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People have incredibly hot takes about Lamar Jackson at quarterback for some reason pretty much universally. I've watched a large number of Ravens games and there's no point where I would say he was a terrible quarterback. He definitely had a peak year two that he hasn't gotten back to, but I feel like people overstate his peaks and valleys. Hopefully he's in a better situation health-wise next season then he was this year, He's fun to watch when healthy.
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lol I said I wanted to spent more time with the fam but it’s been 5 weeks and that’s enough of that. https://twitter.com/NFLSTROUD/status/1499144980107038726
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Mar 3, 2022 00:02
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YOLOsubmarine posted:I don’t think there are “plenty” of rookie QBs that have gone to bad teams with bad coaches and played well. Luck is one, and we saw how that worked out long term. Maybe Burrow depending on what you think about Zac Taylor but it’s pretty obvious that the Bengals were a well coached team on defense this year and had a ton of offensive firepower so you can’t really give him all of the credit. In addition to the two names you mentioned, Kyler and Baker also played well in spite of finding themselves dropped into a poo poo zone. I can't really remember far enough back to the state of the rosters when they were drafted, but I'm imagining Cam, Jamies, Mariota—or just about any QB drafted in the top 5—weren't walking into fertile territory either. Obviously those guys aren't all world beaters, but they had solid rookie campaigns; certainly way better than the non-Mac rookies of last year had. The Urban Meyer experience is maybe an exception, but the other three guys don't find themselves in uniquely bad situations.
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Mar 3, 2022 00:06
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Part of what made the early Cam Newton story so fun is that Jimmy Clausen had literally just absolutely cratered in the exact same situation. People forget how good the first couple of years of Cam Newton were.
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Mar 3, 2022 00:18
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Diva Cupcake posted:lol I said I wanted to spent more time with the fam but it’s been 5 weeks and that’s enough of that. Train for the senior pga and stay gone you bastard That would probably piss off Michael Jordan to if he were successful at it. Bonus points
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Mar 3, 2022 00:22
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Diva Cupcake posted:lol I said I wanted to spent more time with the fam but it’s been 5 weeks and that’s enough of that. this is a man that just feels the wrinkles start to develop whenever people aren't talking about him
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Mar 3, 2022 00:35
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Eifert Posting posted:Part of what made the early Cam Newton story so fun is that Jimmy Clausen had literally just absolutely cratered in the exact same situation. People forget how good the first couple of years of Cam Newton were. I was just going to post this. The team still wasn't *great*, but he was special right from the start.
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Mar 3, 2022 00:47
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The only thing Clausen ever accomplished was being owned by Fiz on twitter.
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Mar 3, 2022 00:52
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Eventually I'm going to stop thinking people are talking about the guard when they say Michael Jordan.
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Mar 3, 2022 00:54
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:The only thing Clausen ever accomplished was being owned by Fiz on twitter. Someone please remind me what that was again, I’m completely blanking on the Fiz-Pickles stuff.
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Mar 3, 2022 00:55
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The only two things I remember about Jimmy Clausen are the picture where he showing off his high school rings and the picture where Cam Newton is pretending to shoot him with a shotgun.
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Mar 3, 2022 01:05
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fsif posted:In addition to the two names you mentioned, Kyler and Baker also played well in spite of finding themselves dropped into a poo poo zone. I can't really remember far enough back to the state of the rosters when they were drafted, but I'm imagining Cam, Jamies, Mariota—or just about any QB drafted in the top 5—weren't walking into fertile territory either. Obviously those guys aren't all world beaters, but they had solid rookie campaigns; certainly way better than the non-Mac rookies of last year had. Lance hardly played, Wilson is on a team that’s in season 1 of a rebuild and Fields got pressed into service running the an offense that his lame duck head coach designed for Andy Dalton. I’ve got no doubt that Fields in particular was in one of the absolute worst spots in the NFL with Matt Nagy and the whole team phoning it in. Cam was definitely a guy that changed the team drastically by his presence but he was an almost completely unique athlete and Chud was willing to play to his unique strengths. If he’d gone to Arians or somewhere and been asked to drop back 40 times a game and air it out he would have been awful. YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Mar 3, 2022 01:07
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Eifert Posting posted:People have incredibly hot takes about Lamar Jackson at quarterback for some reason pretty much universally. I've watched a large number of Ravens games and there's no point where I would say he was a terrible quarterback. He definitely had a peak year two that he hasn't gotten back to, but I feel like people overstate his peaks and valleys. Maybe terrible is the wrong word, but he definitely wasnt throwing the ball. They designed that offense to keep him from throwing his rookie year. And I agree that people overvalue his peaks and valleys.
