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Vorenus posted:Thanks for the translation! I was highly suspect of the ethnic conflict narrative, but I wasn't aware of the mentioned images from a few days back. Nothing to do with ethnic conflict there, just ugly opportunism. Contrary to Kremlin’s propaganda, an assload of Ukrainians enjoy going about their days in Russian. Not the least their president himself, who comes from a Russian-speaking family, as I recall it.
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this USED to be true in the united states but hasn't been true for at least 25 years
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It's subdued, for now, and should it be come un-subdued, you think Tokayev has suddenly developed the capability to subdue it again without help? Russia is in no place to help right now and even if they could, their help might instead hurt. And there is option B: China
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Ciprian Maricon posted:grid squares work on a multiple of 10, the original poster can correct me if wrong but i understood 8 digit coordinates to define a 10 meter box on a map, 6, digits 100, etc Yeah, I think they just typo'd. In MGRS, 8 gets you to 10 meters. 10 digits, 1 meter.
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Sekenr posted:Russia is in no place to help right now and even if they could, their help might instead hurt. And there is option B: China That and Russia, if they were smart, would use Kazakhstan to launder funds/parts/etc so I don't know that risking having them cut off to get more military resources for a flagging invasion is a smart idea.
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uXs posted:I've been thinking about that. How would you physically do it? He's presumably very well protected in normal times, the security at this point has to be insane. probably can't be done, the group of guys closest to him depend on him too much and probably can't physically reach him with a gun or anything without getting killed themselves. if a bunch of military guys turn on him all at once and march on moscow or something that might do it, but that's very unlikely. revolutions like in egypt only succeed in making the leader run away if the army turns on him at the same time
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Crows Turn Off posted:Which usually means they are extremely closeted. Any argument that asserts gay people out or otherwise are the cause of homophobia is a bad one, imo.
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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:There's this program: https://www.fsa.usda.gov/programs-and-services/conservation-programs/conservation-reserve-program/ This program is actually used by farmers to get payments for land that's too wet, steep, rocky, full of clay, or otherwise too poo poo to be planted anyway fyi Edit to expand: Those numbers include all agricultural land, of which cropland is a subset - 250 million cropland to 897 million agricultural land. The states that have the most acres in red also have the most agricultural land in general KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 22:36 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Sekenr posted:OMG I didn't notice that its you Marjorian posting. Hi! Someone gave me a homophobic redtext, which is always super cool. quote:Russia treaties mean trash right now, especially to former russian empire nations, favour to Putin is laughable. He helped, and now in no place to punish for promises broken. Or help if sanctions wrath will fall upon you if you make a move supporting Russia. There is absolutely nothing for KZ to gain supporting Russia and hell to lose. Again, I'm not saying they're necessarily going to follow Russia into Ukraine. I don't know, nobody but the decision-makers in Kazakhstan probably know. But given how closely the two countries are tied together economically, militarily, and diplomatically, hypothesizing that there's a major split between the two countries strikes me as wishful thinking. They're not going to try to blow up the SCO, Eurasian Economic Union, CSTO, and all the other multilateral organizations they're both part of over this. Sekenr posted:Russia is in no place to help right now and even if they could, their help might instead hurt. And there is option B: China China is likewise not going to blow up the multilateral trade and security organizations it's part of with Russia and Kazakhstan by trying to peel the latter off of the former.
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I remember a significant stretch of time where RT was making extremely effective inroads towards propaganda broadcast on social media, including through some silent subsidiaries that were similar in tone and operation to NowThis. It was the same general policy procedure: detail american issues effecting marginalized populations, play-act concern over these marginalized communities, but do so with no real intent to advance their cause but rather to advance social discord and make life worse for everyone involved. It created really patternable systems of HOW they would define and broadcast issues like racism or homophobia, especially considering that it was ultimately being utilized for the benefit of a homophobic regime that could give a poo poo about us queers in actuality. So they'd go at it a certain way that was sure to increase antagonism both ways, including from the right wing towards queer communities. They got a lot more subtle about it later on, but around the same time I noticed a general down-trend in the saturation of such stories on Facebook anyway. I don't remember if it was associated with decisions by Facebook to start tagging state-affiliated media or start carefully picking who they handed the revenue-generation megaphone to. It felt like (or maybe did?) like they were also trying to make inroads to things like gas station pump tv. Anyway, they were absolutely bullshit so I'll take it
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Is this expulsion going to have any kind of bite? I don't know poo poo about naval stuff. Note Belarus is also expelled though they only had observer status https://twitter.com/EuropeanPravda/status/1499495818843279363?t=SyOZ03GlQNXUxhKFs4Qt4w&s=19
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KitConstantine posted:This program is actually used by farmers to get payments for land that's too wet, steep, rocky, full of clay, or otherwise too poo poo to be planted anyway fyi Yeah, but I think it's the closest that the US has to any kind of "we'll pay you not to plant" program these days, and it's come up in oNlInE conversations lately about how the US can potentially respond to an historic global wheat shortage.
