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Argyle Gargoyle
Apr 1, 2009

ABSTRACT SHAPES CREW

Hey, today I expanded my one-page resume into two. If any goon wouldn't mind critiquing it for me, please PM or reply here and I'll be in touch.
The field is software dev or (or adjacent). Thanks!

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CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡
Post here so others can benefit from looking at yours and the advice or lurkers can search “software” in the thread and see several.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
Yeah, just change your name and identifying info

Trickortreat
Oct 31, 2020
48 applications in, it just occurred to me I should probably keep track of which resume I've been sending out. Whoops.

Falco
Dec 31, 2003

Freewheeling At Last

Trickortreat posted:

48 applications in, it just occurred to me I should probably keep track of which resume I've been sending out. Whoops.

Also, if there’s any possible way to get referrals at companies you’re interested in, it significantly increases your chances in most orgs.

Magnetic North
Dec 15, 2008

Beware the Forest's Mushrooms

Trickortreat posted:

48 applications in, it just occurred to me I should probably keep track of which resume I've been sending out. Whoops.

When I looked for work the last two times (both pre-pandemic), I did that and I found it very helpful. Now that I am primarily using LinkedIn for the search instead of going to individual websites, I am finding that to be harder to remember to do for whatever reason. But then again the messaging system will remember some things for me so :shrug:

Trickortreat
Oct 31, 2020
Someone mentioned to me that a double-column resume may have a harder time tracking through ATS due to formatting. Is this still true? I just imagined the technology would be capable of parsing columns properly, even if it's in pdf format.

Magnetic North posted:

When I looked for work the last two times (both pre-pandemic), I did that and I found it very helpful. Now that I am primarily using LinkedIn for the search instead of going to individual websites, I am finding that to be harder to remember to do for whatever reason. But then again the messaging system will remember some things for me so :shrug:
I'm looking on LinkedIn, Glassdoor, Indeed, and AngelList.

UnleashedDad
Jan 14, 2022

hi im tony. did you know that a koala's appendix is about two meters long.
I've been looking on and off for a few months and two weeks ago finished three rounds of interviews including with an SVP on a position. Just got this email from the recruiter. Trying to gauge what this means. It seems like they want to extend me an offer but can't currently due to outside reasons?

quote:

Hi name, we appreciate you taking the time to express interest in company. The good news is that the feedback has all been very positive from your interviews. Although, as a company, we are well beyond our hiring goals for Q1 already and are pausing for the next few weeks on making any outside offers as we reassess all of our hiring plans for the remainder of the year. Things should pick back up by around Mid / late March and I will definitely reach out again once we get the green light to move forward, assuming you are still available.

If you have any questions at all in the meantime, let me know. Otherwise, I will be in touch once we get the green lights to move forward.

How should I respond? I'm thinking just thank him for the update and say I'm still interested in the opportunity but will continue my search.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

UnleashedDad posted:

I've been looking on and off for a few months and two weeks ago finished three rounds of interviews including with an SVP on a position. Just got this email from the recruiter. Trying to gauge what this means. It seems like they want to extend me an offer but can't currently due to outside reasons?

How should I respond? I'm thinking just thank him for the update and say I'm still interested in the opportunity but will continue my search.

Yeah, it means they are out of new hire budget. Not necessarily a bad thing, a company with good financial control will put limiters on new budget like that, my guess is they want to get you an offer than will coincide with you starting in Q2 (April). It could also mean they are belt tightening, especially with a volatile market right now. I'd guess 50/50.

I'm a bit surprised they'd do this with an SVP role though, that seems odd. Otherwise, yeah your response is the right one.

UnleashedDad
Jan 14, 2022

hi im tony. did you know that a koala's appendix is about two meters long.

Lockback posted:

Yeah, it means they are out of new hire budget. Not necessarily a bad thing, a company with good financial control will put limiters on new budget like that, my guess is they want to get you an offer than will coincide with you starting in Q2 (April). It could also mean they are belt tightening, especially with a volatile market right now. I'd guess 50/50.

