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His Divine Shadow posted:I'm in Finland and the alternative to 6 months military service was ~18 months civilian service. So I went for the 6 month option. I lost 20kg during that time, never been as fit since, but I never gained it all back either. Basically all we did was take rolls of signal wire for communications purposes between artillery and command and such, we'd probably carry 40-60kg each of wound up spools and we'd just walk through the woods rolling it out, then roll it back up again.... drat good exercise though. I did enjoy shooting the stägä, 7.62x39mm is a nice caliber. 2tråd will never be obsolete
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Collapsing Farts posted:The only thing Sweden should ever try to do if it goes up against a giant nation is to do guerilla warfare. I feel like any and all armor we'd field would get annihilated pretty immediately This is also the reason that the "archer" artillery which Sweden have slowly developed is made for shoot and scoot. Because if it stays still it will get annihilated by air and counter battery even faster.
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Did 10 months in a heavy mortar platoon and we spent like 95% of the time training how to regroup and scoot asap, 5% on shooty poo poo. You got 2 mins left to live after firing!!!
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Sweden has good subs and aircraft and a natural moat. We need to get better airdefenses up though, more patriot and introduce manpads. Then we have a mechanised force that can hopefully make any amphibious or airdropped landing suffer. Just the moat makes doing poo poo to us super hard/costly.
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Mar 2, 2022 01:05
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It is unlikely that Sweden would be in a conflict that didn't involve Norway too. We recently signed a defence agreement together with you and Denmark. And I don't think Northern Norway would hold long in this scenario.
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Hryme posted:It is unlikely that Sweden would be in a conflict that didn't involve Norway too. We recently signed a defence agreement together with you and Denmark. And I don't think Northern Norway would hold long in this scenario. Fjellmøjahædin comin'.
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Mar 2, 2022 03:08
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Zudgemud posted:This is also the reason that the More that Archer have some protection versus shrapnel by being enclosed. The old haubitz77B could move on their own and could move between firing spots without needing a truck. The general practice was to move after each salvo and the artillery companies did 24h exercises with constant relocation and fires. Not a operation tempo you can hold for long. There is also the Arthur artillery radar which could provide a firing solution versus enemy artillery when their shells were in the air. It was used by the us coalition during the second gulf war.
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Mar 2, 2022 07:00
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H&M och IKEA vägrar uttala sig om Ryssland lmao this could be interesting. IKEA’s IG comment section is not looking too great!
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Well, yeah. Considering the amount of wood (including illegally harvested) that IKEA sources from Russia. Yuck.
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teen witch posted:H&M och IKEA vägrar uttala sig om Ryssland
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anatomi posted:Well, yeah. Considering the amount of wood (including illegally harvested) that IKEA sources from Russia. Yuck. And they just got in trouble for doing so in Ukraine in early Feb so lol whelp But yeah a TON of IKEA products are Russian made.
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I'm hearing V/Malin Björk abstained on the EU parliament condemnation of the invasion as well? Can't find any swedish articles about it but I'd assume they would eat a rancid mountain of poo poo over that as well.
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Mar 2, 2022 11:07
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Threadkiller Dog posted:I'm hearing V/Malin Björk abstained on the EU parliament condemnation of the invasion as well? Here she goes into the reasoning why: https://eu.vansterpartiet.se/2022/03/01/all-solidaritet-med-ukraina-nej-till-nato/ It wasn't a simple condemnation
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Mar 2, 2022 11:17
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Haven't read the resolution but i gathered it wasnt nearly as pro NATO and that it was more recognizing that Sweden and Finland have the right to choose their own path. But really even if it's pro NATO I don't give a poo poo anymore. Putin proved the point of it so its pretty moot now. V is playing a weak rear end game. But Sweden could probably stay out for now though for all I care, Putin/Russia is no threat to us anymore. He broke is own back. Threadkiller Dog fucked around with this message at 11:23 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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Well I do give a poo poo, I think NATO can gently caress off to their own corner. European defence should be non-aligned, we might need NATO in the meantime while we build up but EU should have it's own defensive structure and create their own weapons instead of paying the warmongering nation of the US for some.
