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Tom Clancy is Dead
Jul 13, 2011

steinrokkan posted:

Imagine the moral effect if you were stuck in a traffic jam that has barely moved in two days, there is no food, no fuel, no communications, nowhere to go - and the only thing that happens is that from time to time something blows up up or down the road, at random intervals, at random distance from you.

But enough about the Burning Man exodus line

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mustard_tiger
Nov 8, 2010
Can someone explain this conflict in terms of Q-Bert so I can understand? Thanks and God bless.

Carnotaurus
Feb 27, 2006

meat-eating bull

mustard_tiger posted:

Can someone explain this conflict in terms of Q-Bert so I can understand? Thanks and God bless.

@!#?@!

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

Nenonen posted:

In the future, on New Year's eve Ukrainian children wait in eager silence for the Ghost of Kyiv to land his MiG by their house and deliver gifts :ghost: :ukraine:

(actually it's just the neighbour's dad in overalls and a motorbike helmet)

:allears:

How reliable a source is The Sun? They're reporting a possible mutiny stopping landings in Odessa. I would be shocked given the penalties for mutiny even in peacetime, but less plausible things have happened before.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17806693/russia-mutiny-army-ukraine-vladimir-putin/

Shinjobi
Jul 10, 2008


Gravy Boat 2k
Ghost of Ukraine is a AI that pilots full rear end fighter jets, because it is time for Ace Combat 3 Electrosphere. Didn't think it took place in Ukraine, but I'll take it where I can get it.





Anyway, with the logjam of the convoy in place, does committing more troops make any difference to the effort unless they're entering from another direction? Maybe they're also there to keep peeps from abandoning their posts? I assume they've a plan for these reinforcements, and yet...

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Ynglaur posted:

:allears:

How reliable a source is The Sun? They're reporting a possible mutiny stopping landings in Odessa. I would be shocked given the penalties for mutiny even in peacetime, but less plausible things have happened before.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17806693/russia-mutiny-army-ukraine-vladimir-putin/

Imagine taking a poo poo and wiping it all over a piece of paper and using the excrement to predict the future. That's more reliable than The Sun.

DeliciousPatriotism
May 26, 2008

Ynglaur posted:

:allears:

How reliable a source is The Sun? They're reporting a possible mutiny stopping landings in Odessa. I would be shocked given the penalties for mutiny even in peacetime, but less plausible things have happened before.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17806693/russia-mutiny-army-ukraine-vladimir-putin/

I remember hearing about actions and alleged landings in the black sea but have been shocked to hear that Odessa hasn't been captured nor does it appear to be under much attack for the moment.

Also uh, Russia has something of a history with mutinying naval troops.

d64
Jan 15, 2003

Sir John Falstaff posted:

Does anyone know the current general reliability of this polling company? According to Wikipedia, it is state-owned. Given the general reliability of Russian state-owned media, the recent tightening of state control over it, and the clear incentive to show that the Russian people support the invasion, should we consider these results as reliable at all?

I can't answer this question, but the experts interviewed by media in my country don't seem to find the results incredible. Further, I hear the same story from Russian expats: many of their relatives and friends back home have a completely different understanding of the conflict and support it.

There will certainly be more polling pretty soon.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Pookah posted:

Irish.
Our lovely politicians are fortunately still at the stage when the can be forced out by being shitbags about covid regs. Nowhere is perfect, but Ireland is generally very sensible, politically speaking. We don't do extremism.

Extremism is all up here in Northern Ireland, with me! :bravo:

Seriously, he's in the sane & mentally stable country of this island.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

DeliciousPatriotism posted:

I remember hearing about actions and alleged landings in the black sea but have been shocked to hear that Odessa hasn't been captured nor does it appear to be under much attack for the moment.

Also uh, Russia has something of a history with mutinying naval troops.

Apparently the weather is making the coastal waters too rough and cold to attempt any landings. I'm not a boat person though
https://twitter.com/KaptainLOMA/status/1498689048759742466?t=OesqPpZc6nbNvk6_-p-EvA&s=19

Edit: source above is a former Belgian Naval Officer and current Russian Naval Analyst - he has a blog that's reporting on current Russian Naval movements. It's current as of today.