I'm a bit surprised they'd do this with an SVP role though, that seems odd. Otherwise, yeah your response is the right one.

This is just a senior analyst role. I just thought it was strange since my final interview was with the SVP since he views this role as very important for the business.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

UnleashedDad posted:

This is just a senior analyst role. I just thought it was strange since my final interview was with the SVP since he views this role as very important for the business.

Oh oh, I misread. Yeah this is corporate saying "You hit your quota for the quarter" so hands are tied. Like I said, that could be a red flag, it could be normal healthy budget controls. Honestly, "Hey that approved req will need to be on hold for a few weeks while we adjust forecasting" is something I've heard at literally every place I've ever worked, but when it happens a lot its usually not good so :shrug:

I would do exactly what you said though and just tell them you are interested in hearing back as you are continuing your job search. Make em sweat a little bit even if you want to hold a candle for them.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady
Gonna echo that. No reason to burn the bridge right now, but set expectations that you aren't going to be waiting by the phone for them. A month isn't that long a delay in recruitment anyway, so maybe this is just them being straight with you and it ends up being a great sign for how they are to work for.

downout
Jul 6, 2009

Anyone have any recommended reading to prep for a software engineering manager interview?

Scatsby
Dec 25, 2007

Hello again, folks. I meant to post this like a week ago, life got in the way. Since folks didn’t seem totally hostile to the idea, I figured I’d go ahead and follow through on posting my non-goon coworker’s resume. I wrote a fucktun, but hopefully there's not too much anyone needs to correct or interact with. If I gave him any advice that seems wrong or if there’s anything I’m overlooking, both of us would be delighted to find out. I’ve included a slightly-modified description of the position he’s applying for and anonymized the resume he wrote for it. It’s linked here.

Before I go further, just a quick description about our background. Both of us are “Mongolian Language Specialists” (god kill me the job title sucks) and we have been for several years. In theory, we’re basically long-distance teachers who deal with students and administrators at our client schools. In practice, both of us have done a little bit of everything: tech support, content creation, legal compliance/research, hiring/firing of employees, dealing with other departments in the university, the list goes on. Pretty much any boring office poo poo you could name we’ve done or bungled. It makes us good generalists but it also leaves us short on specialized skills, which leaves us both a little stumped. Anyway, into the criticisms I gave him:

Point 1: He needs to read the job posting carefully and better tailor his resume to the posting.
Certain skills he’s developed (managing an office of tutors, tracking enrollment and progress for hundreds of students, and so on) are highly applicable to the posting. Other skills are less applicable, especially since the job involves very little classroom instruction and emphasizes skills that he has limited practical experience and no formal training in, namely, accounting and financial stuff. I told him that he needed to be realistic and that if he applies to this job with his current skill set, he needs to be aware that it might be outside of his reach. He should address this in his cover letter. Which brings us to....

Point 2: He needs a cover letter. To my knowledge, he hasn't written any cover letters for any job he’s applied to yet, and he should get into the habit of doing so every single time. He should briefly make reference to the fact that he doesn't meet all of the requested criteria, but should emphasize his experience in the other criteria he does meet and should emphasize his willingness and ability to learn. Additionally, the stuff in his summary about "wanting to use his talents to the benefit of my community" would belong in a cover letter, not in a resume.

Point 3: his summary is a little weird. I”ve seen folks in this thread go both ways on including a summary, but most of the resumes I’ve seen critiqued have one and I haven’t seen much flak for having one. His, though, is way too long, doesn't play up the right strengths, and contains a lot of useless filler. My impression from other resumes this thread has critiqued is that a summary should be 2-3 lines long, all focused on things that relate to the job posting. Something more like "I am professional with 5 years of experience in distance education and extensive experience in managing office staff, communicating with clients and students, and blah blah blah blah." He should just look at the required skills and try to hit as many of the areas as he can in ~3 lines.

