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BrotherJayne posted:Actually, zero casualties per the news Wounded are casualties. Every take you've had here has been ghoulish and foolish, if you're not apologizing for poo poo you might want to take a minute to do some self reflection. It does not matter if there was an Azov Battalion recruiting tent, they launched a missile at an administrative building. There wasn't an Azov Battalion recruiting tent, the evidence there was one is a digital flier posted by an absolutely wildly biased twitter account that is uncritically repeating any pro-Russian information it sees. Even they said there were wounded. Tom Clancy is Dead fucked around with this message at 08:43 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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dominoeffect posted:Can you find that social media post they use as proof that this is an azov tent? Because they don't link to it and I'm a bit suspicious. You don't trust a screenshot that's been cropped to obscure what group it was posted in, who posted it and when it was posted? Next thing you know you'll be talking about inspect element.
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BrotherJayne posted:You referenced "the only people hit would be civilians" or some such Jesus loving christ.
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dominoeffect posted:Can you find that social media post they use as proof that this is an azov tent? Because they don't link to it and I'm a bit suspicious.
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BrotherJayne posted:Actually, zero casualties per the news *Dropping a ballistic missile block buster on top of a busy road full of traffic and the town hall* Zero casualties! Surgical strike, baby! The libs have been owned!
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Reposting a propaganda account to own the libs
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BrotherJayne posted:You referenced "the only people hit would be civilians" or some such gently caress off you loving LARPer (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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BrotherJayne posted:You referenced "the only people hit would be civilians" or some such How would "Actually, zero casualties" respond to that at all? BrotherJayne posted:Interpret it however you must to not feel attacked o7 
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BrotherJayne posted:You referenced "the only people hit would be civilians" or some such Jesus Christ dude.
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Mar 1, 2022 08:41
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I don't remember where I read it, I think a diplomat maybe, said that escalation can be an off-ramp to de-escalation because everyone gets scared and it provides cover for returning to a calmer state. Brinkmanship politics with a purpose I hadn't ever considered. But also batshit crazy.
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Also, it hit the building, not the tent. Ten seconds of search. https://twitter.com/ConflictsWW/status/1498563930053955585?s=20&t=hoXmMr22yJLPHxn8Ugw77w bird cooch fucked around with this message at 08:49 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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I feel like the implicit angle here is 'Putin's missile strike was aiming at a tent that might have at some point contained Azovs and was therefore ok and justified,' although from here I don't know where the thread is.
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BrotherJayne posted:You referenced "the only people hit would be civilians" or some such No civilian casualties (or so we hope) by sheer luck. I understand getting defensive but you must realize that "it's totally fine for Russia to shoot missiles at civilian buildings if (through luck rather than any effort on their part) nobody gets hurt" is not a good take.
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I think people are reading a bit too much in to that guy’s posts. From where I’m reading he thought it was an Azov tent and nobody was killed but wasn’t saying it was good it was hit. Maybe he could word it better, but don’t think he was trying to have a pop.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:No civilian casualties (or so we hope) by sheer luck. I understand getting defensive but you must realize that "it's totally fine for Russia to shoot missiles at civilian buildings if (through luck rather than any effort on their part) nobody gets hurt" is not a good take. Why are you accepting their statement that there were no casualties as if it's true? Even their own source says there were casualties, after initially denying them.
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Tom Clancy is Dead posted:Why are you accepting their statement that there were no casualties as if it's true? Even their own source says there were casualties, after initially denying them. I'm trying to point out how even the most charitable reading of the incident is still not good. Apologies if that wasn't clear.
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bustin keaton posted:I think people are reading a bit too much in to that guy’s posts. From where I’m reading he thought it was an Azov tent and nobody was killed but wasn’t saying it was good it was hit. Maybe he could word it better, but don’t think he was trying to have a pop. Respectfully disagree, this is the perfect way to spread misinformation. Isn't there a rule for this thread to at least try to post from reputable accounts and if not then do some light background investigation before posting wild claims like that?
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bustin keaton posted:I think people are reading a bit too much in to that guy’s posts. From where I’m reading he thought it was an Azov tent and nobody was killed but wasn’t saying it was good it was hit. Maybe he could word it better, but don’t think he was trying to have a pop. Indeed I was not, just infodumping crap I was seeing on Twitter adjacent to the occurrence. There is no excuse for the flagrant violation of sovereignty involved in the entire loving invasion, in my opinion, and it was a drat strange place for a missile strike.
