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Luigi's Discount Porn Bin posted:Azov Battalion and the rest of the far-right lunatic minority in Ukraine isn't a threat to the geopolitical security of Russia. NATO is. Ukraine will certainly get denatofied, but denazification isn't at all necessarily for Putin except as a pretext for an invasion. Ukraine will be trying to join NATO as fast as possible after this. Russia just proved why they need membership: if you don't agree to whatever ridiculous demands Russia states they invade you .
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Drone_Fragger posted:Ukraine will be trying to join NATO as fast as possible after this. Russia just proved why they need membership: if you don't agree to whatever ridiculous demands Russia states they invade you . Yeah, Putin just gave NATO countries all the more reasons to put more funds into their militaries and even elicited a really united response from famously ununited EU. Also, the 'other' thread is just full-on RU propaganda infestation, wow. One guy saying Poland would like to get Lviv back. Had no idea people like that were on SA.
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quote:https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-lavrov-no-doubt-that-solution-ukraine-crisis-will-be-found-2022-03-03/ Apparently "the thought of nuclear is constantly spinning in the heads of Western politicians but not in the heads of Russians", which is a weird thing to say when your government is the one that's been literally threatening to use nukes (although it's obvious saber-rattling). Pursuing the war "to the end" sounds pretty ominous though, but that's unfortunately entirely in line with the actions taken thus far. Memil_K fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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gay picnic defence posted:That said, I think the west will be quite happy to provide weapons to Ukraine as long as there's people still willing to use them on Russians because I think deep down they'd welcome the prospect of Russia's military getting bogged down in a years long conflict similar to Afghanistan. The cynical reason they'd continue to provide weapons is to see how they fare against the Russian military. Like, KMW offering to ship Gepard SPAAGs to Ukraine is salient because the Gepard was phased out in favour of missile based systems. I bet a lot of analysts would love to see Ukraine use Gepards to see if the thinking behind its phaseout was correct. Javelins are getting a good tech demo, and the successes of Turkish drones are great marketing material for them.
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ronya posted:No, quite different! The Chinese one doesn't mention sanctions or anti-genocide interventionism; it acknowledges that Russia is in the eastern part of Ukraine. China still does not recognize Russia's claim on Crimea, or the DPR or LPR. The Russian one doesn't mention territorial integrity obviously. They're deeply opposed on the key topic of the talk. Sry, I forgot the sarcasm tags
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Memil_K posted:https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russias-lavrov-no-doubt-that-solution-ukraine-crisis-will-be-found-2022-03-03/ He is not wrong. For the Russians it's pretty easy - "we have nukes, therefore NATO will not cross the line of direct intervention... the end" while Western countries on the other hand have to take Russian nukes into account at every step, because they are the one thing that stops them from intervening, given that in terms of conventional war NATO could easily defeat* Russia. * Assumption based on combined military spending/economic power/Russian difficulties in Ukraine today.
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Alchenar posted:So I think the fundamental problem with this sketch is that it assumes that Putin is at all interested in an off-ramp, and I think that everything we've seen from the last week (and indeed the last couple of months) indicates that's not the case at all. This is the big one, Putin has gone all in, and he either wins or dies. I think there's a big gulf between troop casualties in the millions versus the thousands, even taking Ukrainian figures as representative! Like right now with the claims that the other side is threatening world war - those are good excuses to de-escalate even with appreciable blood spent. It still points blame at the enemy.
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Terminally Bored posted:Yeah, Putin just gave NATO countries all the more reasons to put more funds into their militaries and even elicited a really united response from famously ununited EU. Remember when Homework Explainer / R. Guyovich was literally a mod of D&D? Who somehow got made the very activist mod of a discussion forum after making a massive unhinged post about Stalinism? Also on other news front, what the gently caress is the west/the IOC doing by banning Russian and Belarusian paralympians from the Paralympics? And banning Russian cats? The optics of that are horrific, even for a Western audience. Like guys, not every organization can or should "DO SOMETHING!!", like the insane people saying "we should shut Russia off from the Internet" or "we should post bad reviews for all Russian restaurants". A lot of these bans seem as stupid as when Russia used a steamroller to crush tons of brie after they took Crimea and France complained. Like I could get banning specific Russian paralympians who are paralympians because they were fighting in Donbass or whatever, but banning the personal competitors seems petty and antagonistic and, if I were Russian, would make me start to hate the west even if I hated Putin even more.
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Saladman posted:Remember when Homework Explainer / R. Guyovich was literally a mod of D&D? Who somehow got made the very activist mod of a discussion forum after making a massive unhinged post about Stalinism? There's a difference between banning Russian and banning the actual athletes - in the past (i think doping issues?) they've had to compete under a different banner "Russian Olympic Competitors" or something, is it not the same now?