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DOOMocrat posted:Any argument that asserts gay people out or otherwise are the cause of homophobia is a bad one, imo. But anyway, this has nothing to do with this situation, sorry for being in the derail. Crows Turn Off fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Anubis posted:The poll referenced was specifically about reunification with Romania, not joining the EU. I was responding to your last sentence about EU support, which Moldova could get by joining the EU but not NATO. Or just by negotiation without joining, for that matter. This whole conversation is about why Moldova being part of NATO isn't a great idea right now. The EU is another matter. Anubis posted:If Russia doesn't recognize it and says they have no interest in doing so maybe their troops can just GTFO then. They've been able to leave for Anubis posted:Who knows if they wanna annex it, we don't even know if they really wanna annex all of Ukraine. What we know is they're threatening invasion when it's already an important land boarder for getting refuges from the main crisis out. Most of the crossings from Ukraine to Moldova pass through Transnistria*, the region that I just told you has Russian troops on it. Ramping up tensions there doesn't seem like it would help anyone's security. *I don't know how many Ukrainians are actually crossing through Transnistria. I imagine most are avoiding it but it's a substantial detour to the north, unless they're coming from Odessa and sticking to the south. News says that it's taking 24h to get from Odessa to Moldova now. Anubis posted:I was referring to Finland and Sweden as those were the NORTHERN non-nato countries that have been getting the sabers rattled at them and have been talked about extensively in this thread, that you are currently posting in. How am I supposed to know that 'northern territories' refers to Finland and Sweden? Post more clearly if you don't want to be misunderstood.
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Sekenr posted:Russia is in no place to help right now and even if they could, their help might instead hurt. And there is option B: China Why would China try to peel off the Kazakhs and risk pissing off Russia when they can wait around and get the whole Russian bloc as a client, for free? Edit: Tokayev literally does not have any other choices. And the Russians could easily intervene on the same scale again with a couple BTGs. It's not like all of their conventional forces are suddenly on the Ukranian border. DoD briefing indicated no movement of additional reserves or reinforcements in to theater.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:Nothing to do with ethnic conflict there, just ugly opportunism. Contrary to Kremlin’s propaganda, an assload of Ukrainians enjoy going about their days in Russian. Not the least their president himself, who comes from a Russian-speaking family, as I recall it. [the jewish democratically elected president of ukraine speaking in russian]: as a nazi, i cannot wait to purge these perfidious, irredeemable russian-speakers
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dominoeffect posted:Cool! Appreciate you sharing the military perspectives, I really enjoy reading them. Two questions for you: 1) How accurate are 8-digit grid coordinates if 10-digit ones are +/- 10m? 2) I do wonder how useful sending recon squads into Kharkiv like a couple of days ago is? I see what you're saying, but I would imagine that russians would have known that Kharkiv is well-defended and wouldn't send a couple squads to their death, would they? Wikipedia to the rescue. 8-digit grids are accurate to +/- 10m2; 10-digit are accurate to +/- 1m2. I'm glad you appreciate the posts. I can't help but worry they could come across as speculative voyeurism or something like that, but it's hard not to have a professional interest in this conflict. Such professional interest doesn't detract from the very real heartbreak I feel for the Ukrainian people. This whole thing is just awful.
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KitConstantine posted:Is this expulsion going to have any kind of bite? I don't know poo poo about naval stuff. Note Belarus is also expelled though they only had observer status I wasn't familiar with it until now, but I'm guessing not: quote:The Council of the Baltic Sea States (CBSS) is a regional intergovernmental organisation working on three priority areas: Regional Identity, Safe & Secure Region and Sustainable & Prosperous Region. These three priority areas aim to address the themes of sustainable development, environment, sustainable maritime economy, education, labour, culture, youth engagement, civil security, children's rights and trafficking in human beings.
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Sir Bobert Fishbone posted:Yeah, but I think it's the closest that the US has to any kind of "we'll pay you not to plant" program these days, and it's come up in oNlInE conversations lately about how the US can potentially respond to an historic global wheat shortage. All that tells me is a lot of people are really loving ignorant about farming. Which I already knew. Including the edit to my above post here: Edit to expand: Those numbers include all agricultural land, of which cropland is a subset - 250 million cropland to 897 million agricultural land. The states that have the most acres in red also have the most agricultural land in general KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Unkempt posted:https://twitter.com/TedRall/status/1499484386865160198?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet Inviting Jill Stein to dinner once still paying major dividends for GRU disinfo campaigns.