Point 4: His work experience section strikes me as being rough, and while I do feel comfortable giving some criticisms, there’s other things that I’m unsure of myself.

Regarding his most recent position, the first bullet point seems like his strongest, though he could cut out some excessive fluff. (Why “cohesive schedules” and not just “schedules”?)

His second bullet point feels quite bad. It’s both over-explanatory and very vague. “Procedure and creation” doesn’t tell anyone anything – what did he actually do? Did he design course content, or was it more logistical work? Should maintaining student records really be here? What exactly did he do that led to the benefits he mentions? Can he back any of this up with numbers? It should be split up into multiple points and each point should be a little more descriptive and specific.

The rest of his bullet points are a bit more concise and more where he wants them to be, but still could use improvement. Specifically, the fifth one could use some solid numbers – how many students and schools did he communicate with? How many new customers did he bring in (if he can estimate a number)?

The sixth point has some significant bloat – for example, “via multiple telecommunication methods” doesn’t sound impressive in the age of a global pandemic when everyone uses discord, slack, skype, and zoom every day. Just keep it simple and to the point.

Where I’m less comfortable giving good feedback is on how to handle our earlier positions and titles.Technically, each of us has held at least 3 positions - a part-time tutor position, a full-time temporary instructor position, and finally our full time positions. My coworker opted only to list the full-time positions, but I wonder if he isn’t selling himself short by not including his part-time position as well. After all, he wants to demonstrate forward momentum and movement, right?

I’m also a little lost on how to handle the duties of each position. A lot of duties overlap between one position and another, and as we move up the ladder, we just get new duties tacked on.. Repeating information across two or three postings seems excessive, but adding in a line to a more senior position that says “Similar to previous position” doesn’t seem good either. I know the thread has addressed this in a few places, but I’ve never seen a clear consensus emerge.

Point 5: He’s lacking a skills section, and I’m not quite sure how to feel about it. I’ve seen some posts that say you don’t need one at all, but that isn’t something I’ve seen a lot of. His resume feels short as-is, and a skills section might pad that out. However, I’m afraid it really would seem like padding – both of us are familiar with Office, we can do the bare minimum in Excel, and we’ve got familiarity with different learning management systems. However, none of the work we do is anything that couldn’t be learned within a month by anyone with the barest knowledge of how to operate a computer.

Meanwhile, most of the resumes I’ve seen posted ITT have a skills section, and it therefore feels weird not to include one. However, the thread seems to skew more towards IT/STEM/professional fields, where specific certifications and familiarity with programming languages and proprietary software is a big part of the job. That definitely doesn’t describe either of us.

I could see three ways forward. First, he could simply leave it as-is and accept a short resume. Second, he could include a skills section and simply include the basic software he does know how to use. He could possibly also emphasize his “soft” skills. Third, and this makes the most sense to me, he could simply omit a skills section and focus more on demonstrating his skills through his previous jobs and accomplishments. He could add in his part-time position and simply expand on some of his duties – I know for a fact there’s some relevant stuff he’s left out of his duties.

That pretty much concludes my thoughts on his resume – any more detail and I’d be writing it for him. I’ve already passed these thoughts on to him and I know he’s doing some rewrites, but I’d love to get a sanity check. Some of my advice might be awful and I know I definitely might have missed some stuff, so any thoughts folks could share would be incredibly useful!

Scatsby fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Mar 3, 2022

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Scatsby posted:

Hello again, folks. I meant to post this like a week ago, life got in the way. Since folks didn’t seem totally hostile to the idea, I figured I’d go ahead and follow through on posting my non-goon coworker’s resume. I wrote a fucktun, but hopefully there's not too much anyone needs to correct or interact with. If I gave him any advice that seems wrong or if there’s anything I’m overlooking, both of us would be delighted to find out. I’ve included a slightly-modified description of the position he’s applying for and anonymized the resume he wrote for it. It’s linked here.