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BrotherJayne posted:Indeed I was not, just infodumping crap I was seeing on Twitter adjacent to the occurrence. It's perfectly natural if your goal is to sow terror and crush a country's civil institutions. Nice red text, btw.
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dominoeffect posted:Respectfully disagree, this is the perfect way to spread misinformation. Isn't there a rule for this thread to at least try to post from reputable accounts and if not then do some light background investigation before posting wild claims like that? You've got to be kidding, half the media posts in here are refuted inside of 6 hours, a trend that seems to hold true on all other platform as well I will cease posting cuz getting people riled sucks, but that sure as heck wasn't my intent.
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HolHorsejob posted:It's perfectly natural if your goal is to sow terror and crush a country's civil institutions. Ooo nice, that's a first!
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BrotherJayne posted:Indeed I was not, just infodumping crap I was seeing on Twitter adjacent to the occurrence. please stop filling the thread with putinist propaganda and making excuses for posting it, this is one of the best places on the internet to keep on top of things and your posting is making GBS threads the place up
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BrotherJayne posted:Indeed I was not, just infodumping crap I was seeing on Twitter adjacent to the occurrence. Might have a lot more to do with your feed. I'm looking at a dozen OSI posts on this and none mention Azov. Plenty mention that it's a standing anti Putin protest, not that it hit the tent at all. It hit the building from the top as seen in the vids above. The tent is still there.
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Paracausal posted:https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1498554157535481856 That red car that was RIGHT at the center of the explosion is gone - so I guess it wasn't disabled and the occupant probably just drove off? That is surprising that such a huge explosion just shattered glass and didn't even seem to kill someone driving a like, 1980s Lada at the epicenter? /insert Lada joke?
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https://twitter.com/StimsonCenter/status/1498368715909435395 FWIW, I read Tang Shiping's analysis <乌克兰，一种解决方案> and it's... let's say, implausible (argues that the US promotes intra-European tensions rather than letting Europe (summarised as France and Germany) be 'naturally' dominated by the largest, more powerful nation of Russia to produce a larger global power, in order to undermine Europe as a peer competitor; advocates Vietnam (the most heavily armed Southeast Asian state) balancing American and Chinese interests as a future model for Ukraine without once mentioning contemporary revulsion at Finlandization, not cognizant that the EU membership would not be acceptable for Russia either). Still, interesting as a view into a really different discourse.
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BrotherJayne posted:You've got to be kidding, half the media posts in here are refuted inside of 6 hours, a trend that seems to hold true on all other platform as well Hey, if you can't actually read Russian, then maybe don't fling Russian propaganda hot takes around doing some "just asking questions" bullshit. We have a lot of actual Eastern Europeans and native Russian speakers in here, comparatively speaking, so perhaps you could consider just lurking and maybe learning something.
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dominoeffect posted:I wasn't sure if troll was the right word, but some of their posts crossed into trolling territory for me. Maybe I should just leave it at pro-russian oh yeah, not substantively disagreeing there, just adding a bit onto that
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Professor Beetus posted:Hey, if you can't actually read Russian, then maybe don't fling Russian propaganda hot takes around doing some "just asking questions" bullshit. We have a lot of actual Eastern Europeans and native Russian speakers in here, comparatively speaking, so perhaps you could consider just lurking and maybe learning something. I hadn't seen it posted here and it would indeed be cool if it was confirmed with a translation one way or the other. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Omon Ra posted:It seems to be real, here it is on a Ukrainian site: https://novyny.live/kharkov/v-kharkove-nachinaiut-mobilizatsiiu-uchastnikov-boevykh-deistvii-41251.html This does appear to be a Ukranian newspaper talking about Azov recruiting at the State Administration building at 10. According to Google Translate it's at the building and doesn't mention the tent (anyone able to verify that translation) and either way in no way excuses shooting the building with a missile at 8, even if the Russians did know that in advance and weren't heavily bombarding the city. Azov is also bad.
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BrotherJayne posted:I hadn't seen it posted here and it would indeed be cool if it was confirmed with a translation one way or the other. You realize it would not make of goddamn bit of difference whether it was or wasn't, right?
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BrotherJayne posted:I hadn't seen it posted here and it would indeed be cool if it was confirmed with a translation one way or the other. I'm still curious what your original point was. War crimes are okay as long as they sometimes hit bad people? I'm not trying to trip you up so I can slam the probe button, your posts have been really ambiguous and I frankly can't tell what you're trying to say.