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FishMcCool posted:(CW: War) Ukraine v Russia: we should post bad reviews for all Russian restaurants There's a story making the rounds in Finland that people took this advice and started making GBS threads on Russian restaurants inside Finland. There was an interview with the manager of an Ukrainian-owned blini place who was understandably massively frustrated with the situation. People are idiots the world over.
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Saladman posted:"we should post bad reviews for all Russian restaurants". I've seen some campaigns to get people to use Google Maps to give Russian restaurants 5 star reviews, while putting suppressed information about the invasion in the review text (in Russian). I am not sure that kind of information effort even works, but at least it would leave nice reviews ratings when all is said and done.
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Antigravitas posted:The cynical reason they'd continue to provide weapons is to see how they fare against the Russian military. That makes sense too, although they'd want to be careful to avoid too much new tech falling into Russian hands. Probably more of an ancillary benefit rather than the number 1 reason to keep the weapons flowing though.
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distortion park posted:There's a difference between banning Russian and banning the actual athletes - in the past (i think doping issues?) they've had to compete under a different banner "Russian Olympic Competitors" or something, is it not the same now? Yeah, and it was complete bullshit. Now they're completely banned from Olympic games and most sport tournaments. I do agree banning Russian cats and Paraolympics seems petty, tho.
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barbecue at the folks posted:There's a story making the rounds in Finland that people took this advice and started making GBS threads on Russian restaurants inside Finland. There was an interview with the manager of an Ukrainian-owned blini place who was understandably massively frustrated with the situation. People are idiots the world over. This sort of blind nationalism is a time-honoured tradition in times of war. As WWI flared up, people in London and Paris looted and killed store owners who had vaguely Germanic names. If they were German, Dutch or Polish? Who has time to look that up amirite? (Not to mention how it’s not the fault of the Russians living abroad that Putin decided on a little war time).
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Caught up on the thread. Comment: lol On to the news: grab bag, because I'm still waking up Finns doing their part! I think these will be mainly for surveillance and i can't read the labels. Less people who have to risk their lives though https://twitter.com/KatyaYushchenko/status/1499336254068039683?t=g0sMfgQnFcW45IT-wTGipw&s=19 From *earlier today euro time on the black sea. Russian Navy massing for possible landings today https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1499261060121075713?t=d52_lqIIaUMvZw8rxFxMQQ&s=19 Thread on Mariupol. Warning: it's grim. No pictures just descriptions. https://twitter.com/mattia_n/status/1499332705414230021?t=JkU95wbRAJLrqCxR0in-jA&s=19 Comrade weather on side for Ukraine today - the fog makes airstrikes and flying in general difficult https://twitter.com/NikaMelkozerova/status/1499335834109104129?t=8vJhsZa0QOvbNm-BtykLUg&s=19 I saw this bear vs honey badger graphic a few days ago, glad Ukraine has too  https://twitter.com/markmackinnon/status/1499325222121521158?t=Zna4fBt2R-jnLDOcXiG4sg&s=19
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barbecue at the folks posted:There's a story making the rounds in Finland that people took this advice and started making GBS threads on Russian restaurants inside Finland. There was an interview with the manager of an Ukrainian-owned blini place who was understandably massively frustrated with the situation. People are idiots the world over. On the other hand, there was an initiative here to change Russian embassy's google maps entry to categorize it as public toilet, that seems far more appropriate.
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KitConstantine posted:From *earlier today euro time on the black sea. Russian Navy massing for possible landings today Why are they so close, what purpose does that even serve when they're all large cruise missiles and few guns  e: nm I misread, I thought they were off Odessa already NTRabbit fucked around with this message at 12:16 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Heartening: Kyiv is getting fresh food in. Hopefully some can make it to Kharkiv/Mariupol/Odessa/the other cities being shelled atm https://twitter.com/OzKaterji/status/1499315902227038208?t=neQ91_0vrkLCcvJLcb5I2Q&s=19 Edit: photos, and yes both reporters are in Kyiv https://twitter.com/andersostlund/status/1499334714787868674?t=y-6Nr-FesEG_U-ijhkql6w&s=19 Meanwhile, in Russia: https://twitter.com/yaffaesque/status/1499310493063958530?t=6Kxf6DHdshUDKZhT8wEuZg&s=19
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Saladman posted:Remember when Homework Explainer / R. Guyovich was literally a mod of D&D? Who somehow got made the very activist mod of a discussion forum after making a massive unhinged post about Stalinism? Actually, he was admin. And if you think Slavic threads are bad, wait til you see the China threads!!
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Dwesa posted:Yeah, that's quite misdirected. Apparently changes on Maps are reviewed by a human, so I don't think this will succeed.
