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steinrokkan posted:You say Moscow mule... I simply say Donald trump 
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:that follow-up tweet from meidas is bizarre, $13mm out of a multibillion-dollar pension fund is not "investing heavily". i read through calpers holdings, and they have similar 7 to 8 figure investments spread out across the entire planet in as many niches as possible to try to diversify the fund It’s just to get the aforementioned Twitter Hamilton brunch liberal-types to see Kentucky and Russia in the same sentence and immediately go MOSCOW MITCH without paying attention to the actual details.
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Freedom mules are my preferred drink I would have said Still Kicker
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dominoeffect posted:Oh, thanks. I couldn't recall exactly which ones were involved in the beginning To give you an idea, a separate Russian paratroopers brigade will be ~3000 people with up to ~1600 infantrymen. The initial Hostomel yolodrop did unlikely involve more than 1 battalion, so a fifth of that.
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TheRat posted:I did read the entire conversation, so I ask again. What's Grozny got to do with Ukranians? Nobody ever accused them of shooting their own I mistyped in my reply, thank you for pointing that out. CC was accusing *Chechens* of shooting their own people who were trying to escape.
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KitConstantine posted:Are you seriously implying that the Ukrainians attacked their own civilians right before saying that the *Ukrainians* are spewing propoganda? Okay, thanks for eliminating any doubt of the fact that you are posting in bad faith. the article is about chechnya dude, not ukraine. it is entirely plausible that chechnyan fighters did not want civilians to leave, it is also possible that mistakes were made while under siege.
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Concerned Citizen posted:there is no doubt that the corridor was not super safe, but they did set it up. however, it is almost certainly not the case that they setup the corridor just to shoot people fleeing - the entire purpose of the corridor was to get civilians out so they could kill more fighters. if you read your actual article instead of skimming for owns, you will see it was unclear who attacked those civilians, and you will also see they passed right by - with the journalist's own eyes - a russian column without being machine-gunned to death. "Hmmm yes, it's unclear who attacked those civilians. It could have been anybody. I guess there's just no way to know!", says Man in Hot Dog Suit. Also, saying that a column of civilians wasn't massacred by the Russians while a journalist was watching isn't as strong a case as you think it is for proving the innocence of the Russian soldiers.
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VideoGameVet posted:I suspect the lovely FM WalkieTalkies they are using (as opposed to mil grade digital) played a role in this. Could you theoretically get a hold of Russian artillery and have them fire on their own positions? Or triangulate all Russian positions from their cell signals?
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:German used to be the second most spoken language in America with distinct dialects, newspapers, and neighborhoods where knowing German was necessary. Then world war 1 happened. I'd like to expand on that because I think it is underappreciated. German used to be extremely dominant in Europe and German speaking areas were a scientific powerhouse. From philosophy to physics, before the second world war a lot of scientific publications were even in German. The policies of the Nazis utterly and completely destroyed German as a language of science, the credibility of German universities, and caused an insane drain of qualified scientists from Germany. Russia is running on a smaller scale here, but there's no doubt that this war will have repercussions.
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I mean the Russians haven't been fighting according to Russian doctrine, but after a bunch of Arab-Israeli wars where the line was 'they didn't apply doctrine properly' and the Iraq war where the line was 'they didn't apply doctrine properly' and now this war I think there needs to be some serious conversations in the colleges along the lines of 'maybe this doctrine that looks really sound on paper keeps failing to be applied to reality because it can't be applied to reality'.
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Now the aliens have come, trying to get a piece of the pie https://twitter.com/528vibes/status/1497581068328841221?s=20&t=dA6Eic3BF0KDgq2FbBdiOw
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Concerned Citizen posted:the article is about chechnya dude I know, and I mistyped and named the wrong group. IF you read CC's reply he's accusing the Chechens of Grozny of firing on their own citizens as they tried to flee, apparently to make the Russians look bad. I edited my reply to make clear which group he is accusing of killing their own people
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KitConstantine posted:IF you read CC's reply You're replying to CC lmao. Take a breather dude.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:"Hmmm yes, it's unclear who attacked those civilians. It could have been anybody. I guess there's just no way to know!", says Man in Hot Dog Suit. dude, the russians wanted them to leave. the ideal russia situation would have been for literally every civilian to leave the city because they just wanted to loving level the thing. it's certainly possible they fired on civilians but the entire point of the thing was to get them out, they didn't need to setup some fake corridor in order to kill civilians if that was their goal.
