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Sorry to post about posters, but lollontee is a famous Putin Understander from the FinnPol thread, replying to him in good faith will not achieve any results. Interesting that he decided to surface here as well.
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lollontee posted:tell me more about how this erasure of identity is happening? because there are identities that definately should not exist. like nazi identity It is happening through artillery shells and rockets being fired at civilian populations and tank threads rolling over the country and its people. Are you saying the Ukranians are all nazis and therefore shouldn't exist? Does the indiscriminate shelling actually determine who's racist and who's not? Are the "good Ukranians" shielded from debris and shrapnel killing them?
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fnox posted:There is an overwhelming military force pushing right now to conquer a sovereign country in Europe and erase its identity. This poster you are arguing with used articles from an actual Russian neonazi site spreading hardcore anti-Semitic propaganda to show the Ukrainians were part of a Western cabal conspiracy against Russia in the last thread. This is in no way an exaggeration, it is a measured description of what happened. Make your decision whether you want engage.
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lollontee posted:if you think that debating russian objectives in THEE ukraine is making excuses for Putin, id call that a bit of an emotional kneejerk reaction. also, um... genocide? You can not do this, you know?
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barbecue at the folks posted:Sorry to post about posters, but lollontee is a famous Putin Understander from the FinnPol thread, replying to him in good faith will not achieve any results. Interesting that he decided to surface here as well. And a genuine Nazi propaganda spreader.
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Sandweed posted:If I was Ukrainian and looked at the other Russian client states like Belarus or Chechnya i would not want to fall under their thumb at all. That's a big part of why all started in the first place, Ukraine used to be more neutral between the West and Russia in the 90s, but younger generations saw how much better off Poland has become and aspired to join the EU as well. Of course this is incomprehensible to Putin who seems to genuinely believe that Ukrainians want to be part of Russia and the only reason Zelensky was in power was because he was propped up by the CIA and other rogue Western agents.
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Terminal autist posted:Iron cross in the twitter  lol
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barbecue at the folks posted:Sorry to post about posters, but lollontee is a famous Putin Understander from the FinnPol thread, replying to him in good faith will not achieve any results. Interesting that he decided to surface here as well. Oh, he posted here before (or maybe in the EE thread just before the splitoff). For actual content - how's the situation in Kharkov?
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I took a look at the post history out of curiosity There's some pretty amazing stuff in there lollontee posted:your paranoid delusions of russian invasion of ukraine do not argument good make lollontee posted:sure, why not! you could call it a dozen things, but seeing any of them as hostile while we are talking about a sovereign nation moving soldiers inside its border, confronted with a global Empire most definately moving its soldiers outside its internationally recognized borders, you can sort of start to see a certain dichotomy of insanity in the emotional reaction to it? ... you are Vyacheslav Volodin and I claim my £5? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) ronya fucked around with this message at 11:03 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Russian Navy launches missile strike on Bangladesh-flagged ship in Olbia port - crew member killed in attack Bangladesh sure must feel good about their UN vote abstention.
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No fountain diving for you old man, happy deployment to hell https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1499320660476182529?t=0qH-_twt-5SUZBWyib7NKA&s=19
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hmmm, posting about posters, eh?Paracausal posted:The 'far-right' received ~2% of the vote, not passing the minimum threshold and have no seats in parliament (https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium-the-far-right-just-got-humiliated-in-ukraine-s-election-but-don-t-write-it-off-1.7563138). How on earth is that stretched to be 'denazification is a matter of perspective', it's basically reciting FSB propaganda. And then comparing to the amount of nazi's after WW2? Please go do some reflection on how absolutely insulting that is to the people of Ukraine. you dont need to win elections when you got two divisions of SS to enforce your politics with impunity, especially in a country where state authority is minimal
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fatherboxx posted:No fountain diving for you old man, happy deployment to hell Definitely not the very model of a modern major general
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yes zelenskyy, a jew with ancestors who died in the holocaust, is deploying the SS - a brain as smooth as polished marble
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fnox posted:It is happening through artillery shells and rockets being fired at civilian populations and tank threads rolling over the country and its people. Are you saying the Ukranians are all nazis and therefore shouldn't exist? Does the indiscriminate shelling actually determine who's racist and who's not? Are the "good Ukranians" shielded from debris and shrapnel killing them? pretty sure thats just war in an urban setting, which is always brutal and heavy with civilian casualties, not actually genocide (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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lollontee posted:pretty sure thats just war in an urban setting, which is always brutal and heavy with civilian casualties, not actually genocide You are a disgusting human being. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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lollontee posted:pretty sure thats just war in an urban setting, which is always brutal and heavy with civilian casualties, not actually genocide Just so you're aware, this is the "actually it's ephebophilia" of war.
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fatherboxx posted:No fountain diving for you old man, happy deployment to hell The Russian Paratroopers Union must be writing a lot of angry PMs and notes right now
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lollontee posted:if you think that debating russian objectives in THEE ukraine is making excuses for Putin, id call that a bit of an emotional kneejerk reaction. also, um... genocide?
