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i get it now, thanks! didn't connect "this weapons pattern can be extracted" with "you have to find 4 or 400 copies of this gun before you might be able to craft it, idiot" I like that it's kind of a long term beloved weapon make it better system. sometimes you just like using that gun.
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OzFactor posted:I'm pretty confused on weapon crafting at this point after the couple of tutorial quests... You only get a new weapon pattern from a resonant version of that specific gun, right? i.e. I have a resonant 30th anniversary battle rifle and all that's going to get me is mats, right, since that's not on the list of unlockable patterns? Yup. All guns, whether they're craftable or not, have a chance to drop with Deepsight Resonance and create crafting mats. Majere posted:when a red border weapon says "this weapons pattern can be extracted" what exactly does that mean or do? when I fill the bar, I can extract ruinous or adroit or whatever element from it but where does the extracting pattern part come in? does that mean I can craft a whole new one from the pendulum thingy from scratch? Yep -- you unlock some of the crafting recipes at the Relic by extracting resonance from random red-border drops of that gun. You have to do it more than once -- many guns need 2 or 3 extractions, some need more. If you haven't learned the recipe yet, it'll have that "pattern can be extracted" text, but it works exactly the same as any other Resonant gun; use it, collect crafting mats, throw it away if you don't like it. Once you've done enough extractions and learned the recipe, it'll just have the usual "resonance can be extracted" text and work like any other redborder gun. This is why the low drop rates on Wellspring really suck (and are getting patched); it's not enough to just get a redborder version of a gun once, you need to get it up to 5 times.
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Do you think the Witness and the Winnower are the same thing? The design of the Witness is really really cool btw.
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ChaosReaper posted:Not that I had a good roll but I deleted the only Funnelweb I've gotten and boy am I regretting that every day now. I haven't even seen a second one since I deleted that first one on day 2. This is exactly me right now too lol..
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PERMACAV 50 posted:Yes, though some require more than one juiced gun before you can craft your own. This is one thing they should change for this first bunch of weapons available in crafting. The One of the evidence board quests from the hidden is to craft 3 weapons. One of which is pointless inquiry (psi ops scout), which requires 3 pattern extractions. I've seen 3 rifles total only 1 was resonant. However, I'd like to thank the crafting system for introducing me to the adagio/subsistence/veist stasis auto rifle "Krait", I'd have probably not looked at it twice if not for deepsight resonance. Was quite surprised when I first got a large mob of red bars in sights and was able to just hold down mouse 1 like I was an Actium rig sweet business titan 
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Deep sight resonance should be a weapon mod you add. It takes up the slot while you use it so there's a cost to it, but you can periodically extract it and if you leave it long enough it learns the weapon's pattern and you can craft it Hire me bungie
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rocket_Magnet posted:One of the evidence board quests from the hidden is to craft 3 weapons. One of which is pointless inquiry (psi ops scout), which requires 3 pattern extractions. I've seen 3 rifles total only 1 was resonant. Don't worry, after you finish that step you get a second step, to craft 2 even rarer weapons!
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DarkHorse posted:Deep sight resonance should be a weapon mod you add. It takes up the slot while you use it so there's a cost to it, but you can periodically extract it and if you leave it long enough it learns the weapon's pattern and you can craft it quote:Hire me bungie
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Somewhere along the process of making craftable guns, someone said “but doesn’t this completely break and invalidate the loot chasing RNG engine that fuels our game?” and someone else had a brilliant solution: just make the system 100% awful to interact with and the guns so bland and unappealing that it’s largely irrelevant anyway. Good thing their world design, encounter design, lore and campaign teams hit absolute home runs, as even the god awful PvP meta and tepid crafting system can ruin the overall stellar delivery of the expansion / season content. I can’t wait to see what they do with Lucent Hive mechanics in the raid. Elerion fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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You could make it so it only extracted the perks on that gun, and if you wanted to be an enormous  only for that gun. That way you still have to chase after a drop with at least one of the perks you wantAnd then there's the gun of leveling up the gun you eventually craft, and then invalidated when they tweak some numbers or mechanics and the meta changes...
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slow_twitch posted:This is exactly me right now too lol.. Apparently all I had to do was bitch about it here. Just decrypted my first umbral engram into a subsistence frenzy funnelweb.
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DarkHorse posted:You could make it so it only extracted the perks on that gun, and if you wanted to be an enormous
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Holy poo poo this guy has put some time into the game recently...
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that feels like it's gotta be an exploit / abuse. Or total insanity
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Mesadoram posted:Holy poo poo this guy has put some time into the game recently... ... there aren't any perks on that. that's a completely unmodified glaive. 
