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cinci zoo sniper posted:What is the point of this post? apt summary
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Russia has several different large police-like armies, and tons of random conscripts to prop the numbers. They would, realistically speaking, only need to lock down the two Russian cities that matter at all - Moscow, and St. Petersburg. There is a lot of land between Moscow and Ukraine that Russia needs to keep open for logistics.
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evilweasel posted:Conscripts sound like not-ideal troops to order to shoot your own citizens. I strongly doubt we’ll come to the point where they’re shooting citizens. They have hundreds of thousands of police-esque forces equipped for riot control. Conscript padding would only go in as much as to be a human wall performing encirclement of protests, so that they actually jail a few tens of thousands, to make an example out of them. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 03:12 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Judakel posted:The sources were the same ones posted here with pro-Ukrainian content. I editted it, but not the Azel guy claiming black people were being forbidden from leaving Ukraine.
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Mar 3, 2022 03:07
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TulliusCicero posted:Correct me if I'm wrong here but doesn't martial law require you to pull forces to put in your own cities?doesn't seem like the best option during an invasion There are a lot of cops in Russia, and they're probably more likely to get violent with their own citizens than the army.
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What other crazy aspects of post-Ussr culture do i need to know to properly understand this conflict
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cinci zoo sniper posted:This would be, but you could reach a conclusion that the West continues its attack on Russia by trying to destabilise the government now that it has rocked the economy boat. Ya they're gonna say the west is trying to destabilize and then anyone who protests gets labeled as paid by foreign agitators
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I strongly doubt we’ll come to the point where they’re shouting citizens. They have hundreds of thousands of police-esque forces equipped for riot control. Conscript padding would only go in as much as to be a human wall performing encirclement of protests, so that they actually jail a few tens of thousands, to make an example out of them. If you have protests of tens of thousands of people, do you really want a bunch of people with guns with no real loyalty to your regime there who are there because you made them be? I can’t see how that’s a good plan. There’s a reason that dictators generally want their armies away from the capital except their most loyal elite group.
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Mar 3, 2022 03:09
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My fellow western conspirators. It is time for the final color revolution.
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Do y'all realize that martial law basically gives the state free hands to do anything they want kind of legally? For Russia it means they have to put 0 effort into hiding/obfuscating (well, they suck at it anyways) all the bad stuff. Curfews, more heavy handed protest dispersals, more blocked websites etc. Basically legal basis to turn up the heat against people undermining the national sentiment.
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Mar 3, 2022 03:09
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CommieGIR posted:Russia is not lacking in force, just lacking in forces stationed anywhere near Ukraine. Keep in mind too that most of the soldiers in Russia are literally living off the land. By that I mean they have to have the civilian population of that area feed them. Russia is currently unable to feed the 120,000 people it has in the country, which shows the instability of its economic prowess. But it also shows what the limit of this thing is. Like they may have activated the belarusians ETC but that was a one shot go. They don't have any more forces that can be anything but a clog in their major arteries Заражена бодатая WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Gorman Thomas posted:Thanks for the read, didn't know the average Ukranian nationalist was such a fan of comparative literature! I think I understand your underpinning question, wherein you may have speculated that “orcs” is used to call Russian Muslims from, e.g., Chechnya or Dagestan, as savages or to the sort. To that end, I can only regretfully inform you that there’s a wealth of very specific slurs in Russian and Ukrainian languages both. Ukrainian language even has a specific slur for a generic Russian, much like Russian does for a generic Ukrainian.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:What is the point of this post? That's basically what it boiled down to. More interesting would be to provide some information on Ukrainian offensive and defensive movements relative to Russian forward progress, instead of just criticizing people discussing "Ukrainian memes" while saying "Russia is winning on all fronts". It doesn't mean it's inaccurate, but explain to everyone in the thread why Russia is winning on all fronts relative to what we are seeing reported, instead of using 2,000 words to basically say nothing of use besides "They're winning on all fronts." Edit: Let me add: Someone saying that Russia is winning the war, and on all fronts, carries about much weight when not provided with proper sources as reliable individuals on Twitter. Explain the progress on the fronts and link to sources that back it up. Saint Kyivanka fucked around with this message at 03:14 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:There is a lot of land between Moscow and Ukraine that Russia needs to keep open for logistics. Rural Russia (literally anything except those two cities) is very conservative, and pro-government. There are strong regional movements, but almost all of those are beyond the Urals.
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Mar 3, 2022 03:11
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:What other crazy aspects of post-Ussr culture do i need to know to properly understand this conflict red borscht good, white borscht bad
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Mar 3, 2022 03:13
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https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1499127552509722627?s=20&t=oClIvFEhIwoJtZVP3Z6BZg
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Mar 3, 2022 03:14
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Martial law without Netflix seems unnecessarily brutal, the man has no sense of proportion
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Saint Kyivanka posted:That's basically what it boiled down to. The chain started with what posters thought was some grand encirclement of the Russian Doom Convoy at Marakiv. I pointed out that there is exactly one source about Marakiv which was from Ukrainian facebook, that the OG source did not claim that it trap any Russians at all and that was 3rd party conjecture with no information for backup. I then added the post that you quoted to add context as to why Marakiv is likely to be a minor win for Ukraine even if all that we wished came to pass since the Russians are already widening the cordon well beyond Marakiv by Ukrainian admission at Zhytomyr. Maybe because it wasn't just cheerleading/anti-Russian memes that caused to gloss over the information from that post.
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1499127552509722627?s=20&t=oClIvFEhIwoJtZVP3Z6BZg Some Russians displaying extraordinary courage even just speaking publicly right now.
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more like nyetflix
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evilweasel posted:I really did not expect it to become a new Olympic sport where nations compete on who can contribute the most anti-tank missiles to Ukraine. Someone in this thread mused that the reaction of various nations might be driven in part by everyone being fed up with Putin and Co messing in their local politics. Feels like there might be some truth there.