Before I go further, just a quick description about our background. Both of us are “Mongolian Language Specialists” (god kill me the job title sucks) and we have been for several years. In theory, we’re basically long-distance teachers who deal with students and

[I stopped reading here]

I did not read these words but I did click the link.

The job description is for an admin assistant w/bookkeeping experience. This resume would be competitive for that job in the USA but this resume doesnt mention bookkeeping/accounting. My boy Hector Garcia, CPA on YouTube will set your friend up with some quickbooks knowledge and book keeping 101 stuff. Then they can add they did a bookkeeping course or something. Then this would be an okay "admin assistant/bookkeeper" resume EXCEPT...

...this person is in Mongolia.

Is this position in Mongolia? If so, you will likely not get well tailored advice here. Work and resume cultures definitely vary between countries and the only thing I know about Mongolia is they have Pallas cats and Tuvan throat singing. Both of which own. If they're going for American admin + bookkeeping jobs theres no loving way in hell I, a US employer, would trust my books to someone in Mongolia. 0% chance.

EDIT: This is in a part of Russia bordering Mongolia but it still sums up everything I know about Mongolia adorably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKWuEqdmCGs

EDIT2: If this person ends up hunting in the USA for USA jobs I'll post some specific advice for optimizing.

CarForumPoster fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Mar 3, 2022

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

quote:

Point 2: He needs a cover letter. To my knowledge, he hasn't written any cover letters for any job he’s applied to yet, and he should get into the habit of doing so every single time. He should briefly make reference to the fact that he doesn't meet all of the requested criteria, but should emphasize his experience in the other criteria he does meet and should emphasize his willingness and ability to learn. Additionally, the stuff in his summary about "wanting to use his talents to the benefit of my community" would belong in a cover letter, not in a resume.


False. You need a good linkedin, you need a good resume. You only need a cover letter if they request it (though it should be tailored to the job, ideally). You should not highlight your weaknesses, you should only highlight your strengths. Don't spend time writing a document that explains why you should not be hired. A summary is fine, and what is in it can depend on the person. His seems long, but he also doesn't have a lot else so its probably in the "long side of acceptable".

It feels a little wordy, but you want to fill a whole page. Ideally I'd say add in something else if he can and then maybe tighten up the description. It isn't bad though.

quote:

Where I’m less comfortable giving good feedback is on how to handle our earlier positions and titles.Technically, each of us has held at least 3 positions - a part-time tutor position, a full-time temporary instructor position, and finally our full time positions. My coworker opted only to list the full-time positions, but I wonder if he isn’t selling himself short by not including his part-time position as well. After all, he wants to demonstrate forward momentum and movement, right?

Are they all at the same place? Then do something like this

code:
Mongolian Language Specialist        05/2017-Present
Tengri University | Karakorum, Mongolia		
Tutor  05/2017-09/2018
Full-time Instructor 10/2017-4/2019
Staff Specialist 4/2019- present
Then just list highlights on everything. The part-time might sound bad though so I might just merge that with the full-time role.

I generally like a Skills section (and he has the resume white space to have one). In Tech its a requirement and there's a lot of tech people, but I generally think its a good idea regardless. But you need decent stuff on there. I assume this guy is fluent in multiple languages? That's a skill you can't learn in a month.

Trickortreat
Oct 31, 2020
Since my last round of feedback, I've read more into CSM and farmed out specific terminology. I am still concerned about my lack of metrics and hard skills, but I'm hoping a hiring manager will take a gamble on me. Just some more nitpicky questions.

1. How worried should I be about the fact that my resume is double column? A project manager friend mentioned double column resumes are a death sentence for ATS, and linked me to a reddit post. is there any truth to this?