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ronya posted:https://twitter.com/StimsonCenter/status/1498368715909435395 lol I know insanely little about European politics and even I know that the idea that the US is promoting conflict in Europe because otherwise Russia would dominate Germany and France and create a European Super-bloc to challenge the US is nonsense. Aside from the inherent silliness of this proposition, do they not think the UK, or Turkey, or Poland might have some feelings or influence in this supposed Russo-Hegemonic European Consensus based on their geography/relative wealth/relative militarization within the Eurosphere? Hell, SPAIN has a bigger economy than Russia does, maybe they'll dominate France and Germany first.
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Professor Beetus posted:I'm still curious what your original point was. War crimes are okay as long as they sometimes hit bad people? I'm not trying to trip you up so I can slam the probe button, your posts have been really ambiguous and I frankly can't tell what you're trying to say. I 100% am not saying poo poo, and consider warcrimes are inexcusable. I'm rubbernecking a massive conflict that seems unreal, and posted something that seemed particularly bizarre.
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BrotherJayne posted:I 100% am not saying poo poo, and consider warcrimes are inexcusable. I'm rubbernecking a massive conflict that seems unreal, and posted something that seemed particularly bizarre. Literally the first thing you posted on the matter: BrotherJayne posted:Looks like they targetted the Azov recruiting station Use your six hours of probe on lurking more and listening to people who might actually have a clue as to what they're talking about; it's one of the best things about DND when less people are drive-by shitposting.
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Sanguinia posted:lol I know insanely little about European politics and even I know that the idea that the US is promoting conflict in Europe because otherwise Russia would dominate Germany and France and create a European Super-bloc to challenge the US is nonsense. Aside from the inherent silliness of this proposition, do they not think the UK, or Turkey, or Poland might have some feelings or influence in this supposed Russo-Hegemonic European Consensus based on their geography/relative wealth/relative militarization within the Eurosphere? Hell, SPAIN has a bigger economy than Russia does, maybe they'll dominate France and Germany first. I mean, it's a Chinese intellectual at Fudan U laying out a Chinese view of the world. It perhaps says more about how China interprets its natural/deserved place in East/Southeast Asia than anything else. quote:也许乌克兰会明智地从越南与中国的经验中吸取教训。越南曾一千年来与中国作战（与法国和美国也曾短暂作战），并在1975年至1989年间与苏联结盟对抗中国，但越南仍不情愿地承认。无论其外部盟友有多强大，它都无力与中国对抗。因此，在过去20年左右的时间里，越南一直试图在中国和其他外部大国（即美国）之间达成微妙的“中间立场”，但没有宣布中立。越南领导人明白，外交的艺术不是在地理限制范围内寻找情感上的满意，而是寻找理性上的可能。 quote:Perhaps Ukraine would be wise to learn from the experience of Vietnam and China. Vietnam has fought China for a thousand years (and briefly with France and the United States) and allied itself with the Soviet Union against China from 1975 to 1989, but Vietnam is still reluctant to admit it. No matter how powerful its external allies are, it is powerless to confront China. So for the past 20 years or so, Vietnam has been trying to strike a delicate "middle ground" between China and other external powers (i.e. the US), but has not declared neutrality. Vietnamese leaders understand that the art of diplomacy is not the search for emotional satisfaction within geographic constraints, but the search for rational possibility. "the art of bowing to the East without mooning the West"
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Sanguinia posted:lol I know insanely little about European politics and even I know that the idea that the US is promoting conflict in Europe because otherwise Russia would dominate Germany and France and create a European Super-bloc to challenge the US is nonsense. Aside from the inherent silliness of this proposition, do they not think the UK, or Turkey, or Poland might have some feelings or influence in this supposed Russo-Hegemonic European Consensus based on their geography/relative wealth/relative militarization within the Eurosphere? Hell, SPAIN has a bigger economy than Russia does, maybe they'll dominate France and Germany first.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:This is some dirt simple stuff, but I will posit strongly that the main intelligence failure was that a ton of people (and this goes as much outside of china as for chinese intel) just called up the best connected russians that they knew (eg people who normally very much did have the inside scoop about what Russia was about to do) and were given the same lines of bullshit that were going around among very well-connected russians. Eg 'putin is a pragmatist, no way he would be stupid enough to start a groundwar in ukraine. He's just going to bluff it to make the west squirm because he can, but he's definitely not actually that stupid.' Hopefully the "administrators" who were kept in the dark go hostile instead of covering down, especially since the Georgian blitzkrieg is not happening and there wont be a clean exit out of this. They are scum but I'd take anything over a military-first, agony-driven decisionmaking going on.
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Just remember losses doesnt mean death or destroyed. It also mean captured or surrendered. https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1498574179188330501
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