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Another Russian oligarch yacht was seized. https://twitter.com/pierrebri/status/1499338053206294529 The fact that Putin moved his yacht in early February should have been a clue to the others.
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ronya posted:I think there's a big gulf between troop casualties in the millions versus the thousands, even taking Ukrainian figures as representative! Armies are an order of magnitude smaller, but so is casualty tolerance - even for Russia. It's not so much the millions of dead as it is the proportion of your military that is getting churned up for little apparent gain. This moment isn't about Putin convincing Russians that the West is the enemy - they've spend the last 15 years banging that drum hard. This moment is about convincing Russians that Putin can confront Western hostile interests and win, proving that Russia has been restored to great power status. De-escalation fundamentally isn't an objective here, it would be tantamount to admitting that Putin's grand leadership project has been failure, which aside from being not what he wants also probably means being permamently reduced in stature in Russia and at risk of a palace coup within the next few years. e: I mean Putin needs to 'win or die' literally. As we all know Russian leaders do not historically have good retirement prospects, and the way Putin has run the country means that whoever replaces him has pretty strong incentives to remove him from play entirely. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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lollontee posted:have you ever read of an urban battle that didnt involve war crimes? i honestly dont know what the argument here is, other than urban combat is genocide Putin can be concerned all he wants, but if denazification is his reason for invading Ukraine, we should be concerned just the same, as Putin is apparently unable to even denazify his own country, the one he's authoritarian dictator of. If Putin can't denazify Russia, why would an invasion of Ukraine be justified.
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gay picnic defence posted:Guess we'll find out how well Javelins work on landing craft. I used my free time last night like any true brokebrain and sat in on a twitter space with a bunch of OsInt people who've been monitoring the Syrian war and are now working on Ukraine - apparently the Ukrainian navy got hit hard the first couple of nights in the war but they have a lot of light ships so some may have escaped. But mostly anything sea based is out of commission
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Oh and more independent media people are fleeing Russia and the language they use for why is...evocative https://twitter.com/CarlSchreck/status/1499340825980915715?t=0aU2mA6e_awq5uhbAUceBQ&s=19
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Sorry for the triple post but this doesn't go with the media one. Situation in Donbas is very bad. More evidence that Russia is not allowing evacuation of non combatants. If they were going to allow it you'd think it would be in "recognized independent" territory. https://twitter.com/RebHarms/status/1499295418592763904?t=50FPfavvVTq9EjqbAAVmtg&s=19 https://twitter.com/RebHarms/status/1499296027794452480?t=aKNzTcIfx7vU6SRw2f3Cow&s=19
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gay picnic defence posted:Guess we'll find out how well Javelins work on landing craft. As far as I've picked up, their doctrine is driving amphibious BTRs up on the beach. So you can Javelin them from out in the breakers, through the beach and onto land. Considering how badly they've done just going from A to B on dry land, I imagine landing on a fiercely defended beach is going to be a total disaster. Could be that they've wisely decided against landing at all until they forces on land have captured a safe bit of beach for them. Even then I wouldn't bet on a 100% survival rate.
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Incidentally if people are still suffering from geopolitical shock and want to understand the road to here a bit better, I recommend Keir Giles How Russia gets its way: (assuming it's a continuation of his previous writings in this area, which have been pretty spot on for the 'confront Russia now' camp) https://twitter.com/KeirGiles/status/1499331497425317894
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The Russians are hitting Mariupol really hard. Reports that electricity, heat, and water are all out. They're also shelling stores (specifically a large mall) and a large supermarket for civilian structure de-structionhttps://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1499338019106611200?t=M6XRb-fSGXnragk1lyBqxg&s=19
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Paracausal posted:https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1499345566253436931?t=MzC1GUCa9sEnxyNq_A7dbg&s=19 They have received thousands of stingers, javelins, nlaws and more over the last 24 hours. Their drones have been resupplied. Kyiv was resupplied. They can hit convoys outside major areas in a counterattack briefly.
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Looks like some food got through to Kharkiv. That's a relief (ba dum tish) https://twitter.com/olex_scherba/status/1499300178364350468?t=eJkcdKLYKRI1fiJH8bu8KQ&s=19
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Paracausal posted:Seems like the Ukrainians are done defending? Counter-attacking where? Everywhere? Or locally? I find this doubtful, especially coming from a source that has spread false news before.
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gay picnic defence posted:How long does the mud season typically last? A couple of months? Depends, could last until mid-May.
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Nenonen posted:Counter-attacking where? Everywhere? Or locally? I find this doubtful, especially coming from a source that has spread false news before. Yeah that account has basically been a propaganda outlet from the start of the war so take anything they say with a massive grain of salt until you see confirmations/evidence.
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