2. Does the sentence " Spearheaded projects and collaborated with cross-functional teams to rethink customer engagement strategy and decrease client churn rate" sound too generic and mechanical? I originally had something like "Proven track record of excellent customer service and creative problem solving", but the same project manager friend was telling me "proven track record" will most get my application thrown out as it doesn't really say anything. The advice was to give specific examples. Have I done that?

3. Someone advised me to remove my master's since I have a doctorate. Do I need to explain that my doctorate is the highest one completed? Or is it pretty much implied?

4. If I get grilled about my ROI and 20% labor from my first job, do I need to be prepared to present a chart or will a verbal explanation be good enough? Do I need to be upfront with the fact that the business belonged to my parents? It wasn't exactly a big-time operation, but I haven't falsified anything. I'm just trying to cover all my bases and I want my resume to be as bulletproof was possible, hence the nitpicking.

Here is the most current version of my resume if you'd like to look at the whole thing.

I've taken the advice to skip cover letters, and realized the job market is white hot. I'm seeing at least 60-70 new jobs pop up every day. Truly the wild west.

Arquinsiel
Jun 1, 2006

"There is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first."

God Bless Margaret Thatcher
God Bless England
RIP My Iron Lady

Trickortreat posted:

3. Someone advised me to remove my master's since I have a doctorate. Do I need to explain that my doctorate is the highest one completed? Or is it pretty much implied?
The doctorate is pretty obviously the highest one, but having recently done a masters myself it's confirmed my opinion that most university courses are just exercises in hoop jumping that prove you can jump through stupid hoops to employers. Employers love hoop jumping. Why would you take a year of hoop jumping experience off your resume?

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

1. Aesthetics will sadly mean more in CSM (though your LinkedIn probably means even more). I don't know if there are any hard or fast rules. A straight 2 column is probably not a good resume format though. For more entry level people I still like one like this: https://d25zcttzf44i59.cloudfront.net/technical-project-manager-resume-example.png
edit: Just saw yours, I think that one is fine, I would be surprised if someone threw that away.

2. Both sound bad in the way that I'd expect a CSM to sound kinda buzzwordy? I think I like the "proven track record" one more but both are nonsense filler. Some nonsense filler is fine and even to be expected though. I think its fine either way, personally but if your friend knows what they are talking about I'd go that route.

3. Keep the masters, just don't dedicate a lot of space to it. I might even consider removing the doctorate for a CSM but I'd definitely try with it on at first. Keep the masters regardless though.

4. They will probably just want you to talk through a claim like that, not necessarily prove it. So make sure you can tell the story.

Trickortreat
Oct 31, 2020

Arquinsiel posted:

The doctorate is pretty obviously the highest one, but having recently done a masters myself it's confirmed my opinion that most university courses are just exercises in hoop jumping that prove you can jump through stupid hoops to employers. Employers love hoop jumping. Why would you take a year of hoop jumping experience off your resume?
Thanks! With the amount of student debt I racked up in that place, I may as well get my money's worth.

quote:

1. Aesthetics will sadly mean more in CSM (though your LinkedIn probably means even more).
I have like 20 connections. Do recruiters look at that kind of stuff? I could just join one of those open to network groups and bump the numbers- is that worth the time? I've just been treating it more as a job board than social media.

Lockback posted:

2. Both sound bad in the way that I'd expect a CSM to sound kinda buzzwordy? I think I like the "proven track record" one more but both are nonsense filler. Some nonsense filler is fine and even to be expected though. I think its fine either way, personally but if your friend knows what they are talking about I'd go that route.
I just realized I can leave "Proven track record of excellent customer service and creative problem-solving." in the opening and create a new bullet point that reads " Collaborated with cross-functional teams to rethink customer engagement strategy and decrease client churn rate." That would work, no?

I really appreciate the help! Y'all are the best. I've been ignoring the urge to write cover letters and I've been focusing on volume. It'll be an interesting few weeks as I wait to hear back.

