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Yeah that didn’t sit right with some people even at the time.quote:The story took on a life of its own and the number of people to be seated around the table grew to forty. The claim that the Fieldbrook Stump was the source of the slab has never been tested by DNA, but is thought to be true despite the gap in years between its being cut down in 1890, but not slabbed until 1898. quote:Editor of the Times — Sir: Will you allow me to publish in your columns a contradiction of the reports that have been circulated about a section of California redwood recently brought to Cliveden? The section referred to has been placed on the ground as an object of interest, but it has never been intended to use it as a dining table, nor has any bet been made as to the number of persons who could be seated around it. The report repeating these details, and purporting to give an account of a banquet, is a deliberate and mischievous fabrication. I have given instructions to my solicitor, Sir George Lewis, to commence proceedings against the newspaper, which has published the false statements in question. A modern visitor posted:When we got to Cliveden Sarah found the gardens, the garden shop and the gift shop to be very interesting. I spent the time asking where we might find The Astor Cut. No-one had a clue!!! I bought a map – nada. Out of desperation I went to the garden’s entrance and asked the old guy on the gate. He knew. “You come from California to see that bloody lump of wood?” I assured him I had even if my wife had not. “Go down that path about a mile till you come to a statue, take a right and go down it till you’re on the bank of the Thames and it’s on your right. ” As I turned to go he said, “Don’t fall into the bloody river – there’ll be no-one there to pull you out.”   Totally worth cutting it, loading it onto a ship, and taking it around Cape Horn. 
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Stevie Lee posted:this is why i always have a granola bar in my bag if the elevators were unpowered, i would simply army crawl down the stairs
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Mar 4, 2022 04:35
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I lived in a wooded neighborhood awhile ago. One of the larger trees on my route, probably a 70+ year old oak tree was ripped out so that the homeowner could put up some Home Depot special order hollow metal full size ornate lovely personalized street light of their own in that specific location. I don't know what game of thrones tier HOA politics went into it but it started rusting immediately due someone scratching it up. Now I live in a different neighborhood where there are literal log trucks showing up every now and then when someone realizes they can get money for the 8 surviving trees on their lot
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Mar 4, 2022 05:20
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The Bureau of Meteorology in Australia is calling the storms that have caused the flooding here "a 1 in 1000 year event" lol, lmao there's been 3 in the last year that I can remember - Germany, Canada and Australia - so far.
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good to get it out of the way now then plain sailing for the next millennium, see you in 3022
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Pryor on Fire posted:https://twitter.com/OllyMizzi99/status/1499523803533254656?t=50HsAfMLcYfkpAB73W4kOQ its time we learn to live with the firefights and missile strikes at nuclear plants; its endemic now
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Mar 4, 2022 08:11
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starkebn posted:The Bureau of Meteorology in Australia is calling the storms that have caused the flooding here "a 1 in 1000 year event" in the last 12 months British Columbia, Canada has been hit by insane flash flooding which severed the only highway connection between Vancouver and the rest of Canada (among other horrible consequences, like hundreds of thousands of livestock deaths), experienced a heat dome which caused a whole village of 600 people to spontaneously combust (in addition to causing some 500+ heat stroke deaths, mainly among the elderly), and suffered catastrophic wildfires which blanketed Western Canada in smoke for weeks at a time. it's cool though, forest fires and hazy air are just becoming a yearly fact of life now, sort of like California. supposedly the flash flood was a 1 in 500 year event, and the heat dome was a 1 in 1000 year event. just a crazy coincidence I guess, in addition to all the extreme weather across Canada in summer and winter alike, too numerous to mention here. or these "1 in x year" event descriptors have nothing to do with reality and our info is out of date and get used to fighting for catfood in the post disasterpocalypse because your government will not keep you safe and has no idea what it's doing and may even secretly wish for your death.
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Mar 4, 2022 13:35
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The city I used to work in got hit by 3 major hurricanes over the course of a decade. The city engineer went out after the first two and made repeated assurances about 100-year flood zones and how the world wasn't ending etc. The third hurricane hits and cracks the 500 year event threshold and the same guy has to go out and just say "sorry this is just how it is from now on". The city and the state tried to look at potential engineered solutions but none of them were even remotely feasible.
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a god drat idiot posted:The city I used to work in got hit by 3 major hurricanes over the course of a decade. The city engineer went out after the first two and made repeated assurances about 100-year flood zones and how the world wasn't ending etc. The third hurricane hits and cracks the 500 year event threshold and the same guy has to go out and just say "sorry this is just how it is from now on". The city and the state tried to look at potential engineered solutions but none of them were even remotely feasible. I think these guys are just parroting poo poo they remember from that one university course they took 15 years ago. "uh the textbook said an event like this horrible flood is... *flips to table* ah, 1 in 500 years. that's good. some dumb fucker in the future will have to worry about it. and luckily, nothing we do here in the present has any impact on the frequency of these events. *resets year timer*"
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imagining all the irradiated farmland
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the grief and rage
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Koirhor posted:imagining all the irradiated farmland it's cool we just need to scrape off all the top layer of soil and wash it in a warm bath. good thing we only have 160 million acres in production in Canada alone. Canadian farmers have a can-do attitude. should just be a long weekend if the kids help.
