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Yo dawg I heard you like talking about Ukraine so I put a Ukraine in the Ukraine
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Nuclear Tourist posted:I can only hope you're right. I mean to be clear, I think you're 100% right about them pounding civilian areas into dust. Whether Ukraine wins or loses, Russia's already indicated they're running back to their old playbooks.
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Mar 2, 2022 08:55
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Airbus joining Boeing in ending maintenance support activities.
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Mar 2, 2022 08:56
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These are pictures of military incompetence. https://twitter.com/COUPSURE/status/1498923375699406849?t=9_COpn7MQz96esw6zMhG2g&s=19 And for all of our justified fears of Grozny, remember that Jeltsin bitterly accepted the independence of tiny Chechnya in '96. Nothing is impossible.
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Mar 2, 2022 09:01
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:These are pictures of military incompetence. That's one way to block a street.
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Mar 2, 2022 09:12
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Good update from ISW https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-1 quote:Russian forces are completing the reinforcement and resupply of their troops north and west of Kyiv and launching an envelopment of the capital likely aimed at encircling and ultimately capturing it. This effort will likely accelerate in the next 24-48 hours. Russian operations against Kyiv are Moscow’s main effort. Russian troops are also undertaking three supporting efforts, one to seize Kharkiv, one to take Mariupol and secure the “land bridge” connecting Rostov-on-Don to Crimea, and one to secure Kherson and set conditions for a drive west toward Mykolayiv and Odesa. The three supporting operations are active, with the operation against Mariupol making the most progress in the last 24 hours.
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Mar 2, 2022 09:21
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CNN Prima (Czech) report about fighting in Kharkiv. Filmed yesterday https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MsYJghUdTw
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Mar 2, 2022 09:58
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BBC confirms Russia mostly controls Kherson in the south which is the first actual major population center that’s not in the breakaway regions.
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Mar 2, 2022 12:38
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https://twitter.com/maxfras/status/1498965599850045440
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Mar 2, 2022 12:49
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Cugel the Clever posted:l "NATO-pilled donors to Nazis". Leading up to the war a ton of the coverage was literally parroting Azov propaganda events, and a bunch of foreign Ukraine related activism is tied with these groups and if people want to pretend that won’t be a problem in the future just lol. Hopefully they’re not as useful as they were before since Putin inspired previously poorly motivated Ukrainian conscripts to want to fight with whatever he thought his coked out 10-D chess plan was but I doubt it. Neofascism is going to be a problem in both Ukraine and Russia well after this is over regardless of the outcome since both states are happy to embrace them.
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Mar 2, 2022 12:56
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Mar 2, 2022 12:59
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That's, uh, quite the way to engage in negotiations with a city government. https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1498955188811583492?cxt=HHwWiMC-ta3zrc0pAAAA
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Mar 2, 2022 13:12
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Terrifying Effigies posted:That's, uh, quite the way to engage in negotiations with a city government. Seems like most Russian troops got their training from action movies
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Mar 2, 2022 13:20
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I'm still floored by two major petroleum companies pulling out as well as loving Boeing telling Russia to get hosed. Yeah, really noble of all these companies to pull out of a country that suddenly has no real money.
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Mar 2, 2022 14:18
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CBJSprague24 posted:The endless Nazis in Ukraine talk Russia continues to spew feels a lot like what the right has done in the US: "most of the world is too smart to know it's bullshit, but dammit, we're going to keep hammering it home to whoever's willing to listen!". Man you think it's bad in english, you should see how bad it is on VK and other russian language sites. All ukranians are either freikorps, vulkssturm, or just undefined nazis and russian forces are courageous anti-fascists according to the more dedicated russian nationalists.
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Mar 2, 2022 14:30
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Spoggerific posted:Wikipedia quotes the allies as taking 10,000 casualties (of which 4,414 died) and losing 185 M4 Sherman tanks on D-day. I also have no military knowledge beyond videogames, but the fact that Russian losses (granted, those reported by the other side, which are definitely inflated) appear to be approaching D-day levels after less than a week is... unthinkable. Pages back but many of the D-Day tank losses were the result of DD tanks being swamped by seas coming ashore onto Omaha beach, not necessarily combat kills.