For boat posters who've been wondering where the Russian Navy's at:

https://russianfleetanalysis.blogspot.com/?m=1

KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Mar 1, 2022

TheSpamalope
Dec 30, 2008

by sebmojo
Lipstick Apathy
Clancychat owns

Pookah
Aug 21, 2008

🪶Caw🪶





Just Another Lurker posted:

Extremism is all up here in Northern Ireland, with me! :bravo:

Seriously, he's in the sane & mentally stable country of this island.

I didn't want to bring up the absolute loopers in the North. They represent hardly anyone and are crazy weirdos to the average person.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

My Russian family is absolutely not believing anything bad is going on in Ukraine. The arguments got so bad that all the Russians left the group chat and now it's just me and my Ukrainian family.

I called my cousin in Russia and she's telling me about all the stores only want cash and she has no idea how to pay the bills this month. But when I tell her what's going on in Ukraine and that's the reason she won't hear it. She thinks the world is over-reacting and there's no slaughter going on.

On another crazy note. How wild is it that I'm video chatting with my little cousins on the other side of the planet in a warzone? War messed me up pretty bad as a grown man. I don't know what we're going to do about our children.

Sir John Falstaff
Apr 13, 2010

d64 posted:

I can't answer this question, but the experts interviewed by media in my country don't seem to find the results incredible. Further, I hear the same story from Russian expats: many of their relatives and friends back home have a completely different understanding of the conflict and support it.

There will certainly be more polling pretty soon.

If it's accurate, I hope it changes soon as information spreads and the costs become more apparent. Pressure within Russia has seemed to me to be the most likely way this ends without (more) wide-spread humanitarian catastrophe(s).

Antigravitas
Dec 8, 2019

Die Rettung fuer die Landwirte:

Kraftwerk posted:

Do we have any information about how some of the older, cheaper anti-tank weapons work against T-80s and BTRs?

I'm talking about the Panzerfaust IIIs, Carl Gustavs and RPG-27 unguided rockets.

The Panzerfaust 3 is pretty modern, actually. Designed to kill cold war tanks and upgraded later. Supports tandem warheads.

We don't know what Ukraine is getting exactly, but it's has pretty fancy features.

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




There are seemingly lots of belarusians trying to gtfo right now. Our local Belarusians in Tbilisi chat blown up over last 2 days from about 80 people to nearly 800 and no signs of stopping, everyone with questions of tickets, routes, border, flat rentals etc.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

spacetoaster posted:

My Russian family is absolutely not believing anything bad is going on in Ukraine. The arguments got so bad that all the Russians left the group chat and now it's just me and my Ukrainian family.

I called my cousin in Russia and she's telling me about all the stores only want cash and she has no idea how to pay the bills this month. But when I tell her what's going on in Ukraine and that's the reason she won't hear it. She thinks the world is over-reacting and there's no slaughter going on.

On another crazy note. How wild is it that I'm video chatting with my little cousins on the other side of the planet in a warzone? War messed me up pretty bad as a grown man. I don't know what we're going to do about our children.

I'm guessing there's not much video coverage of the war?

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Aug 6, 2013


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Sekenr posted:

There are seemingly lots of belarusians trying to gtfo right now. Our local Belarusians in Tbilisi chat blown up over last 2 days from about 80 people to nearly 800 and no signs of stopping, everyone with questions of tickets, routes, border, flat rentals etc.

I'm shocked that Lukachenko feels comfortable enough to send 45,000 troops into a warzone. Seems like a good time for some protesting if you ask me.

mmkay
Oct 21, 2010

Sekenr posted:

There are seemingly lots of belarusians trying to gtfo right now. Our local Belarusians in Tbilisi chat blown up over last 2 days from about 80 people to nearly 800 and no signs of stopping, everyone with questions of tickets, routes, border, flat rentals etc.