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Kith posted:... there aren't any perks on that. Holy poo poo I didn't even notice that 
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Sorry, one more question: How big is the campaign in Witch Queen? I mean, I am mostly expecting it to be around 10 hours at most; Not expecting miracles here. But it does sound a bit beefier than their last few expansions. I am not sure how long I will stick around for the Grind, but I would like to play a Good Bungie Campaign.
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Unlucky7 posted:Sorry, one more question: How big is the campaign in Witch Queen? I mean, I am mostly expecting it to be around 10 hours at most; Not expecting miracles here. But it does sound a bit beefier than their last few expansions. That's about right for the primary campaign, there's 9 or so missions that'll take you an hour on average unless you're blasting through. There's some additional narrative questlines after that, not counting the Season stuff.
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The Parasite quest is worth the price of admission alone
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No wonder the hive is so crabby if that's how high maintenance their worms are. It's like all the worst parts of cats and dogs in a single pet.
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PERMACAV 50 posted:The Parasite quest is worth the price of admission alone quote:Ah huh.
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Cool little economy bypass here, but you get to reshape the glaive for free after completing the first campaign mission. Get your glaive up to level 20 on your main character or whatever, and then run the first campaign mission on a second character. Reshape the level 20 Glaive and add as many enhanced perks as you want, totally for free, since this is part of a quest!
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Cool little economy bypass here, but you get to reshape the glaive for free after completing the first campaign mission. gently caress yes
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GoGoGadgetChris posted:Cool little economy bypass here, but you get to reshape the glaive for free after completing the first campaign mission. Oh, look, I still have a Hunter I need to run through the main story! And a glaive with enough levels to get the enhanced perks I want!
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This is the season when the number of hours I've spent playing Destiny aligns with my light level...
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slow_twitch posted:This is exactly me right now too lol.. They really need an undo button for dismantling. Several times I was on a dismantling spree and accidentally dismantled something important which I had forgotten to lock or even worse that I unlocked and then dismantled out of muscle memory. I'm sure it would be ripe* for abuse but it's like shutting your car door and then immediately realizing that you locked the keys inside. It's weird how I log in to destiny to do rote tasks while doing something else. I.e. dismantling stuff from my full bank or playing dressup or running on "autopilot" through strikes / gambit while listening to podcasts or a youtube video or tabbing out between deaths to take care of something on my second screen. It's the perfect "secondary" game but sometimes when I need to focus on it for hard content I don't want to play it that much outside of soloing content that should have a fireteam. Even though I've played daily probably 85% of the time since launch in 2017. I should look on the historical heatmap (https://chrisfried.github.io/secret-scrublandeux/) to see but I don't want to know at the same time. Also, I too have been getting a lot of emotes especially exotic ones from bright engrams since wq hit. Maybe they re-weighted what drops from engrams? As in, maybe it gives you something you're missing before giving you a duplicate item. Verdugo fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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I've also gotten 3 or 4 emotes. Usually it's just some purple sparrow dupe from year 1.
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Do 2nd & 3rd characters need to do the campaign again?
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Do you think the Witness and the Winnower are the same thing? Unveiling sounds like the Actual Light vs. The Dark so idk but I hope not.
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Do you think the Witness and the Winnower are the same thing? I don't think so. Darkness seems to have a kind of casual, relaxed tone (Sit down, Oryx, my man, relax) whereas Witness has a bit more... self-importance/drama student your pale heart holds the key Paracelsus posted:Do 2nd & 3rd characters need to do the campaign again? yeah, if you want to unlock wellspring and other stuffs. dunno about raid. and, is it just me, but did they shift the titan bubble up a bit? like it used to be if on a flat surface it'd be a half-sphere, but now it's moved up so you can see the curving bottom half
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Eight years of destiny and we've seen more of the darkness and literally know nothing more about the traveler since the day we woke up in the cosmodrome Like why not just get a ship and fly onto/into the traveler and take a poke around
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That's something an agent of the darkness would say! CAPTURE HIS GHOST AND KILL HIM
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Bobby Deluxe posted:Do you think the Witness and the Winnower are the same thing? I believe the Traveler is confirmed? to be the Gardener so the Witness has to be the Winnower yeah. The Witness speaks vaguely at the Traveler with such familiarity after all.