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Mar 2, 2022 14:38
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Stultus Maximus posted:Yeah, really noble of all these companies to pull out of a country that suddenly has no real money. Who said anything about nobility? I'm talking about what the impacts to Russia will be.
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Mar 2, 2022 14:52
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The attempt to supply Ukraine with fighters it has parts for has been a dud . Most of the countries still using Soviet era and Russian warplanes are unwilling to relinquish their own tiny airforces and parts to the Ukrainians. I'd say send them some EuroFighters but I doubt that would ever happen in any world.
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Mar 2, 2022 14:53
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Are we sure the Russian nukes aren’t just made of paper mache at this point?
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Mar 2, 2022 14:58
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nwin posted:Are we sure the Russian nukes aren’t just made of paper mache at this point? Are you proposing we roll the dice and find out?
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Mar 2, 2022 14:59
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So the twitter sphere is rumoring that Putin plans to reinstall Viktor Yukanovich, who was last seen in Ukraine fleeing charges of treason and mass murder. If this is true, then this is a clear message that even if Ukraine capitulates immediately, the killings will continue in the form of political Terror.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:02
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https://youtu.be/wCjBki16zl0 Timothy Snyder / Yuval Harari livestream, if you're interested in that kind of thing.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:06
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A Festivus Miracle posted:I'd say send them some EuroFighters but I doubt that would ever happen in any world. I know this isn't a serious suggestion, but I imagine even the best pilot is next to worthless in a combat situation in a plane they've never trained in. I know I eat poo poo every time I try a new plane in IL-2 and DCS, even after looking up how to fly it.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:08
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A.o.D. posted:So the twitter sphere is rumoring that Putin plans to reinstall Viktor Yukanovich, who was last seen in Ukraine fleeing charges of treason and mass murder. ah yes, bastion of leftist thought and self-determination, Viktor Yanukovych, definitely not known for being a notably corrupt oligarchist stooge with a persistent history of election fraud who told a female presidential candidate to get back in the kitchen before refusing to debate her, deeply disliked in the urban areas of ukraine, definitely a natural ally for the american left wonder why he was overthrown? i guess it was the cia
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Mar 2, 2022 15:11
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Hekk posted:Are you proposing we roll the dice and find out? I, uh, don't think that's up to us anymore.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:12
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A.o.D. posted:So the twitter sphere is rumoring that Putin plans to reinstall Viktor Yukanovich, who was last seen in Ukraine fleeing charges of treason and mass murder. That dude's gonna get assassinated the first day on the job.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:15
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According to Russia, he’s the rightful leader ousted by the NATO backed nazi coup in 2014.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:16
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Prop Wash posted:ah yes, bastion of leftist thought and self-determination, Viktor Yanukovych, definitely not known for being a notably corrupt oligarchist stooge with a persistent history of election fraud who told a female presidential candidate to get back in the kitchen before refusing to debate her, deeply disliked in the urban areas of ukraine, definitely a natural ally for the american left Yanukovych deserves all the scorn you're heaping on him, but I don't understand where the "american left" angle comes from? 