Trickortreat fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Mar 3, 2022

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Trickortreat posted:


I have like 20 connections. Do recruiters look at that kind of stuff? I could just join one of those open to network groups and bump the numbers- is that worth the time? I've just been treating it more as a job board than social media.


For CSM, yes. But more important than connections is having some recommendations (I just heard the metric of looking for about 2 a year, so getting 10 at once doesn't really help), having a very good about section (which is weighted heavily in their algorithm) and also maybe some activity showing some interest in CSM stuff. Basically, when they pass around you as a candidate they are going to most likely link your profile and look at the resume later. In certain fields its really the primary driver and I think it will be for you. Also, if you can get a good CSM-y profile rolling the jobs come to you, so you want that door open.

Full Disclosure: My Linkedin sucks and I need to start thinking of how to improve it even if I don't have any imminent job switching plans.

Trickortreat posted:

I just realized I can leave "Proven track record of excellent customer service and creative problem-solving." in the opening and create a new bullet point that reads " Collaborated with cross-functional teams to rethink customer engagement strategy and decrease client churn rate." That would work, no?

Yeah, but try to keep most of your bullet-points accomplishments and measurables though if you can. Don't get too buzzwordy with your bullets.

Scatsby
Dec 25, 2007

CarForumPoster posted:

I did not read these words but I did click the link.

The job description is for an admin assistant w/bookkeeping experience. This resume would be competitive for that job in the USA but this resume doesnt mention bookkeeping/accounting. My boy Hector Garcia, CPA on YouTube will set your friend up with some quickbooks knowledge and book keeping 101 stuff. Then they can add they did a bookkeeping course or something. Then this would be an okay "admin assistant/bookkeeper" resume EXCEPT...

...this person is in Mongolia.

Is this position in Mongolia? If so, you will likely not get well tailored advice here. Work and resume cultures definitely vary between countries and the only thing I know about Mongolia is they have Pallas cats and Tuvan throat singing. Both of which own. If they're going for American admin + bookkeeping jobs theres no loving way in hell I, a US employer, would trust my books to someone in Mongolia. 0% chance.

EDIT: This is in a part of Russia bordering Mongolia but it still sums up everything I know about Mongolia adorably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKWuEqdmCGs

EDIT2: If this person ends up hunting in the USA for USA jobs I'll post some specific advice for optimizing.

I just chose Mongolian names/language on a lark, since I've got a big love of Mongolian history/culture. We're both here in the US. And it's a big relief to hear the resume looks good for the job he's applying for -- having binged the first ~100+ pages and taken extensive notes on pretty much every resume and topic covered, I'm predisposed to be really critical and perfectionist.


Lockback posted:

False. You need a good linkedin, you need a good resume. You only need a cover letter if they request it (though it should be tailored to the job, ideally). You should not highlight your weaknesses, you should only highlight your strengths. Don't spend time writing a document that explains why you should not be hired. A summary is fine, and what is in it can depend on the person. His seems long, but he also doesn't have a lot else so its probably in the "long side of acceptable".


That's really interesting to hear and a big departure from the opinions posted upthread, but it's good to hear and keep in mind.

Lockback posted:



code:
Mongolian Language Specialist        05/2017-Present
Tengri University | Karakorum, Mongolia		
Tutor  05/2017-09/2018
Full-time Instructor 10/2017-4/2019
Staff Specialist 4/2019- present
Then just list highlights on everything. The part-time might sound bad though so I might just merge that with the full-time role.

I generally like a Skills section (and he has the resume white space to have one). In Tech its a requirement and there's a lot of tech people, but I generally think its a good idea regardless. But you need decent stuff on there. I assume this guy is fluent in multiple languages? That's a skill you can't learn in a month.

Thanks for the formatting help, and I'll be sure to pass it along.

The skills section is definitely where we're both the most nervous. I can claim conversational fluency in the language we teach, but he's just good enough to teach beginner- and intermediate-level students, and the prevailing wisdom seems to be that if you're not fluent, you should just leave languages off.

