and these dirt-cheap hand puppets for everyone from the show.

Oh, I didn't disbelieve you or anything.

I did actually see the Lawnmower Man RPG in the wild at a game store in Charleston, South Carolina with a giant crease on the cover and marked down to like three bucks.

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DalaranJ
Apr 15, 2008

Yosuke will now die for you.

Virtual Reality roleplaying game. Huh, is this what they mean when they say metaverse?

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