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Mar 2, 2022 15:16
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I, uh, don't think that's up to us anymore. Agreed. Putin is going to launch nukes if he wants to. We know he doesn't care how things get done as long as he gets his way. We don't have a choice anymore on the nuke question. Putin is achieving what Best Korea wants to achieve. We let nations dangle their nukes like a get out of jail free card.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:19
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:I, uh, don't think that's up to us anymore. There are lines NATO haven’t crossed yet. If for example, NATO piloted aircraft started flying sorties within Ukraine, it’d certainly be an escalation that I have no idea how Russia would respond to. They are running out of non nuclear responses though.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:19
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All we have to do to keep the nuclear genie in the bottle is give Putin his every demand without complaint It's so easy.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:22
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A.o.D. posted:All we have to do to keep the nuclear genie in the bottle is give Putin his every demand without complaint Yeah that’s exactly the argument that was being made. Stupendous analytical skills on display here.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:27
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Hekk posted:Yeah that’s exactly the argument that was being made. Stupendous analytical skills on display here. Putin won't stop at Ukraine if he's not stopped. This needs to be understood. If his nuclear threat is successful in getting him what he wants he will advance his brinksmanship.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:29
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Hekk posted:There are lines NATO haven’t crossed yet. If for example, NATO piloted aircraft started flying sorties within Ukraine, it’d certainly be an escalation that I have no idea how Russia would respond to. They are running out of non nuclear responses though. I mean, yes, but I was more making the point that now we are down to the self-control of a madman.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:35
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Torrannor posted:Yanukovych deserves all the scorn you're heaping on him, but I don't understand where the "american left" angle comes from? No, you’re correct, that’s not the right group to single out here. It just gives me a headache to think there’s anyone out there who considers themselves left wing and would support an invasion to return him to power, no matter how many times we use the word “denazification”
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Mar 2, 2022 15:40
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A.o.D. posted:Putin won't stop at Ukraine if he's not stopped. This needs to be understood. If his nuclear threat is successful in getting him what he wants he will advance his brinksmanship. Maybe. I am holding out hope that there are senior officials within Russia that are helping keep Putin away from that button. Maybe the sanctions and extreme loss of life from their attack will generate enough unrest with Russia for someone to step in solve the problem for us. I don’t think the response should be calling bullshit and waiting to see if cans of sunshine get opened up.
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Mar 2, 2022 15:41
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“Putin is insane” and other rhetorical arguments to say that the US or NATO should launch attacks in Russia don’t make any good sense. NATO is doing a lot to support a non-NATO nation under attack. NATO launching an aggressive attack on Russia would be an absurd escalation and would shatter NATO unity. NATO actions like that require unanimity. So it would just never happen, so really advocacy to attack Russia is advocacy for select states to deliberately break ranks with NATO policy and go it alone, hope it works and sacrifice their Article 5 protections. You don’t get to attack a nation, then call for article 5 if they fight back, for example. The admins of NATO, US, UK, et al are letting the economic and diplomatic ramifications run course; not everything is a nail requiring offensive hammers.
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What can the US / NATO do, beyond sanctions & material, to help Ukraine covertly? Obviously, running B-2s with JDAMs or cruise missile strikes would help, but that would no doubt lead to ICBMs in the air shortly thereafter. Similarly you can’t run a battalion of infantry or armor from Poland straight to the Kyiv, for the same reason. So what kind of deniable help do you think we’re giving them? Several former military or government employees who happened to be ‘vacationing’ in Ukraine and now have volunteered to fight? Or do you think we are just feeding intel?
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Mar 2, 2022 15:51
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Based upon what we're seeing, I don't think Russia could seriously contest even a smaller NATO county like Estonia. Seems like this fairly local war has already stretched Russia's ground forces thin, and they're being incredibly risk averse with committing their aircraft after early losses. The sanctions will take some time to bite, but they're going to hit the defense sector hard (especially stuff like steel and electronics). I can see the corruption in the Russian military accelerating to post-USSR collapse levels, as the people in charge try to get their hands on currency worth something, with lots of weapons and supplies going missing and suddenly turning up in the hands of warlords and terrorist organizations around the world. So that's not great. But I think this was supposed to be as much a performance for NATO as it was a subjugation of Ukraine. And so far it's been a disaster. psydude fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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Crini posted:Or do you think we are just feeding intel? I think it's a bit more than "just" intel. The intel NATO is feeding them through satellites and constant AWACS/sigint flights on the border is probably worth just as much, if not more, than the ATGMs they're being showered with. I don't know how often a spy satellite passes overhead, but I imagine there can't be any more than a couple hours of a gap. Immediately knowing where everything visible from the air is once every couple hours has to be one of the most powerful assets on Ukraine's side.
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