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Koirhor posted:imagining all the irradiated farmland Karach posted:it's cool we just need to scrape off all the top layer of soil and wash it in a warm bath. There's a scene near the end of The Day After where one of the characters assembles a group of farmers in a ramshackle ruin without a roof to discuss their future agricultural practices moving forward. Looking at a government pamphlet, he tells every farmer there that they'll need to remove the top 4-5 inches of topsoil (due to fallout contamination), and safely dispose of it elsewhere. You can imagine how the farmers respond to this.
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Hubbert posted:There's a scene near the end of The Day After where one of the characters assembles a group of farmers in a ramshackle ruin without a roof to discuss their future agricultural practices moving forward. Looking at a government pamphlet, he tells every farmer there that they'll need to remove the top 4-5 inches of topsoil (due to fallout contamination), and safely dispose of it elsewhere. in some regions the top 4-5 inches of top soil is the only arable part, thanks to centuries of tillage. all there is 6 inches down is a plough pan as hard as concrete which would need expensive and time consuming ripping operations to be useful.
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Mar 4, 2022 16:37
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Karach posted:in some regions the top 4-5 inches of top soil is the only arable part, thanks to centuries of tillage. all there is 6 inches down is a plough pan as hard as concrete which would need expensive and time consuming ripping operations to be useful. The farmers make the same comment. 
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The Protagonist posted:emTme3 I tried PMing first but no dice. I was recommending https://massextinction.events/ but I hadn't checked it in a minute and now all the prior posts are gone what the people want, the people get. it's back up. Oxxidation posted:manic-depressive swing, more likely it's more the paranoia. take_it_slow posted:...and here's all of TTM except the introduction, which I believe is reiterated in the conclusion... The paranoia from all the narcs all y'all be narc bitches. but whatever. next time you go out of your way to back my poo poo up (lol) at least try to get the root pages. you missed all the context!
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Mar 4, 2022 20:46
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I sent all your writings to a narcotics officer.
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Karach posted:I sent all your writings to a narcotics officer. I'm still grappling with hanson. his deterministic viewpoint will always have a political decision at its base. The dude is brilliant. he knew exactly what was up re: economics (it's a cult) but not so much psychology (it's a cult) or biodeterminism in the sciences (cult), read his marx, etc. his criticisms of 20c communist attempts land hard. The part of his argument that has me stuck is this. basically he recasts social antagonisms as fundamentally eco-social antagonisms - a brilliant move. history here is a struggle between the eco-literate (conscious attempts to live within carrying capacity, long term survival, 'sustainability', etc) and the ecotards (expand to overshoot and dieoff). He argues that due to the fact that the ecotards will always control more energy/carrying capacity and have more brute population size - well; they tend to win. It's hard not to see this across the 20c. All communist victories and projects got overproduced in the end. Liberals are so insane they interpret this as 'communism doesn't work'. yeah but that's the loving point! 20c communism had very little eco-literacy. this is totally unforgivable given how necessary and useful histmat concepts are in understanding the crisis, and how obvious the long term picture should be. we haven't seen eco-communism yet, and may never. emergency war economies against collapse/extinction are inevitable, but they will be extremely late, no longer international, and probably pretty fashy. they won't be able to do much unless they actually have an accurate conceptual framework for understanding the situation. they will not because we do not, and it seems like most intra-systemic politics (including existing communist orgs) also do not. in any case, capitalism is the ultimate ecotard's winning scenario. if you want to overcome it, you have to be able to overproduce it, or have a majority that understands the necessity of throttling production. we have neither and we will not understand the necessity until after it has been thrust upon us. this is another aspect of Hanson's thinking that's solidly materialist and hard to argue with. consciousness-changes comes after changes in conditions. This means we're completely incapable of dealing with collapse and always have been. you either have it planned for in your social projects ideology from the getgo, or dying off is just what humans do. the difference here again is that dying off due to local carrying capacity limits and being a mass extinction event are qualitatively distinct in exactly the same way that capitalism is from all other social modes. i am completely against flattening this distinction in any way, and I think that's the ineradicable political decision/difference here. no other dieoff in our history threatened the continuation of life itself. geologically speaking our history just wasn't significant - until capitalism. The enemy is capitalism and always has been, but we're just too slow and stupid to be able to figure that out fast enough. The eco-framing of class struggle should always have been primary. Hanson quotes someone saying we left reality when we decided to pursue growth on a finite planet in the name of progress. he's right, and that goes for all major 20c politics. emTme3 has issued a correction as of 21:51 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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emTme3 posted:Ideology is a helluva drug. This seems how it was always going to go.. w/ gigadeath is baked in, ultimately it'll be our worst and most vile elements which rise to power and do the only thing they know/like to do which is decide who lives and who dies. Liberals will, en mass, fully nazify with startling rapidity the second their treats are truly threatened.