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Competing interpretations of the same phone call; illustrative of the differing priorities: https://twitter.com/lingli_vienna/status/1499302436594503680 Left - Russian, Right - Chinese 
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Cities being razed: just spicy police action Ukrainians and Uyghurs existing: genocide So glad for the dedication of these forums to having "constructive" decorous debate with "valuable counter views", exactly what the forums needed was to make them into another safe haven for Nazi scum.
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lollontee posted:pretty sure thats just war in an urban setting, which is always brutal and heavy with civilian casualties, not actually genocide Does Putin pay per post or is it some kind a salaried position? Just keen to understand why you keep posting incredibly stupid takes. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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lollontee posted:if you think that debating russian objectives in THEE ukraine is making excuses for Putin, id call that a bit of an emotional kneejerk reaction. also, um... genocide? Even taking your point seriously: Doesn't seem like Putin has been very effective in denazifying Russia, why do you think he'll fare better in another country?
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Paracausal posted:yes zelenskyy, a jew with ancestors who died in the holocaust, is deploying the SS - a brain as smooth as polished marble he cant do anything about them either
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Fame Douglas posted:Even taking your point seriously: Doesn't seem like Putin has been very effective in denazifying Russia, why do you think he'll fare better in another country? because it is crucial for the geopolitical security of russia?
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lollontee posted:pretty sure thats just war in an urban setting, which is always brutal and heavy with civilian casualties, not actually genocide just loving kill yourself, god (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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ronya posted:Competing interpretations of the same phone call; illustrative of the differing priorities: So.. pretty much the same...
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lollontee posted:because it is crucial for the geopolitical security of russia? But the nazis at home are fine? The head of the Wagner group being a neo-nazi doesn't threaten Putin, but he's very worried about nazis in a neighboring state? Also, no one actually believes that Russia was threatened in any way by Ukraine, so spare us.
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Just don't engage, let's not poo poo up the thread for another 4 pages. He's tipped his hand now.
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The next city along the Crimean front after Kherson, Nikolaev, is now being attacked. Couple of bridges on the eastern approach have been destroyed.
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Hello, I would like to report a malfunction of the forum software please. I click on the D&D Ukraine thread for this discussion but it keeps taking me to C-SPAM Ukraine thread instead? 
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ronya posted:I'm sad that I kept seeing posts asking what the endgame is, so I idly sketched what the endgame could be, and nobody told me how stupid that sketch is. So here it is again: So I think the fundamental problem with this sketch is that it assumes that Putin is at all interested in an off-ramp, and I think that everything we've seen from the last week (and indeed the last couple of months) indicates that's not the case at all. This is the big one, Putin has gone all in, and he either wins or dies. I also think that even if there was initially some intent to accept something less than total annexation/Belarusiffication then the problem is that the Kremlin is now in the same dilemma that the beligerants all found themselves in 1915 when trying to formulate their war aims - nothing less than total victory can possibly justify the blood and treasure that has already been spilt on this adventure. Having launched this war, Putin needs to be able to turn to the Russian people (and this history books) and say 'this was worth it'.
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NO gently caress YOU DAD posted:Just so you're aware, this is the "actually it's ephebophilia" of war. have you ever read of an urban battle that didnt involve war crimes? i honestly dont know what the argument here is, other than urban combat is genocide Fame Douglas posted:But the nazis at home are fine? The head of the Wagner group being a neo-nazi doesn't threaten Putin, but he's very worried about nazis in a neighboring state? yeah, russia is concerned about the politics of its neighbours. and NATO does threaten russia
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Drone_Fragger posted:Does Putin pay per post or is it some kind a salaried position? Just keen to understand why you keep posting incredibly stupid takes. I hope they're not getting paid in rubles.
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lollontee posted:because it is crucial for the geopolitical security of russia?
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gay picnic defence posted:I hope they're not getting paid in rubles. I hope they are
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lollontee posted:pretty sure thats just war in an urban setting, which is always brutal and heavy with civilian casualties, not actually genocide So were you just like "i'm bored, gonna go support indiscriminate artillery bombardments on civilians and make people mad lol"?
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https://twitter.com/lingli_vienna/status/1499005571189682176 Anyone who has watched Wolf Warrior 2 may appreciate why this would strike a nerve - Chinese nationalism is an odd space (faintly reminiscent of the US once upon a time) on the ability of its special forces to protect its citizens around the world as emblematic of China's rising power. SirTagz posted:So.. pretty much the same... No, quite different! The Chinese one doesn't mention sanctions or anti-genocide interventionism; it acknowledges that Russia is in the eastern part of Ukraine. China still does not recognize Russia's claim on Crimea, or the DPR or LPR. The Russian one doesn't mention territorial integrity obviously. They're deeply opposed on the key topic of the talk.
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Alchenar posted:So I think the fundamental problem with this sketch is that it assumes that Putin is at all interested in an off-ramp, and I think that everything we've seen from the last week (and indeed the last couple of months) indicates that's not the case at all. This is the big one, Putin has gone all in, and he either wins or dies. This is my biggest concern. The biggest worry is that it's his own ego and emotional state that is driving this rather than political motivations, and that he might decide that if he can't have Ukraine no one can and really go to town on it. That said, I think the west will be quite happy to provide weapons to Ukraine as long as there's people still willing to use them on Russians because I think deep down they'd welcome the prospect of Russia's military getting bogged down in a years long conflict similar to Afghanistan.
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