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Just came here to post this. While you can't see the wreck too clearly, you can see the An-225 in the background, and in the sun, the nose on the ground, at a different angle from the airframe. 
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Mar 3, 2022 18:34
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Looks like Sabre has officially terminated their agreement with Aeroflot. No dispatching or anything else.
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Nebakenezzer posted:Just came here to post this. While you can't see the wreck too clearly, you can see the An-225 in the background, and in the sun, the nose on the ground, at a different angle from the airframe. Now I’m no plane scientist but that seems less than ideal.
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Mar 3, 2022 18:39
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Beef Of Ages posted:Looks like Sabre has officially terminated their agreement with Aeroflot. No dispatching or anything else. It's slowly dawning on me that so many lockouts are happening with Russian aviation that they are gonna loose the ability to fly airplanes not only out of Russia, but inside Russia as well, unless the types they fly are Russian-produced. You might want to hang on to those An-2s, guys...
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Mar 3, 2022 19:09
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They built 18,000 of them.
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Nebakenezzer posted:It's slowly dawning on me that so many lockouts are happening with Russian aviation that they are gonna loose the ability to fly airplanes not only out of Russia, but inside Russia as well, unless the types they fly are Russian-produced. You might want to hang on to those An-2s, guys... And with Airbus and a wildly reluctant Boeing shutting them out, those fleets are going to become very large paperweights without the ability to get parts and perform basic MX to maintain airworthiness.
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Beef Of Ages posted:And with Airbus and a wildly reluctant Boeing shutting them out, those fleets are going to become very large paperweights without the ability to get parts and perform basic MX to maintain airworthiness. Speaking of: https://twitter.com/jakluge/status/1499373653372420099?s=21
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Mar 3, 2022 19:39
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Isn’t Russia prohibited from “returning” those planes at the moment?
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Mar 3, 2022 19:47
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Greedy Idiots. It turns out rational actors consider “but this time it will be different” to be rational
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Mar 3, 2022 20:35
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Beef Of Ages posted:Looks like Sabre has officially terminated their agreement with Aeroflot. No dispatching or anything else.  For anyone unfamiliar, Sabre is the software that a good deal of the airlines globally use for ticketing, scheduling, marketing, etc etc. It’s a pretty huge deal to lose access to.
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Mar 3, 2022 20:55
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MrYenko posted:
I'm trying to find out if it was just the GDS access that they dropped or if it was the PSS, too. PSS is a much bigger deal.
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Mar 3, 2022 21:03
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If Putin stays in power (and the world still exists which is no longer a given if he has totally lost his mind), Russia is going back 30+ years in tech, innovation and investment and will be utterly toxic to many to even consider dealing with. It will be interesting to see what they do and how beholden to China they become assuming China keeps doing business with them they will I wonder how seriously some officers with access would consider taking up this offer. https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/russian-businessman-places-1-million-bounty-on-putins-head-314495/ I wonder if go fund me would allow a campaign to fund a Putin bounty?
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Mar 3, 2022 21:07
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Beef Of Ages posted:I'm trying to find out if it was just the GDS access that they dropped or if it was the PSS, too. PSS is a much bigger deal. Unfortunately, it looks like the PSS is not included. https://twitter.com/hharteveldt/status/1499415252810801153?t=W5RfsquRhqH6MOt3OJRzrQ&s=19
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Mar 3, 2022 21:13
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MrYenko posted:
I think they also sell paper through their Dunder Mifflin brand. Russia won't be able to print anything either.
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Mar 3, 2022 21:17
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Can you explain what that means? I've heard of Sabre, but not the PSS/GDS
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slidebite posted:Can you explain what that means? I've heard of Sabre, but not the PSS/GDS GDS, or Global Distribution System, is what airlines use to publish inventory to travel agents. There's a handful of them in the world, and Sabre is one of the largest. The PSS, or Passenger Service System, is the core system of record for reservations at the airline no matter what channel they're sold through (GDS, direct on the airline's website, etc.). The PSS often has hooks for dispatching (weight and balance) and check in, boarding, etc. Loss of PSS is a much bigger deal but real impact depends on how Aeroflot was set up with SabreSonic.