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TulliusCicero posted:Could you theoretically get a hold of Russian artillery and have them fire on their own positions? This isn’t even cell phones. It’s analog and yeah, you can triangulate on it. Just guessing but someone got a contract to supply the radios and delivered these cheap rear end units. My dad, forward artillery spotter in the Pacific in WWII, had better radio gear and more ‘encryped’ since it was Morse and used code.
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TheRat posted:You're replying to CC lmao. Take a breather dude. How about you stop being condecending and concern troll-y first? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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KitConstantine posted:How about you stop being condecending and concern troll-y first? In what possible way am I concern trolling?
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Concerned Citizen posted:dude, the russians wanted them to leave. the ideal russia situation would have been for literally every civilian to leave the city because they just wanted to loving level the thing. it's certainly possible they fired on civilians but the entire point of the thing was to get them out, they didn't need to setup some fake corridor in order to kill civilians if that was their goal. Except the Russians have done exactly that. Multiple times in the past. This is a military whose past "special actions" included ethnic cleansing in nearly every operation they've conducted. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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KitConstantine posted:How about you stop being condecending and concern troll-y first? I disagree with TheRat on a bunch if stuff and do appreciate your tweet posts but it might be a good idea for a break.
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KitConstantine posted:I know, and I mistyped and named the wrong group. IF you read CC's reply he's accusing the Chechens of Grozny of firing on their own citizens as they tried to flee, apparently to make the Russians look bad. well, that's me. i'm that guy. but that is not impossible - not to make them look bad, but because it would be advantageous to have civilians in the city. isis did the same thing. it's also possible that russians fired on them, sure, or that chechnyans fired on them by mistake, but there is literally no purpose to massacring civilians trying to flee on purpose. they were already more than capable of killing all the civilians they wanted without a fake corridor.
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Lmao if alien first contact ends this war.
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In actual news, massive pro-Ukranian protests in Georgia. https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1499806830696050689?t=lLz_haBK20h5aCJ9DoatjA&s=19
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freeasinbeer posted:Lmao if alien first contact ends this war. Sorry aliens, now is not a good time. Can you check back in a year or two or if you smell smoke from out by Pluto?
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TulliusCicero posted:Could you theoretically get a hold of Russian artillery and have them fire on their own positions? no, even if some joker managed to convincingly feed russian artillery false targeting data, it would be pretty obvious checking the numbers that it would be shooting at russian troops. generally artillery is going to know where their own front lines are, it is one of the things you absolutely need to be aware of
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John F Bennett posted:Now the aliens have come, trying to get a piece of the pie I wonder whose advanced spy drone this actually is.
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KitConstantine posted:Why? Why say this? i mean if you're in a country about to take a hard autocratic turn while hunting out 'traitors' its a fairly reasonable strategy to get on the crazy pro-government extreme side to avoid being part of the purged of course, this creates a very bad extremist spiral
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Welp. Facebook now completely blocked in Russia. I've seen speculation that YouTube is next https://twitter.com/Mike_Eckel/status/1499809123642269704?t=7i93skBBNYEiGEcDVHYeLA&s=19
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John F Bennett posted:Now the aliens have come, trying to get a piece of the pie It's the Vulcans coming to save us from ourselves, but they watched two Russian tank groups fire on each other and another group shell a nuclear plant and went "nah they got this, gently caress that poo poo"
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Concerned Citizen posted:well, that's me. i'm that guy. but that is not impossible - not to make them look bad, but because it would be advantageous to have civilians in the city. isis did the same thing. it's also possible that russians fired on them, sure, or that chechnyans fired on them by mistake, but there is literally no purpose to massacring civilians trying to flee on purpose. they were already more than capable of killing all the civilians they wanted without a fake corridor. I'm not saying this was the case, but wouldn't "Russians fire on the civilians and blame the Chechens" the exact definition of a false flag operation, that then justifies the actions in Grozny/etc.? I just have a hard time rectifying that whenever Russia sets up a "safe corridor", that anti-civilian activities occur and it's always, conveniently, someone else's fault.