I'm assuming there's visa free travel for Belarusians in Georgia?

John F Bennett
Jan 30, 2013

I always wear my wedding ring. It's my trademark.

As a man, the Ghost of Kyiv is flesh and blood, he can be ignored, he can be destroyed...but as a symbol, the Ghost of Kyiv can be incorruptible, he can be everlasting.

porfiria
Dec 10, 2008

by Modern Video Games

TulliusCicero posted:

...How is Zelenskyy in anyway to blame for Ukraine?he's managed to mount one of the most impressive PR and domestic defenses I've ever seen.

He's going to go down in history books as his country's great defender.

It seems a little early in the day to declare this, rofl.

Blitz of 404 Error
Sep 19, 2007

Joe Biden is a top 15 president
It's kinda interesting that we stopped hearing about any ghost of kviv updates after we saw Ukraine shoot down their own fighter

Zero_Grade
Mar 18, 2004

Darktider 🖤🌊

~Neck Angels~

ringu0 posted:

Atlanta when snow fell
The river Dneiper in winter!

Antigravitas posted:

The Panzerfaust 3 is pretty modern, actually. Designed to kill cold war tanks and upgraded later. Supports tandem warheads.

We don't know what Ukraine is getting exactly, but it's has pretty fancy features.
We know they're at least getting a whole bunch of NLAWs.

Zero_Grade fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Mar 1, 2022

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


ZombieLenin posted:

HOWEVER, that’s all academic. If the UA or Air Force has the capacity to hit that convoy like the coalition did on the highway of death it would have happened already. Full stop.
If the US, using American pilots flying American planes, makes an assault on Russian troops, that is an act of war. Physically practical and politically practical are different axes.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

porfiria posted:

It seems a little early in the day to declare this, rofl.

Well he's got the spot in textbooks assured but the, ahem, end of the chapter has not been written.

Quorum
Sep 24, 2014

REMIND ME AGAIN HOW THE LITTLE HORSE-SHAPED ONES MOVE?

Sekenr posted:

There are seemingly lots of belarusians trying to gtfo right now. Our local Belarusians in Tbilisi chat blown up over last 2 days from about 80 people to nearly 800 and no signs of stopping, everyone with questions of tickets, routes, border, flat rentals etc.

Georgia and Armenia in particular are seeing quite a lot of brain drain from Russia. Even if most of those people later return or move somewhere else, it's a significant event.

EvilHawk
Sep 15, 2009

LIVARPOOL!

Klopp's 13pts clear thanks to video ref

Ynglaur posted:

:allears:

How reliable a source is The Sun? They're reporting a possible mutiny stopping landings in Odessa. I would be shocked given the penalties for mutiny even in peacetime, but less plausible things have happened before.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17806693/russia-mutiny-army-ukraine-vladimir-putin/

Just to be really clear The Sun is a horrible shitrag and you should never believe anything printed in it.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Randarkman posted:

The entire Ukrainian airforce is the Ghost of Kyiv, they take turns, the ghost is their collective genius given form.

This is the most honest truth.

Ciprian Maricon
Feb 27, 2006



Antigravitas posted:

The Panzerfaust 3 is pretty modern, actually. Designed to kill cold war tanks and upgraded later. Supports tandem warheads.

We don't know what Ukraine is getting exactly, but it's has pretty fancy features.

A lot of the increased lethality of more modern AT weapons comes from the fire control systems and ease of use. Even the oldest RPG-7s could take out a modern tank with a tandem HEAT round, but without optics, guidance systems, and other factors its a lot hard to actually get the round on target.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Arsenic Lupin posted:

If the US, using American pilots flying American planes, makes an assault on Russian troops, that is an act of war. Physically practical and politically practical are different axes.

Ukraine has Air Force, too (theoretically)

Nenonen
Oct 22, 2009

Mulla on aina kolkyt donaa taskussa

KitConstantine posted:

Apparently the weather is making the coastal waters too rough and cold to attempt any landings. I'm not a boat person though
https://twitter.com/KaptainLOMA/status/1498689048759742466?t=OesqPpZc6nbNvk6_-p-EvA&s=19

Yea, Russian naval infantry uses BTR's and helicopters for opposed landings and they are not the most seaworthy vessels known in history of navigation. Flying from and to ships would be difficult, too.



