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ImpAtom posted:I though Facebook/Twitter had them taken down, which is why you are getting all the "hashtag COVID denial down 90%" clickbait Russia's various diplomatic twitters from other countries are posting statements, there's a couple of Moscow based journalists posting things too. It's not hard to find. I just don't share it here. And I'm pretty much the only one doing any twitter mining so what you get is what you get.
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KitConstantine posted:Russia's various diplomatic twitters from other countries are posting statements, there's a couple of Moscow based journalists posting things too. It's not hard to find. Huh. Thanks for the correction.
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John F Bennett posted:Yes, my friend is also asking what this means. Further simplifying my tech-heavy explanation from earlier: Unless the contents of the tweets are the tip of the iceberg, at the absolute worse-case scenario, it's equivalent to hackers getting all the source code of a game, but none of the assets. It reveals a heck of a lot about how the bank operates, which may or may not lead to further hacks. But the real valuable stuff, the data, is most likely not affected by this whatsoever. Aramis fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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sean10mm posted:I know one of CSPAM's gimmicks is Holodomor denial for the lulz, but the last time Ukraine was owned by I agree completely. Also Holodomor denial wasn't a C-SPAM original, it was a Homework Explainer/Genocide Explainer addition to the canon.
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ImpAtom posted:I though Facebook/Twitter had them taken down, which is why you are getting all the "hashtag COVID denial down 90%" clickbait Wait what? I roll with an adblocker and pretty much ignore COVID news in favor of my trusty P100 and self-imposed isolation because America is a failed state.
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enigma74 posted:A budget increase is maybe sadly justified. Unless we want to wait until China's J-20's are strafing Taipei before we take any preventative deterrent action. i mean we are going to have a military budget increase at this point. i just hope we spend it on real poo poo instead of "lol another superdongle that doesn't do dick" sean10mm posted:I know one of CSPAM's gimmicks is Holodomor denial for the lulz, but the last time Ukraine was owned by i mean they have been hosed over by russian since ivan the terrible and they have basically been the big empires stomping ground before the ME became more popular to gently caress around in.
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JesusSinfulHands posted:Seems eminently plausible that a decent chunk of the Russian army does not want to fight this war. I hope Ukraine is able to capitalize on this somehow, maybe letting Russian troops who surrender or defect know that nothing will happen to them. i am actually not surprised by that. i think ALOT of the russian military are conscripts of various stripes and alot of them are loving scared and hungary and don't know whats going on because putin didnt learn dick from any of the previous wars. enigma74 posted:Yes, the manner of death matters a lot, it completely changes the global calculus. Civilians getting killed as a side of effect of war is viewed as very sad, terrible. But civilians being executed because they may or may not have planted a bomb that killed 10 Russian "peacekeepers" in occupied Kyiv would be outright intolerable to the West, especially since they are fellow Christian white people. maybe but my guess is a bunch of cities basicaly turn into stalingrad for the russian forces while more forces are being built up in western ukraine(which hasnt been as hit hard then) which will be armed with preem NATO/EU/AMERICAN poo poo. also their will be some sort of insurgency. i think if putin goes hard it will be fuel air bombs/chemical weapons route.
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Warmachine posted:Wait what? I roll with an adblocker and pretty much ignore COVID news in favor of my trusty P100 and self-imposed isolation because America is a failed state. Russian troll farms were running covid misinformation campaigns because why not.
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Huh strange, I just thought to check and Western Union is still doing money transfers into/out of Russia. I'm not sure if that's the realm of business transaction or not but seems odd.
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Uh that one's not a bank https://twitter.com/AnonUkraine_/status/1498773498713497600
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The_Franz posted:Not going to link it, but several people, what looks to be a family, were instantly incinerated by one of the rockets they fired at the TV tower. I'm sure their friends and family and neighbors will welcome the Russian liberators with open arms.