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Mar 3, 2022 01:10
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fsif posted:Maybe this better proves your point considering how bad rookie year Allen was, but Allen went to a team with a horrible roster. Didn't the Bills go 9-7 and go to the playoffs the year before they drafted Allen? With Tyrod Taylor at QB? They also had pretty strong drafts, in my opinion, in 2018 and 19. But most importantly they were a competently-run organization, and Allen has worked with the same coach and GM, both of whom are relatively lauded around the league, his entire career. Compare that to players who go to poo poo teams with poo poo rosters and coaching staffs that go in and out with the tides. I would absolutely take the bet that Lawrence, Wilson, Lance or Fields will find success in the NFL. Fields is who I'm probably most nervous about, and Lawrence is the one who I think is almost guaranteed to find success (provided the Jaguars get their heads out of their asses or he finds his way to a good team). But I think Wilson and Lance have decent chances too, especially Lance who we've seen almost none of. If it's actually true that they will all be bad, which came first, the chicken or the egg? Or in this case, the lack of talent or the bad team? It gets very difficult to separate them, but I think it's abundantly clear that there are and have been QBs out there who would've been rousing successes had they gone to different teams, or would've been failures in the same way. quote:There's basically no other QBs drafted in like the last 15 years that had a bad rookie season* This is totally wrong imo, bad rookie seasons are absolutely the norm and it's unusual when it doesn't happen like that.
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Mar 3, 2022 01:34
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fartknocker posted:Someone please remind me what that was again, I’m completely blanking on the Fiz-Pickles stuff. Well a bunch of back and forth bickering that devolved into Clausen posting a photo of his girlfriend to make some point and Fiz reverse image searched it and found it was some random stock model. Iirc.
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Mar 3, 2022 01:43
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Lance hardly played, Wilson is on a team that’s in season 1 of a rebuild and Fields got pressed into service running the an offense that his lame duck head coach designed for Andy Dalton. None of those are uniquely bad situations for a top pick. If you have a pick good enough to get you a top QB prospect, your team is probably bad. But even past that, Lance had a uniquely *good* situation and ended up looking lost and unable to dethrone a middling Garappolo. Zach Wilson was soundly outperformed by three practice squad caliber QBs. Fields was in a tough situation but no worse than, like, being under Hue Jackson.
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Mar 3, 2022 01:56
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Well a bunch of back and forth bickering that devolved into Clausen posting a photo of his girlfriend to make some point and Fiz reverse image searched it and found it was some random stock model. Iirc. Yeah but the best part was Clausen doubling down saying it really was his girlfriend but didn’t have any pics of them together which had Fiz drop the line “Pretend I’m a linebacker dropping into coverage and give me the pics” Then Pickles blocked him
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Mar 3, 2022 01:59
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Play posted:Didn't the Bills go 9-7 and go to the playoffs the year before they drafted Allen? With Tyrod Taylor at QB? The Bills probably overperformed that year and the roster was absolutely gutted after that playoff appearance. They lost their three good starting offensive linemen in Glenn, Incognito, and Wood. Shady ran out of gas. Their top receivers were Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones, and Andre Holmes. It was worse from a player perspective than any rookie QB this past season had. quote:This is totally wrong imo, bad rookie seasons are absolutely the norm and it's unusual when it doesn't happen like that. Who are these QBs from the last 15 years that had bad rookie years that went on to be good starters then? There's Allen, maaaaybe Stafford, and then? Burrow, Herbert, Kyler, Mayfield, Jackson, Watson, Mahomes (in that one game!), and Prescott all had good rookie years.
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fsif posted:The Bills probably overperformed that year and the roster was absolutely gutted after that playoff appearance. They lost their three good starting offensive linemen in Glenn, Incognito, and Wood. Shady ran out of gas. Their top receivers were Kelvin Benjamin, Zay Jones, and Andre Holmes. It was worse from a player perspective than any rookie QB this past season had. Lamar Jackson sucked rear end as a rookie
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Mar 3, 2022 02:36
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He went 6-1 in the regular season and rushed for nearly 100 yards a game.