Btw. that Ukrainian tactic looks interesting - remove the beach, enemy has nowhere to land! :v:

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

Arsenic Lupin posted:

If the US, using American pilots flying American planes, makes an assault on Russian troops, that is an act of war. Physically practical and politically practical are different axes.

nowhere in that post mentioned the us air force bombing russians

Ynglaur
Oct 9, 2013

The Malta Conference, anyone?

EvilHawk posted:

Just to be really clear The Sun is a horrible shitrag and you should never believe anything printed in it.

I, um, picked up that vibe, yeah. Thanks!

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Rinkles posted:

I'm guessing there's not much video coverage of the war?

Honestly I have no idea what they're seeing/hearing.

I'd ask, but they're kinda scrambling right now with the Russian economy tanking. It's late there now, I might call in the morning and try to suss out more.

I feel like eventually it'll become very obvious to them at some point, I just don't know when.

mustard_tiger
Nov 8, 2010
Didn't it take the US and coalition a month to capture Baghdad? I don't think we can call the Ukrainian defense a success yet. They definitely are holding their own so far and have won the media war also.

thunderspanks
Nov 5, 2003

crucify this


porfiria posted:

It seems a little early in the day to declare this, rofl.

Unless he makes some catastrophic capitulation to Putin, or is caught pissing on the ruins of Babyn Yar, I think it's a safe bet to assume he's nailed down a solid folk hero legacy. Ukraine's propaganda machine is working with incredible precision so far.

Zhanism
Apr 1, 2005
Death by Zhanism. So Judged.

Nenonen posted:

Yea, Russian naval infantry uses BTR's and helicopters for opposed landings and they are not the most seaworthy vessels known in history of navigation. Flying from and to ships would be difficult, too.



Btw. that Ukrainian tactic looks interesting - remove the beach, enemy has nowhere to land! :v:

If these guys try to land on a contested beach from a landing craft... I dont think even US marines would want to be a part of that.

KitConstantine
Jan 11, 2013

Rinkles posted:

I'm guessing there's not much video coverage of the war?

The BBC just released a report on how State TV is covering things.

I hope the girl at the end was already gone by time this aired :sigh:

https://twitter.com/BBCSteveR/status/1498735249425154049?t=Njip3yYGh0eobzEo30EC8A&s=19

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Nov 17, 2011

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Ynglaur posted:

:allears:

How reliable a source is The Sun? They're reporting a possible mutiny stopping landings in Odessa. I would be shocked given the penalties for mutiny even in peacetime, but less plausible things have happened before.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/17806693/russia-mutiny-army-ukraine-vladimir-putin/

Not very I am afraid. The sun is maybe better than the world weekly news.

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Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

mustard_tiger posted:

Didn't it take the US and coalition a month to capture Baghdad? I don't think we can call the Ukrainian defense a success yet. They definitely are holding their own so far and have won the media war also.

the coalition was very meticulous in its approach, which is going to slow things down a bit

on the other hand, your point is true. we're not even a week into this yet, russia is far from being exhausted. the worst could very well be yet to come as the attempt at a quick victory falls apart, so russia shifts to a more plodding but destructive offensive

Zhanism posted:

If these guys try to land on a contested beach from a landing craft... I dont think even US marines would want to be a part of that.

us marines would punch themselves in the nuts to be a part of that. one problem with having specialist forces is that they beg for an opportunity to practice their specialty. like the first VDV guys to go into hostomel airport were probably jazzed as gently caress to be doing their airborne thing. the second, third, fourth waves etc. probably not so much

this is kind of a problem in military planning for real though. like to a hammer, everything is a nail, to marine infantry, everything is a contested beach, and there is no greater purpose than storming that beach

Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 20:55 on Mar 1, 2022

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