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Holy poo poo don't even attempt to do this or joke about it  In regards to Anonymous claiming to hack a Reactor control of a nuclear plant in Russia TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 23:42 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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xtothez posted:Uh that one's not a bank 
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Oh yeah, SCADA is the real poo poo. Though "hacked" is a bit much, people just love connecting large industrial facilities directly to the Internet for some reason.
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Morrow posted:A surrender would be just as bloody as a fight. Georgia, Crimea, Belarus... etc. I'm not defending putin - he's a warmongering maniac. But he has been in power long enough that there's a number of examples where short or no conflict was not very bloody - and he has not committed genocide on a scale like Germany, the US (native americans), or earlier rulers in the Soviet Union. It doesn't rule it out, but I find it unlikely. Especially as he was very open about invading - Western experts were the ones calling it a bluff. Again - none of that justifies the actions of putin who is a warmongering gently caress that deserves to rot in hell. Ynglaur posted:Saying "give peace a chance" when you've already been loving invaded 8 years ago and then invaded even harder reminds me of this: Thank you for this. I'm not saying be quiet, ignore it. As mentioned when that was occurring - I wasn't quiet, but I also didn't resort to violence. This also occurred in the United States - so as people are discussing not wanting to live under an oppressive regime by any means necessary... I don't want the US or world to be quiet. I do want the US to commit to actual sanctions - that include oil. Sanctions do take time to have an impact. Some EU countries (germany) need time to find new energy sources before they can act. Actively rooting for a prolonged engagement where Ukraine "wins" at the cost of many lives - to me - is not a victory and everything possible, including surrender, should instead be considered. Either way - excellent discussion, thank you to so many people who gave engaging, good faith replies.
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Relevant Tangent posted:I agree completely. Also Holodomor denial wasn't a C-SPAM original, it was a Homework Explainer/Genocide Explainer addition to the canon. they've kinda gone beyond pure denial and seem to have taken on Stalin's racism for Ukraine themselves.
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Aramis posted:Further simplifying my tech-heavy explanation from earlier: The private TLS keys allow the hackers to do man in the middle attacks until they’re revoked.
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xtothez posted:Uh that one's not a bank 
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the popes toes posted:They need new languages, strong, irrisistable Motherland code. Dependence on western code must end. APL/COBOL hybrid with Russian keywords.
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xtothez posted:Uh that one's not a bank I don't understand whats the implication of this but id rather not have nuclear reactors messed with
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Antigravitas posted:Oh yeah, SCADA is the real poo poo. Though "hacked" is a bit much, people just love connecting large industrial facilities directly to the Internet for some reason. admin password is just fine for an alarming amount of SCADA
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xtothez posted:Uh that one's not a bank Can anything actually be done from that site, or is it just a status report? When that VNC Roulette site was live, there was a lot of things like this exposed to the public internet, but they were ultimately just read-only pages for remote monitoring. The_Franz fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Mar 1, 2022 |
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xtothez posted:Uh that one's not a bank A nuclear reactor control scada on the loving open internet, how am i not surprised.
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Chernobyl Russia without pesky missiles. Solid work
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punishedkissinger posted:they've kinda gone beyond pure denial and seem to have taken on Stalin's racism for Ukraine themselves. Yeah this does seem to be the game plan for Putin Take all the Stalinist hatred for Ukraine but claim they brought it on themselves by being Nazis. Did a Ukranian bully Putin in School? Steal his first love? This wierd racist poo poo with him is kinda pathological.
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xtothez posted:Uh that one's not a bank HMMMMMMMMM….well then…speaking of troll escalation
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Relevant Tangent posted:Russian troll farms were running covid misinformation campaigns because why not. Well, yeah. That was an open secret. Having proof in the shadow of "Hey so we blocked Russian social media access and in the shadow of that 'Open Biden' is polling a lot lower" is another story entirely.
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Please hack and gently caress up any sort of infrastructure other than nuclear reactors. Hit up refineries and poo poo please.