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Mar 3, 2022 21:29
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Is Sabre still built on archaic technology
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Mar 3, 2022 21:38
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Charles posted:Is Sabre still built on archaic technology name an enterprise system not built on archaic technology go
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Charles posted:Is Sabre still built on archaic technology It is commercial aviation oriented, therefore it is ancient.
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Mar 3, 2022 21:59
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:name an enterprise system not built on archaic technology go Salesforce.
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Mar 3, 2022 22:12
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Charles posted:Is Sabre still built on archaic technology 
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hobbesmaster posted:Salesforce. Ugh
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quote:will still host the airline on its SabreSonic PSS. Cutting Aeroflot from the PSS would cripple the airline. I mean, yeah? So? That's kind of the point of sanctions. If a country doesn't want to play in the civilized world, they don't get to have civilized things. Yes, I know it would impose a hardship on the people of Russia that largely do not condone a war or even want Putin in power. That's where we are though and every economic tool has to be invoked because the alternative is either genocide or a multi-country nuclear war in Europe.
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Mar 3, 2022 22:36
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hobbesmaster posted:Salesforce. I'm trying to figure out a way to argue you're not right, but you are. Salesforce is not built on archaic technology but boy does it suck.
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Sales forces is built on the ancient rituals of the deep ones, so it’s not built on ancient technology per se.
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What else are you going to use, dynamics?
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hobbesmaster posted:Isn’t Russia prohibited from “returning” those planes at the moment? It probably won't matter, since airlines usually only have a few weeks worth of spare parts on hand, so once that stock gets exhausted, the Russians are going to have a hard time getting more parts from anyone but China, and specialized stuff like engine components that has to come directly from GE or Rolls Royce would be basically impossible to obtain. Even if Aeroflot or S7 decides they're just going to "keep" the leased airplanes, all that does is kick the can down the road, since the leasing companies would probably just start seizing any Aeroflot or S7 assets they could find outside Russia, and I'd assume being unable to obtain new leases or get any kind of financing is probably not good for an airline.
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Beef Of Ages posted:GDS, or Global Distribution System, is what airlines use to publish inventory to travel agents. There's a handful of them in the world, and Sabre is one of the largest. The PSS, or Passenger Service System, is the core system of record for reservations at the airline no matter what channel they're sold through (GDS, direct on the airline's website, etc.). The PSS often has hooks for dispatching (weight and balance) and check in, boarding, etc. Loss of PSS is a much bigger deal but real impact depends on how Aeroflot was set up with SabreSonic. KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:name an enterprise system not built on archaic technology go It's clunkier than it sounds. If its not COBOL its some other absolutely atrocious 70s era language.
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hobbesmaster posted:What else are you going to use, dynamics? I'm experiencing a Pavlovian response as a byproduct of working for one of their competitors.
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slidebite posted:Pretty sure our system is, I poo poo you not, some sort of COBOL based back end with some sort of quasi-windows based interface on the front end. this is my shocked face 
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Besides the programming language, when I used to use Sabre, occasionally you’d see the raw text version of the flight info and it was an option to make it a non-smoking flight.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:this is my shocked face lol
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Any one know if a certain Georgia based or several Kansas based aircraft manufacturers have joined in the sanctions? Are yak-50's now in high demand by Russia's 1%?
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Arson Daily posted:Any one know if a certain Georgia based or several Kansas based aircraft manufacturers have joined in the sanctions? Are yak-50's now in high demand by Russia's 1%? Sanctions regimes are not voluntary. if you're a US company, you're not selling any sanctioned poo poo to Russia.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Sanctions regimes are not voluntary. if you're a US company, you're not selling any sanctioned poo poo to Russia. Yup, and part of why Embraer joined in so they don't jeopardize their relationships with the US and EU, among others.
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