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Mar 2, 2022 11:33
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There are definitely nuanced arguments you can make around the resolution and about supplying weapons to Ukraine (some of them seen in this thread recently), but with how bloodthirsty everyone is right now it's really not the right time. Nobody's gonna even try to listen to nuance right now. We're all along for the ride whether we want it or not.
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I just chatted up the doctor at my session and told him of my ambitions to move out of my podunk town and go to university. Then he looked at my chart and went “well says here you have fallen arches and wonky knees, let’s have a look at you.” He took a look at my feet and said yeah those were flat, lifted his gaze to my knees and said “I’ve seen enough, let’s just mark you as unfit to serve, shall we?” I do have a pretty shoddy body, but I respected the performance.
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Mar 2, 2022 12:52
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DR Aftenshowet interviewed a Danish volunteer transporting foreign fighters to the war in Ukraine, but neglected to mention that he had a past with neo-nazi groups Danish Front, Danish Defence League, Vederfølner and Right Wings.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Haven't read the resolution but i gathered it wasnt nearly as pro NATO and that it was more recognizing that Sweden and Finland have the right to choose their own path. Nooshis honeymoon is officially over. And the plan to show off a different V that can attract S and SD voters is somewhat problematic now.
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SplitSoul posted:DR Aftenshowet interviewed a Danish volunteer transporting foreign fighters to the war in Ukraine, but neglected to mention that he had a past with neo-nazi groups Danish Front, Danish Defence League, Vederfølner and Right Wings. That’s amazing! Tbf, I hope more danish neo-nazis begun working to end wars of aggression started by violently repressive, fascist counties.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:That’s amazing! Tbf, I hope more danish neo-nazis begun working to end wars of aggression started by violently repressive, fascist counties. 
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Revelation 2-13 posted:That’s amazing! Tbf, I hope more danish neo-nazis begun working to end wars of aggression started by violently repressive, fascist counties. He doesn't intend to fight himself, he "has a family", he's just transporting his nazi friends over there and bringing back the kind of refugees he likes (i.e., white), not the kind his affiliated neo-nazi orgs used to assault on the streets in Denmark.
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A matter of time, and over water, but not fun regardless. https://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/aktuellt/2022/03/ryska-stridsflygplan-krankte-svenskt-luftrum/
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teen witch posted:And they just got in trouble for doing so in Ukraine in early Feb so lol whelp I knew they've been razing Romania[1], but I hadn't heard about Ukraine/Russia. Ugh. [1] https://newrepublic.com/article/165245/ikea-romania-europe-old-growth-forest it's not great. E: Here's an AB article on it in. English; https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/a7qeg7/ikeas-supplier-cut-healthy-trees-under-the-pretext-that-they-are-sick-or-dead - it had completely passed me by. I guess it's the same woods as Romania so no big surprise. NFX fucked around with this message at 22:46 on Mar 2, 2022 |
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Yeah, gently caress IKEA. A quick search for "spisebord" on DBA.dk returns over 3000 results, in the Copenhagen area alone. Buy second hand furniture, please.
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Whaat? C'mon, so we're living in the 20's and 30's as conditions are deteriorating, where organized Nazis with guns & combat experience are normalized, so what? What's the big deal? What's the worst that could happen after far right veterans lose a war.
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ted hitler hunter posted:Whaat? C'mon, so we're living in the 20's and 30's as conditions are deteriorating, where organized Nazis with guns & combat experience are normalized, so what? What's the big deal? What's the worst that could happen after far right veterans lose a war. Still reeling over just how brilliant that take was. I don't know if it's COVID memory loss or whatever that's taken hold of everyone or what the gently caress the problem is, but I've seen some crazy poo poo over the last few days. Did you know that if you oppose equipping explicitly neo-nazi paramilitaries or escalating to a standoff between nuclear-armed parties, you'd also have stood by silently while Serbs genocided Bosnians and Albanians? Being even the tiniest bit critical makes you a pro-invasion Putinist. It's wild, haven't seen anything like it since 9/11.