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Mar 3, 2022 02:41
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fsif posted:He went 6-1 in the regular season and rushed for nearly 100 yards a game. He also threw for like 80 yards a game
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Eifert Posting posted:People have incredibly hot takes about Lamar Jackson at quarterback for some reason pretty much universally. I've watched a large number of Ravens games and there's no point where I would say he was a terrible quarterback. He definitely had a peak year two that he hasn't gotten back to, but I feel like people overstate his peaks and valleys. Yeah he's not that terrible of a passer. The big problem with Lamar is his decision making. Even his rookie year he was limited but the numbers are not that awful for a rookie at all.
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fsif posted:None of those are uniquely bad situations for a top pick. If you have a pick good enough to get you a top QB prospect, your team is probably bad. Baker only played 6 games for Hue, but sure, that’s a good example of coaching mattering. Hue Post Hue QBR 81.7 109.5 PCT 58.2 68.4 Y/G 245 281 TD/G 1 2.375 Sacks/G 3.33 .625 If Baker had been stuck with Hue for a couple more years he’d be another example for you to use in your “rookies who suck would have always sucked and will always suck” argument. And Baker got to come in at the end of the “tank for picks and cap space” strategy when they were actually drafting and spending. He was meant to be the last piece of the rebuild, not the first like Fields and Wilson. YOLOsubmarine fucked around with this message at 03:38 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y5g9UfCVnI
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YOLOsubmarine posted:Baker only played 6 games for Hue, but sure, that’s a good example of coaching mattering. I've lost the thread. No idea why you're dissecting Baker's good rookie year. Just name a recent QB with a bad rookie year that ended up being good.
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fsif posted:I've lost the thread. No idea why you're dissecting Baker's good rookie year. Just name a recent QB with a bad rookie year that ended up being good. Cousins was pretty bad for like his first three years. There aren’t that many QBs, let alone good ones. You can tell a just so story to confirm whatever idea you already have about them
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Mar 3, 2022 04:09
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fsif posted:Zach Wilson was soundly outperformed by three practice squad caliber QBs.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:lmao no, Zach Wilson was not "soundly outperformed" by the practice squad rookies, and you're full of poo poo for saying so. I was talking about Mike White, Josh Johnson, and Joe Flacco.
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fsif posted:I've lost the thread. No idea why you're dissecting Baker's good rookie year. Just name a recent QB with a bad rookie year that ended up being good. The thread is “circumstances matter to rookie QBs and at least some of the guys who flame out would have done fine and maybe even well if they hadn’t ended up on bad teams running offenses that weren’t at all suited to their talents.” Baker is a good example of a guy who was salvaged by a coaching change that happened early enough that he wasn’t ruined.
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You know, one of the really weird things about growing up is having people like Ryan Leaf go from "twice your age" to "closer to your age than most people you know"
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SKULL.GIF posted:You know, one of the really weird things about growing up is having people like Ryan Leaf go from "twice your age" to "closer to your age than most people you know" I spent so much of my teenage life and even my twenties hating Ryan Leaf so much. Now I couldn't be happier for him and am glad he's pulled his life together. And freaking agreed on the age thing
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a neat cape posted:I spent so much of my teenage life and even my twenties hating Ryan Leaf so much. Yeah I remember people from Pullman telling me stories about him and his buddies rolling into a bar and pulling the “Do you know who I am? I could buy this place!” poo poo I’m glad he’s not that guy anymore
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didn't he get into a domestic abuse thing like not even 2 years ago?
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Mar 3, 2022 06:39
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just a misdemeanor minor battery in 2020 lol, nbd.
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Dudes can beat women or children and get a steady NFL paycheck Until they suck at football
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Ches Neckbeard posted:Analytics says that if your QB has a tendency to throw high you should collect short receivers What the gently caress is an Andy Isabella?!
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fsif posted:I was talking about Mike White, Josh Johnson, and Joe Flacco. If you're going to compare real starters to backups you've never heard of who get to play the Bengals you're going to think there isn't a single good quarterback in the league.
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fsif posted:I was talking about Mike White, Josh Johnson, and Joe Flacco.
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Joey Freshwater posted:Yeah but the best part was Clausen doubling down saying it really was his girlfriend but didn’t have any pics of them together which had Fiz drop the line Every time I hear Clausen, I think of this line and literally laugh out loud. Doesn't matter where I'm at, it's just too perfect a line.
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https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1499415111269855235?s=20&t=Ne2VCvVN0H3IzttPLuxMPQ This guy just dropped out of the first round
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