We've used a ton of office software as well and have experience working on macs and PC's, but those are the type of everyday skills that pretty much everyone says to leave off. The only exception people mention seems to be Excel, but most of our knowledge is limited to some simple equations, basic macros, and graph generation -- pretty much what you'd need to keep track of student records and give presentations and nothing more. I guess he could include it and find a Skillshare course or something to try and patch any holes.

Basically, beyond our ability to improvise and adapt to new situations and software, we really don't have too much going for us here, and certainly nothing we're officially certified in.

Well, I guess in my case, I did shoot, edit, and produce a bunch of videos using our office studio and Adobe Aftereffects/Premiere. Then we hired a real videographer/video editor to revise old videos and help produce new ones, and when she opened the project files for the videos I'd made, she reacted as though she'd opened the Ark of the Covenant. I'd therefore guess I should probably leave that off my future resumes unless I'm desperate.

lol internet.
Sep 4, 2007
the internet makes you stupid
Umm what happens if a background check company can't verify employment with a previous company? A company I worked for like 5 years might be one of those companies. They are smaller, initially I thought about sending the W2 as proof but the company name is different on the W2 so I figure it would open another can of worms.

Now I'm just concerned they won't reply. Any ideas? The hiring boss called and told me not to worry but it should take another week to wrap it up.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

lol internet. posted:

Umm what happens if a background check company can't verify employment with a previous company? A company I worked for like 5 years might be one of those companies. They are smaller, initially I thought about sending the W2 as proof but the company name is different on the W2 so I figure it would open another can of worms.

Now I'm just concerned they won't reply. Any ideas? The hiring boss called and told me not to worry but it should take another week to wrap it up.

It happens, theyll either ask you for more info or will move forward anyway.

CarForumPoster
Jun 26, 2013

⚡POWER⚡

Scatsby posted:

I just chose Mongolian names/language on a lark, since I've got a big love of Mongolian history/culture. We're both here in the US. And it's a big relief to hear the resume looks good for the job he's applying for -- having binged the first ~100+ pages and taken extensive notes on pretty much every resume and topic covered, I'm predisposed to be really critical and perfectionist.

its really annoying to remove important context

Working as a mechanical engineer at SpaceX versus working at a 20 person fab shop matters.
Working in the USA versus working in Mongolia matters a lot.

If you want good resume advice, don't change the situation.

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


I've got my first phone interview in over 12 years on Monday with an inside recruiter who reached out to me for an open position. This is for an engineering subject matter expert/consultant type role.

What sort of initial screening should I be expecting from the recruiter? I wouldn't think it'd be technical but I'm not really sure how best to prepare.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
Probly just "tell me about your current job and skills" and some selling you on whatever he's got.

Trickortreat
Oct 31, 2020
There's something so very dystopian about having to record a one-way interview because the company can't be bothered to waste any precious company time.

Salami Surgeon
Jan 21, 2001

Don't close. Don't close.


Nap Ghost
More fun when you're own company does that to you. I can see the hiring manager's Outlook calendar, assholes.

Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

I had a pretty good interview with a company that fits my skill set and are willing to pay market rate. However, the job I was interviewing for is actually on hold as the company has a hiring freeze on new positions, so I was "really" interviewing for an equivalent position that was being back filled. Lead Data Analyst instead of Lead Risk Adjustment Analyst, but working for the same boss and the same spot in the org chart, but the job description is a little bit more general.

I don't think it is a red flag. I have some insight into why I think the freeze is happening and I'm okay with it, but I'd like to hear other reactions.

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
I actually think "Lead Data Analyst" is generally a better title than "Lead Risk Adjustment Analyst", it's a bigger sphere. This is similar to what I posted above to the other guy dealing with a freeze, it's a little red flag but it's the kind of thing almost every company has to deal with at points so it's more of a "Is this how the company operates or was this just a bad timing thing" question.