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Yeah, all countries should just send their nazis into wars. War would be a whole lot more pleasant if, every time there was a military casualty, it would be a cause for celebration, even when scores of your countrymen died. I see no downsides. Hang on, I'm getting a phone call. Oh, it turns out nazis love to do war crimes and cause civilian casualties. Issuing a correction on my previous statement; you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to 'em."
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I was just saying I was happy that a nazi had started opposing fascists, rather than doing nazi poo poo, but you guys keep going. In related but different news, I think it’s funny how “leftist” are supremely concerned about the ukrainian neo-nazis in particular. It feels like half the idiot orthodox stalinists suddenly undiscovered that postsocialist Eastern Europe, (and the rest of Europe, and most definitely Russia) has had a growing neo nazi problem since the loving wall came down. Laser focused on the Ukrainian ones in particular for mysterious reasons. Like the enhedslisten member of parliament who said that ukraine kinda had it coming.
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Cardiac posted:More that Archer have some protection versus shrapnel by being enclosed. Not sure the shoot and scoot capabilities of the old haubitz 77s is comparable to the "stop, magdump and be a kilometer away in under 5 min". So it's a bit more than just a nice cabin for the crew too.
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Revelation 2-13 posted:I was just saying I was happy that a nazi had started opposing fascists, rather than doing nazi poo poo, but you guys keep going. And you're assured they won't be "doing nazi poo poo" without oversight in an armed conflict or utilise their experience and weapons training upon return? Revelation 2-13 posted:In related but different news, I think it’s funny how “leftist” are supremely concerned about the ukrainian neo-nazis in particular. It feels like half the idiot orthodox stalinists suddenly undiscovered that postsocialist Eastern Europe, (and the rest of Europe, and most definitely Russia) has had a growing neo nazi problem since the loving wall came down. Laser focused on the Ukrainian ones in particular for mysterious reasons. Like the enhedslisten member of parliament who said that ukraine kinda had it coming. A marked difference is that none of these other states have officially integrated these forces, neo-nazi symbolism, rhetoric and all, in their auxiliary police forces and national guards. https://harpers.org/archive/2021/01/the-armies-of-the-right-ukraine-militias/
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Revelation 2-13 posted:I was just saying I was happy that a nazi had started opposing fascists, rather than doing nazi poo poo, but you guys keep going. the ukrainian neo-nazis have a much stronger institutional role than russian neo-nazis. the russian nazis are usually low-level enforcers and death squads, like their counterparts in e.g. colombia. ukrainian neo-nazis are integrated into the formal military structure of their country. i agree that it can be overstated (zelenskij's government is clearly not nazi-driven, for instance), and it absolutely doesn't justify the invasion, but saying "yay go nazis who fight people i don't like" is a Very Bad Sign
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V. Illych L. posted:i agree that it can be overstated (zelenskij's government is clearly not nazi-driven, for instance), and it absolutely doesn't justify the invasion, but saying "yay go nazis who fight people i don't like" is a Very Bad Sign Agreed. Putin didn't do us any favours when he started raving about denazification, but then he isn't on our side in the first place. Doesn't mean there isn't a shred of truth to the accusations, however. In other nazi news, the Danish government is planning to exempt Ukrainian refugees from the "rob them at gunpoint upon entry" law. SplitSoul fucked around with this message at 11:36 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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SplitSoul posted:the "rob them at gunpoint upon entry" law. the what
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That's a bit of hyperbole; all the government does is seize any personal assets deemed to be valuable on entry, such as jewelry or mementos. There are no literal guns involved, I don't think, just the metaphorical gun of refusing asylum seekers entry if they do not comply.
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Mymla posted:Yeah, that sounds like a dick move. Danish politics in a nutshell. We've had a succession of disgusting xenophobic "integration" ministers. I'm glad we're helping out the Ukrainians, but it casts a stark contrast over how we've been treating Syrians etc.
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https://www.thelocal.se/20220302/four-russian-fighter-jets-violate-swedish-airspace-over-baltic-sea/ 39 Gripens being scrambled sounds like a huge response for a minor incursion.
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