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More on the EU offering amnesty to Russian deserters https://twitter.com/JeremyCliffe/status/1498687499857764356?t=PSEAXfP8ACOX4DvrJMSlHw&s=19 I'm gonna do some loving yoga now
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xtothez posted:Uh that one's not a bank IF the picture on the lower right is anything to judge by, it looks like a small research/test reactor at a lab or university.
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TulliusCicero posted:Yeah this does seem to be the game plan for Putin There is probably some papers in the kremlin from Ivan the terrible or some long dead czar saying “to ye who rules Russia, be horrible to Ukraine for no reason”
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Grouchio posted:....Are they going to make a reactor outside of Moscow meltdown? That just looks like the status monitor.
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With respect to the question about whether Ukrainians "should" fight this war, I think it's a little odious to assume that any of us are in any position to make that judgement for them. I don't see any indication that their arm is being twisted by the West on this issue, nor that it's being twisted by anyone except Russia. They have two choices - fight or submit - and only the Ukrainians themselves are in any position to decide what is in "their best interests". I've been thinking recently of what Sartre wrote in Existentialism is a Humanism, specifically the dilemma posed to him a student during the second world war. His student asked him for advice about whether he should take up a weapon and go off and fight the Nazis, or stay home in France to take care of his ailing mother, who had no-one else in her life besides him. As Sartre argued, there was no right answer to this question. The student could abandon his mother to die alone in grief, sacrificing his life in deference to some quixotic principles, or he could abandon his fellow men and women (who also had mothers) to die on his behalf: either way, he would likely be stricken with guilt. Sartre's broader point is that there are no "rules" one can appeal to in answering this question: Christian morality won't solve this dilemma for you, Kantian moral philosophy won't solve this dilemma for you, and so on. In deciding what is right and wrong we are left largely to own devices. Sartre's advice to his student was blunt: "you must choose". In Ukraine, 40 million people are currently weighing up the same existential dilemma - existential in every possible sense of the word. They can fight, potentially leaving their children orphaned and their parents to wither with grief; they can submit, subjugating themselves to the whims of a tyrant; or they can flee, abandoning all that they have spent their entire lives constructing on that soil. That's it: those are the options. Each Ukrainian must decide for himself and herself where their commitment lies, and each Ukrainian is better placed than anyone else to make that determination. I know what choice I would make if I were standing in their shoes, but I don't stand in their shoes: the responsibility is theirs alone. In the existential sense, that is exactly what it means to be free. Every choice is difficult, every choice must come with a cost, every choice can be regretted, but no-one else can make that choice in their place. They have been abandoned in a godless world, and no external power will swoop in to make that choice for them. Such freedom is terrifying, such freedom is horrific, but it cannot be avoided. Every Ukrainian is currently, as Sartre put it, condemned to be free.
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Relevant Tangent posted:I agree completely. Also Holodomor denial wasn't a C-SPAM original, it was a Homework Explainer/Genocide Explainer addition to the canon. Man that got me a lot of probes
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1st_Panzer_Div. posted:Georgia, Crimea, Belarus... etc. I'm not defending putin - he's a warmongering maniac. But he has been in power long enough that there's a number of examples where short or no conflict was not very bloody - and he has not committed genocide on a scale like Germany, the US (native americans), or earlier rulers in the Soviet Union. It doesn't rule it out, but I find it unlikely. Especially as he was very open about invading - Western experts were the ones calling it a bluff. Again - none of that justifies the actions of putin who is a warmongering gently caress that deserves to rot in hell. He was already talking about garbage like the Ukranian Solution before Ukraine showed the world how easy it is to make his armies bleed. He has been humiliated internationally and will absolutely make an example of them in the worst way if he gets the chance.
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TulliusCicero posted:Russia largely running and funding the right in the West online has been the worst kept secret for years I've been wondering whether the strong European response is driven by this to some extent. Between the Covid-19 fatigue in populations, antivaxxer and antimasker protests, rising cost of living and constant supply chain interruptions, Russian election interference could see a lot of success all over the place. Some governments could be motivated by interest in self-preservation.
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