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https://twitter.com/DOJNatSec/status/1499469342962032640 Very, very interesting news here. The first of I assume many that is going to come. *EDIT* He is an ex-Fox News/Sean Hannity producer as well because of course he is.... Djarum fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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Grouchio posted:Joining the EU but not NATO. Smart. Neither can join NATO, Moldova is constitutionally prohibited and Georgia is under occupation.
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Dante posted:Neither can join NATO, Moldova is constitutionally prohibited and Georgia is under occupation. Moldova is also under occupation, there is Russian troops in the breakaway region.
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Grouchio posted:Joining the EU but not NATO. Smart. Eh, he may view EU neighbors as equally threatening. I'm sure he does, actually. Close neighbors prospering independent of Mother Russia's dry busom, is to Mr. Putin, tautologically equivalent to the cultural extinction of his version of Russia.
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Pardon my ignorance but does EU membership actually come with a formalized defense treaty, or is it implied? Because if it's implied, it doesn't seem worth much. e: Militarily, obviously it does economically.
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Ynglaur posted:Wikipedia to the rescue. 8-digit grids are accurate to +/- 10m2; 10-digit are accurate to +/- 1m2. Oh cool, thanks for the wikipedia page. Didn't know much about this stuff. In other news, Rubio has put out a couple of interesting tweets today: https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1499480362522660880 and https://twitter.com/marcorubio/status/1499487368411332612 Edit: Don't know anything about this person, but the news shouldn't be shocking: https://twitter.com/cornubot/status/1499474679370764294 dominoeffect fucked around with this message at 22:43 on Mar 3, 2022 |
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DOOMocrat posted:Pardon my ignorance but does EU membership actually come with a formalized defense treaty, or is it implied? Because if it's implied, it doesn't seem worth much. e: Militarily, obviously it does economically. There is a mutual defence clause. Article 47.2.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Why would China try to peel off the Kazakhs and risk pissing off Russia when they can wait around and get the whole Russian bloc as a client, for free? Why is there an argument about this if they said they are neutral. no way in hell will Kazakhstan send anyone to die in Ukraine to achieve condemnation by the rest of the world. Even fucken Belaris is resisting
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Discendo Vox posted:The end of RT is fantastic; the question is whether there can be similar moves against the under-the-table funded propaganda entities that are used for the same purpose. There are enough fascist pillow salesmen, reverse mortgage lenders and gold brokers in the US looking for easy marks to keep Fox News on-air until the heat death of the universe. As for the others… Celexi posted:Wasn't there some talk a while ago how newsmax was Russian funded? Haven’t heard that about Newsmax, but there’s been a lot of questioning around who initially funded OANN. All three are the subject of a massive defamation lawsuit over the 2020 elections. Fox News will be fine regardless but the potential damages could be enough to sink the other two. DOOMocrat posted:Pardon my ignorance but does EU membership actually come with a formalized defense treaty, or is it implied? Because if it's implied, it doesn't seem worth much. e: Militarily, obviously it does economically. EU does have a defense agreement - binding as well, so my understanding is it’s not just a “here’s some Javelins, good luck” sort of deal like we’re seeing now.
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DOOMocrat posted:Pardon my ignorance but does EU membership actually come with a formalized defense treaty, or is it implied? Because if it's implied, it doesn't seem worth much. e: Militarily, obviously it does economically. There is a mutual defense clause, but its a bit of a catch 22, if you're interested in EU membership because of something like an aggressive neighbor and a disputed border, you don't get to join. Lots of nations have been in limbo for years because the E.U. doesn't want the defense clause to be a reason it immediately has to run to the support of a new member country.
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Turns out Chinese bankers can be as pragmatic as Western bankers regarding risk. https://twitter.com/anders_aslund/status/1499480051355635712?cxt=HHwWgMCyjbDKnM8pAAAA It's extraordinary watching the real-time dissolution of Russia. Every shell they lob has a corresponding equivalent that lands in Moscow.
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DOOMocrat posted:Pardon my ignorance but does EU membership actually come with a formalized defense treaty, or is it implied? Because if it's implied, it doesn't seem worth much. e: Militarily, obviously it does economically. There is indeed a mutual defense clause in the Lisbon Treaty. The problem, of course, is that both Moldova and Georgia are engaged in ongoing territorial disputes. While (as cinci informed me a couple weeks back in this very thread) that doesn't automatically preclude a country from acceding to the EU, it makes it more likely that the same countries that would veto NATO membership for Georgia and Moldova would also veto them joining the EU. e: my goodness, someone keeps spending money on me.
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cr0y posted:What does joining the EU specifically gain? Trade and freedom of movement. You joint the 2nd biggest trading block in the world essentially.
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Blitz of 404 Error posted:Who holds Hostomel right now? Good question. There's been fighting there all day long.
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