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The Protagonist posted:This seems how it was always going to go.. w/ gigadeath is baked in, ultimately it'll be our worst and most vile elements which rise to power and do the only thing they know/like to do which is decide who lives and who dies. Liberals will, en mass, fully nazify with startling rapidity the second their treats are truly threatened. these treats include arable land, fresh water, and still-existent natural resources in human habitable conditions Hubbert has issued a correction as of 23:06 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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emTme3 posted:(An excellent summary of why The Immortal Science says we're doomed.) drat. I had some little itch in my mind whenever I read Lenin talk about socialism necessarily needing to be more "efficient" than the west. Some fundamental feeling that it wasn't possible. But idk I just dismissed jt, I am marxist baby after all, barely grasping The Wages System and Value, Price, and Profit. gently caress do I know? Must be that I don't understand something. But oops! There it is, lmao And I agree about coming war communism and its fashy flavour. That's honestly best case scenario at this point isn't it, good god lmao Like an outright uncoordinated eco fascism seems more likely to me. A bunch of dipshits larping as nazis, trying to plant Norman Rockwell forests and then saying "Why not grow???  The jews!  " or whoever the jew of choice is. I assume they'll be climate migrantsWhat a motherfuckin' WORLD am I right bros?!?!?
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:free rime
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mahershalalhashbaz posted:all of australia has problems with invasive californian flora, in a perfect mirror of the situation up north, complete with the introduced trees drastically altering the fire regime because they don't have the associated invertebrate ecosystem to keep their understoreys well-hydrated. there are random dense groves of monterey pine and monterey cypress everywhere. the native parrots like the seeds and they need all the nutrition they can get, so apart from the fire danger it's all good At least Monterey pine is useful, eucalyptus trees do nothing for California except explode
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Mayor Dave posted:trees do nothing for California except explode https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-03-02/wildfire-breaks-out-in-cleveland-national-forest https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/02/16/california-wildfire-bishop-airport-evacuations/6823376001/ related https://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/49738/20220304/california-wildfire-blamed-increased-fecal-bacteria-cloudiness-coastal-waters.htm
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:free rime
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Maybe they were all chode trees. Ever think of that?
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Karach posted:almost criminal when you think about what's going on in the mycorrhizal network fed by that tree. an ancient tree might be a key node in its network, feeding nutrients and water to young trees to help them grow. I try to see the biggest trees near me. I have the notion that I want to see it all before its gone Went to Sipsey Wilderness back in 2020, saw Big Tree, the tallest tulip poplar in Alabama. Happy it was standing. Iirc it's 150 feet tall 
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Samuel Glompers posted:drat. from what they are saying it sounds more like capitalism isn't the enemy but the inherent human drive for competition and capitalism that is the enemy the knowledge of what benefits they get from one action and the consequences of that knowledge
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https://twitter.com/Peters_Glen/status/1500020180432400391
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https://www.psu.edu/news/story/humans-cant-endure-temperatures-and-humidities-high-previously-thought/ Things are much, much worse than we thought! quote:It has been widely believed that a 35°C wet-bulb temperature (equal to 95°F at 100% humidity or 115°F at 50% humidity) was the maximum a human could endure before they could no longer adequately regulate their body temperature, which would potentially cause heat stroke or death over a prolonged exposure. quote:But in their new study, the researchers found that the actual maximum wet-bulb temperature is lower — about 31°C wet-bulb or 87°F at 100% humidity — even for young, healthy subjects. The temperature for older populations, who are more vulnerable to heat, is likely even lower.
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Scientist: hmm, things are always worse than we could have imagined. Let us continue to think as we have always done
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https://twitter.com/SimonDecary/status/1500094283591921665 who wants to tell him
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lmao that line ain't coming down/plateauing anytime soon
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Stevie Lee posted:lmao that line ain't coming down/plateauing anytime soon All Numbers must go up.
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Yeah how is it that even the worst case scenario presented in that chart is still wildly optimistic??
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The most pessimistic version requires permanently stalled growth, or for global efficiency to match all future growth. Seems like a reasonable conclusion and I don’t understand how we managed to get ourselves into so much trouble with our science.
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Don't forget that those lines are only accounting for carbon emissions and we've already admitted they are wrong and are undercounting by 25% or more
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SKULL.GIF posted:https://www.psu.edu/news/story/humans-cant-endure-temperatures-and-humidities-high-previously-thought/ Make sure to secure your stillsuit slip-fashion to avoid the loss of precious moisture.
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