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evilweasel posted:If you have protests of tens of thousands of people, do you really want a bunch of people with guns with no real loyalty to your regime there who are there because you made them be? I can’t see how that’s a good plan. The same is true for Moscow, the bases around it are very cushy. I have a pal who served there as a conscript recently, in missile defence forces. He had a very good time, compared to another pal who had to either shape snow into perfect pavement bricks in his rural base, or farm on his sergeant’s World of Tanks account in the afternoon shift. When I mean conscripts, I mean people standing there without firearms, just with riot shields and batons, supervised by greater numbers of actual cops, who’ll likely be better equipped. And heavy armour blocking key roads if necessary.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Ya they're gonna say the west is trying to destabilize and then anyone who protests gets labeled as paid by foreign agitators Speaking of that, my soros check is late. Anyone else got theirs?
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Charlotte Hornets posted:Do y'all realize that martial law basically gives the state free hands to do anything they want kind of legally? For Russia it means they have to put 0 effort into hiding/obfuscating (well, they suck at it anyways) all the bad stuff. They don’t really need martial law for any of that anyway.
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It would be a funny historical parallel if Putin's rule ended because of a foreign war, considering how one of the things that began the downfall of the Tsars was them throwing Russian soldiers into the meatgrinder of WWI and people getting sick of it
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/YourAnonNews/status/1499127552509722627?s=20&t=oClIvFEhIwoJtZVP3Z6BZg Calling Khodorkovsky an "opposition leader" is extremely generous. He's an oligarch who made it super-rich during the dark days of the 90s, and who Putin cracked down on in 2003. Not a good person by any stretch of the imagination, and certainly not someone that most Russians are going to take their cues from. Jordan7hm posted:Some Russians displaying extraordinary courage even just speaking publicly right now. He lives in the UK; he's gonna be fine.
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Shifty Pony posted:Someone in this thread mused that the reaction of various nations might be driven in part by everyone being fed up with Putin and Co messing in their local politics. I hear that Hillary Clinton herself donated 10 Javelins to Ukraine, personally signed with "But her emails" on it.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:or farm on his sergeant’s World of Tanks account in the afternoon shift. That's actually a thing?
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Jordan7hm posted:Some Russians displaying extraordinary courage even just speaking publicly right now. This guy is on Putin’s kill list for years, and lives in London. Putin hosed him over like $50bn, before which he was one of the richest oligarchs of Russia.
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FlamingLiberal posted:It would be a funny historical parallel if Putin's rule ended because of a foreign war, considering how one of the things that began the downfall of the Tsars was them throwing Russian soldiers into the meatgrinder of WWI and people getting sick of it Didn't Yeltsin also start the Chechnya war thinking it'd be an ez curbstomp to boost his numbers with a rally-round-the-flag-effect?
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Majorian posted:He lives in the UK; he's gonna be fine. Uh, I think there are a few examples of that not being fine. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Sergei_and_Yulia_Skripal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
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downout posted:Speaking of that, my soros check is late. Anyone else got theirs? Yes but I stupidly asked for it to be in rubles.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Keep in mind too that most of the soldiers in Russia are literally living off the land. By that I mean they have to have the civilian population of that area feed them. Feeding them is one thing, lack of food supplies making it through to the front probably indicates fuel, ammo and replacement parts aren’t making it through in sufficient quantities either. It’s one thing to raid a local shop for food but they aren’t likely to find 20,000L of diesel or HE tank rounds in random Ukrainian villages.
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MikeC posted:That's actually a thing? Yes, there’s a hardcore (in a bad way) hazing culture in Russian army, focused on exploiting and terrorising conscripts, especially early on. There’s also a lot of corruption involved, with wealth of stories about conscripts mowing lawn for generals’ palaces, and simpler stuff like the World of Tanks example I mentioned. It’s a game that is very popular with military-oriented men in Russia. Russian servers’ concurrent player count for World of Tanks would be like a top 3 game on Steam by CCUs.
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Sir John Falstaff posted:Uh, I think there are a few examples of that not being fine. He's high-enough profile, and probably has enough protection from the British government at this point, that I don't think he'll get Litvenenko-ed.
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It's not just the botched ground invasion, I think Russia has done a really lousy job with their cyber attacks and propaganda/disinformation campaigns as well.
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Pook Good Mook posted:Ya they're gonna say the west is trying to destabilize https://twitter.com/Sino_Market/status/1499198212476837891?cxt=HHwWhoCp6Zi1nM4pAAAA
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FlamingLiberal posted:It would be a funny historical parallel if Putin's rule ended because of a foreign war, considering how one of the things that began the downfall of the Tsars was them throwing Russian soldiers into the meatgrinder of WWI and people getting sick of it i mean its what partly happened to the soviets(the afghan war was a shitshow for them etc and it sped up the implosion) and yeltsin got hosed by getting a black out drunk thief run his army to its death in the first Chechen war. Putin became popular because he solved those issues(basically insanely brutal oppression, false flag poo poo and then putting gently caress face family in charge) now he has done the same thing but possibly worse then both.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:This guy is on Putin’s kill list for years, and lives in London. Putin hosed him over like $50bn, before which he was one of the richest oligarchs of Russia. Yeah, last thing we need is to praise some oligarch who got rich during the 90s, couldn't stay in his lane (business) and started having political aspirations. Had his cake and wanted to eat it too.
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BoldFace posted:It's not just the botched ground invasion, I think Russia has done a really lousy job with their cyber attacks and propaganda/disinformation campaigns as well. They probably weren’t expecting to need to disinfo a prolonged invasion and may have been more prepared for stuff pertaining to captured nazis.
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