Make sure you confirm your bonus and everything is the same with this title, and I'd also factor in that there is a higher rate of being downsized as the new guy (which always is a risk, but probably a higher one during a freeze like this). If you're comfortable with the title and the job description though I guess I wouldn't say it's something to run away from.

Trickortreat
Oct 31, 2020
I think one of the greater difficulties I have with resumes is the fact that some things come down to personal preference. I'll show two friends who have the exact opposite opinions, and they're both involved in the hiring process. However, the one thing everyone's agreed on is my lack of metrics and hard skills. I retained clients? What was the percentage?

I used to keep a daily track of my client count on my Google Calendar- for a span of about 2 years. Goes without saying, but when I started out as an intern, I only had 2-3 clients a day. That number eventually went up to 15-20. However, saying that I had more than a 400% growth doesn't seem like much when you discover the initial number was just 2.

Any tips on how I can use this data to my advantage? I am terrified of just throwing some poorly thought out number on resume then being unable to defend it at the interviews. Especially as metrics just wasn't a thing at my last job. In fact, the only reason I have these numbers is because I kept track of it to satisfy my personal need for data.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
you can show the increasing actual number of clients with your increasing responsibility, then when someone asks you about your 400% growth they dont immediately dismiss you

Lockback
Sep 3, 2006

All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.
I don't see why you think that 2-3 to 15-20 isn't a good metric. I've worked at places where they had 4-5 people all assigned to a single client, and that's all any of them did.

I'd definitely put that growth, but if you feel uncomfortable with that saying "grew from 3 clients to 18" is also a very strong bullet point (I think the % growth is probably a bit better though).

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Lockback posted:

I don't see why you think that 2-3 to 15-20 isn't a good metric. I've worked at places where they had 4-5 people all assigned to a single client, and that's all any of them did.

I'd definitely put that growth, but if you feel uncomfortable with that saying "grew from 3 clients to 18" is also a very strong bullet point (I think the % growth is probably a bit better though).

the percent number is bad because it's an inaccurate way of describing growth off a low base. they should use absolute numbers. if the other party is smart at all, they'll say "wow 400% growth is very impressive, what was the start and end point of that?" and if you say oh i went from 2-10 they will think you are trying to dissemble through numbers. the absolute numbers are perfectly good on their own without issues.

Trickortreat
Oct 31, 2020
These are some really good points. Thanks! I am also concerned because I stopped keeping track of my client count when things really started to get hopping, so the last date I have recorded is November of 2018. Another reason I am a bit wary of using these numbers. I may be overthinking a bit with that last point though, since I can just explain I stopped keeping track because I got too busy.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
like there's no way for your counterparty to verify these numbers so as long as they aren't actively lies you are fine

Xguard86
Nov 22, 2004

"You don't understand his pain. Everywhere he goes he sees women working, wearing pants, speaking in gatherings, voting. Surely they will burn in the white hot flames of Hell"
Something like "Grew from 3 to 20 (4x)" doesn't mislead but gets your attention grabber out there + makes the math easy for the reader, who is probably skimming for eye catchers anyway.

it's often way harder to acquire 10 customers coming from 3 versus coming from 3000. Neither is necessarily better, it's just who you're targeting for a job.

Coco13
Jun 6, 2004

My advice to you is to start drinking heavily.

Trickortreat posted:

I may be overthinking a bit with that last point though, since I can just explain I stopped keeping track because I got too busy.

Yup. Being able to triage what's important and what's not is a great soft skill demonstrate. Talking about how you were able to build the amount of clients you worked with might naturally spin into what you learned about time management.

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Trickortreat
Oct 31, 2020
Does this parse ok?

"Delivered on KPI, increasing daily number of clients served from 3 to 15 (500% increase)."

I think I could please the ATS Gods if I use KPI in there, especially since average patient count was a KPI for me.

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