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dodgeblan posted:so the big twist Or maybe she did know pre rez - the temple of sathona was a long lost memento to her past self, but it's her throne world, and as she says on the way up to the ritual, everything that is said and done there is known to her. So maybe she already knew she was rezzable and that's why she turned the ghosts as Osiris. 2ndly yes, it's also possible that the traveller wanted to hide in her throne world where the witness couldn't get to it. The traveller has a history of running, from the Harmony to the Eliksni. The whole thing about rasputin nuking it to stop it fleeing has been retconned as a joke Uldren put on guardian twitter. muike posted:Unveiling sounds like the Actual Light vs. The Dark so idk but I hope not.
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I'm really not certain how much of Gardener and Winnower we're supposed to read as, like, literal vs allegorical. Is there an actual like, being looking down on the universe? Or is it an anthropomization of a fundamental force/system. Although in the second case we'd have to ask whose sending the messages. As for Traveler and Savathun's plan: I don't think that the Traveler actually wanted to be hid away, as much as it wants anything. First, as mentioned, Rasputin did not force it to stay, it chose to do so. Its methods/motives have changed. It has also directly intervened to save humanity on multiple occasions- the original collapse, Ghaul, apparently it actually made a shield during the Almighty crash, and end of Arrivals/start of Beyond Light. Additionally, there is a bit in Unveiling, talking about how the Gardener/Traveler is making a final stand/gambit, which informs us of the Darkness/Winnower/Witness' motives re: convincing Guardians to turn away from the Traveler rather than just smashing everything. So Traveler still trying to run would undo that. Third is Fynch- while there are some bad apple ghosts who seem to delight in helping the Hive gently caress up Guardians/Humans (Immaru), Fynch honestly seems flabbergasted that 'his' knight turned out bad? But why, it's so obvious that's what would happen... or is it? The Hive Risen would come back without memories- so there's no reason Hive Risen would immediately default to sacrifices and fighting humans/guardians. In fact, one of this week's lucent moth lorebooks points to this! Fynch probably expected (naively) that Hive Risen would not fight Guardians, and would work as... maybe not friends or even allies, but at least not draining each other of light and killing ghosts. So I think Fynch is kind of a stand-in for the Traveler here- it's handing out this power for the philosophical belief that those with it would, more often than not, do good and cooperate (again, somewhat detailed in Unveiling). But Savathun and the Hive were already prepared to counter-act the memory loss and indoctrinate new Hive and inform Savathun of her plan. Which brings us to Savathun, finally. First, she's probably somewhat incorrect that the Traveler would be safe in her throneworld, on account of it already has a Pyramid inside it and is under attack by Scorn/Darkness anyway... but second is that she actually seems to have a disconnect of what she thinks the Guardians are fighting for vs what they are. Her dying words were all "oh I could've protected the Traveler for you, isn't that what you want?" but as Ikora said earlier in the same mission, the goal is not to protect the Traveler itself, it is to protect humanity and the Traveler facilitates that. And that's the fundamental difference in philosophy between the Light/Dark. And there's the tragedy- Sathona and her sisters could've been champions of the Light, whether as proto-Hive (remember that a big portion of why they do what they do was to save their race, although it was a trick, and that was perverted into 'power for its own sake') or as new Risen. Now I mean yeah sure she's a tricky goddess of lies and such but I do think we're supposed to take her at face value once we show her the worm memory and start getting the 'thread cutter' buffs- we're cutting through her web of lies to the heart of things, and that means her honest thoughts and feelings. The Traveler doesn't know the future, it doesn't know what people will do with the Light. To some extent I'm not even sure it can make plans, because those are essentially, of the Darkness (the excising of the infinite potential ways things could be in favour of the one design most advantageous for the planner). It just kind of... does things as "this is new/interesting". Though as mentioned, one this it does actually seem to really want is for humanity to survive. But in any case I don't think it wanted Savathun to do anything specific, in the same way it didn't want Dredgen Yor or the Warlords to do what they do, it wants those with power to act in ways that benefit others. So Savathun and her Lucent Brood immediately murking Guardians and draining their Light, or Savathun moving the Traveler which would result in Guardians being powerless and thus humans (and the Eliksni in the Tower, and the weakening of Awoken and Caitl's Cabal) being defenseless... e; oh yeah, there's also Harbiger/Hawkmoon as another instance where the Traveler has apparently directly influenced/helped an active Guardian- again, why do that if it's plan was to peace out asap? Mazerunner fucked around with this message at 07:09 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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I hope that if/when they make a Destiny 3, Bungie figures out a way to keep players engaged without this fuckin' monotonous power level grind. I just finished the excellent Witch Queen campaign, and then spent a few hours trying to make sense of all these quests, grinding bounties, etc, before realizing I don't want to do this anymore. In previous xpacs, I'd at least get ready ready. I think I might just watch it on youtube this time.
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