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:no, even if some joker managed to convincingly feed russian artillery false targeting data, it would be pretty obvious checking the numbers that it would be shooting at russian troops. generally artillery is going to know where their own front lines are, it is one of the things you absolutely need to be aware of I have it on good authority that the Russian army might be having some friendly fire problems already.
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I’ve heard a lot of hubbub about how US military has all this experience from Iraq/Afghanistan and that you need experience or your military becomes a joke. But shouldn’t Russia have plenty of operational experience from Georgia, Crimea and the insurgency in Donbas?
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MSB3000 posted:I have it on good authority that the Russian army might be having some friendly fire problems already. "Russia, go home, you're drunk"
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freeasinbeer posted:Lmao if alien first contact ends this war. I got some bad news buddy: https://www.wionews.com/science/russia-ukraine-crisis-deterring-aliens-from-making-their-presence-known-says-ufo-specialist-449854
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Captain Beans posted:I’ve heard a lot of hubbub about how US military has all this experience from Iraq/Afghanistan and that you need experience or your military becomes a joke. Syria, specifically. I recall reading pre-invasion that Russia had made sure to cycle all of its units through Syria to get them combat experience. Apparently it didn't take 
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Saint Kyivanka posted:I'm not saying this was the case, but wouldn't "Russians fire on the civilians and blame the Chechens" the exact definition of a false flag operation, that then justifies the actions in Grozny/etc.? Can't imagine why the Ukrainians might not trust them https://twitter.com/abdujalil/status/1499810315743244293?t=Du0qJwZumPkF-dEZOncdFg&s=19
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Saint Kyivanka posted:I'm not saying this was the case, but wouldn't "Russians fire on the civilians and blame the Chechens" the exact definition of a false flag operation, that then justifies the actions in Grozny/etc.? well, the russians didn't need to justify their activities in chechnya. they committed many well-documented war crimes. the chechens, who were radical islamists, were also known to commit war crimes and use hostages. they were not good dudes fighting for their freedom against a tyrannical russian government, they were bad dudes fighting to maintain a far-right and brutal theocracy against other bad dudes. it would not be surprising at all for the chechen militants to not want people to use the corridor, whereas russia would very much want people to use the corridor because it makes it far easier to level the city without civilians running around. i'm not saying that russia will never betray anyone, but they are not cartoonishly evil, they have humanitarian corridors for political and military reasons. this isn't medieval europe and they aren't going to try to starve a city into submission, which is impossible. they want people out so they can more easily take the city. i am also not saying that the russians didn't use a fake humanitarian corridor to kill a bunch of ukrainian army, entirely possible that happened. Concerned Citizen fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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evilweasel posted:Syria, specifically. I recall reading pre-invasion that Russia had made sure to cycle all of its units through Syria to get them combat experience. Well if early stories are to believed a lot of the units sent in at the start were conscripts from as late as december. They definitely haven't been combat hardened, let alone trained properly.
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Captain Beans posted:I’ve heard a lot of hubbub about how US military has all this experience from Iraq/Afghanistan and that you need experience or your military becomes a joke. experience is good, but you also need money. if russian vehicles are breaking down in the field for lack of maintenance, that's going to be a problem no matter how much experience you have there could also be a problem with political goals conflicting with the reality of military planning and readiness, but we can only guess from the outside. are you going to be the general who tells putin that his desire to conquer ukraine is unrealistic given the shoddy state of the military? previous operations were smaller in scale and didn't require mustering this level of combat power, so you could bring just a small slice of the most ready guys and leave the 5th Flat Tire Bde at home
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Djarum posted:It is how Russian Military plans, trains and thinks effectively. Most militaries have a philosophy so to speak and their hardware and tactics help enable that. You can say that Nato's, as much as you can say a conglomeration of nation states that only share technical specs, doctrine,m focusing on technology, is a direct result of Russia's age old doctrine of encirclement by sending shabby units followed by high tier units. From what I've read Russia has always been seen as winning a conventional war in Europe says nuclear weapons, and the feverish rush to technological upgrades in Western militaries is an attempt to counteract that
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