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Went to https://zenrus.ru/ to see if it updated. 124 RUB to 1 USD
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TheRat posted:I did read the entire conversation, so I ask again. What's Grozny got to do with Ukranians? Nobody ever accused them of shooting their own Grozny fake humanitarian corridors won't happen in Ukraine because of Russian virtue, I think
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Mar 4, 2022 19:26
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Concerned Citizen posted:well, the russians didn't need to justify their activities in chechnya. they committed many well-documented war crimes. the chechens, who were radical islamists, were also known to commit war crimes and use hostages. they were not good dudes fighting for their freedom against a tyrannical russian government, they were bad dudes fighting to maintain a far-right and brutal theocracy against other bad dudes. it would not be surprising at all for the chechen militants to not want people to use the corridor, whereas russia would very much want people to use the corridor because it makes it far easier to level the city without civilians running around. When has Russia ever cared about whether there are civilian casualties or not? I don't disagree that Chechen militants were bad, and they very well could have done it. But if you're the Russian government, fighting in an area where there are people that are pro-Russian, pro-Chechen insurgents, and then those who are just trying to survive, there are worse things than attacking civilians and blaming the Chechen extremists, since it probably gets more support behind Russia's cause than simply leveling the city with said civilians would. It goes from "Russia loving leveled our city and innocent civilians!" to "Russia needed to liberate the city before the insurgents kill more civilians!" Again, I honestly don't know who actually committed it, but unless you have 100% verifiable proof, it's probably best to be just as skeptical toward anything Russia offers as anyone else offering it.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:27
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John F Bennett posted:Now the aliens have come, trying to get a piece of the pie This is probably the same kind of Russian drone they were flying over US navy ships off San Diego a few areas ago. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/05/28/ufo-radar-video-shows-objects-swarming-navy-ship/7487390002/
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Mar 4, 2022 19:27
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Interesting trend today - a lot more Russian capture/movement videos are popping up. I think they realized that Ukrainians were making them look like idiots and are trying to counter the narrative. Two problems. Their capture pictures videos are often much less impressive - like so https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1499793578591236260?t=rYNMTuuLZPx6C-HCkrd_Ww&s=19 Or actively detrimental given that Ukraine has been specifically requesting video of their positions/movements for internal and crowdsourced position data - see below https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1499805277583024133?t=zXol4o3H3HNqHzzmXRyNEg&s=19 Maybe it's for domestic consumption? Because right now the contrast is making things even worse
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Mar 4, 2022 19:27
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Concerned Citizen posted:well, the russians didn't need to justify their activities in chechnya. they committed many well-documented war crimes. the chechens, who were radical islamists, were also known to commit war crimes and use hostages. they were not good dudes fighting for their freedom against a tyrannical russian government, they were bad dudes fighting to maintain a far-right and brutal theocracy against other bad dudes. it would not be surprising at all for the chechen militants to not want people to use the corridor, whereas russia would very much want people to use the corridor because it makes it far easier to level the city without civilians running around. Uhhhh So what about the first Chechen War?
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Mar 4, 2022 19:27
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Captain Beans posted:I’ve heard a lot of hubbub about how US military has all this experience from Iraq/Afghanistan and that you need experience or your military becomes a joke. They do, which makes their failures so far so preplexing. Their initial moves were either the result of incompetent planning, or insufficient planning due to a last minute decision to invade, or a failure to understand that the Ukrainians would actually fight instead of simply watching uncoordinated Russian columns move in with their mouths open. So far, serious observers are waiting for signs the Russians are cleaning up their act. We have seen little of that though to be fair, it would probably take more time than has passed since the invasion began for them to fix any of the unsuspected underlying issues. It may also be because the Gerogian and Crimean operations were made by the small full time professional core of the Russian army while this operation is clearly documented to rely on many conscript formations that are decidedly unprofessional and unable to actually carry out Russian war plans.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:28
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Shes Not Impressed posted:Went to https://zenrus.ru/ to see if it updated. Markets will re-open Monday and that'll likely change a lot then.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:28
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KitConstantine posted:Or actively detrimental given that Ukraine has been specifically requesting video of their positions/movements for internal and crowdsourced position data - see below Considering the video shows the aftermath of a decently sized battle with destroyed Ukranian armour, I think we can safely say Ukraine already knows they're there.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:29
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Saint Kyivanka posted:When has Russia ever cared about whether there are civilian casualties or not? I don't disagree that Chechen militants were bad, and they very well could have done it. But if you're the Russian government, fighting in an area where there are people that are pro-Russian, pro-Chechen insurgents, and then those who are just trying to survive, there are worse things than attacking civilians and blaming the Chechen extremists, since it probably gets more support behind Russia's cause than simply leveling the city with said civilians would. i mean, the original point was what would happen in the event of a russian siege. and i said i think russia would probably setup corridors to get people out. i stand by that, russia has political and military reasons to want to evacuate as many civilians as possible from the city. it would be the best possible thing for them if literally every civilian left, they would simply artillery the whole thing into the ground and not have to worry at all about urban combat. killing civilians trying to flee would, in fact, severely discourage people from using the corridor, thereby defeating the purpose of doing it in the first place.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:29
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CommieGIR posted:Markets will re-open Monday and that'll likely change a lot then. I seriously don’t think they’ll open at all in March.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:29
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:no, even if some joker managed to convincingly feed russian artillery false targeting data, it would be pretty obvious checking the numbers that it would be shooting at russian troops. generally artillery is going to know where their own front lines are, it is one of the things you absolutely need to be aware of Getting artillery to waste precious ammunition firing on an empty field or prompting a wild goose chase by reporting a fictitious UA force pushing into a flanking position would both be wins though.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:30
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CommieGIR posted:Markets will re-open Monday and that'll likely change a lot then. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-04/russia-keeps-stock-trading-closed-in-nation-s-longest-shutdown Paywall but it's through next Wednesday now.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:30
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Concerned Citizen posted:i mean, the original point was what would happen in the event of a russian siege. and i said i think russia would probably setup corridors to get people out. i stand by that, russia has political and military reasons to want to evacuate as many civilians as possible from the city. it would be the best possible thing for them if literally every civilian left, they would simply artillery the whole thing into the ground and not have to worry at all about urban combat. killing civilians trying to flee would, in fact, severely discourage people from using the corridor, thereby defeating the purpose of doing it in the first place. I admire your wide-eyed optimism. OK, maybe admire is the wrong word.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:31
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CommieGIR posted:Markets will re-open Monday and that'll likely change a lot then. freeasinbeer posted:I seriously don’t think they’ll open at all in March. They said "Monday", never specified which one. 
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Mar 4, 2022 19:32
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Saint Kyivanka posted:I'm not saying this was the case, but wouldn't "Russians fire on the civilians and blame the Chechens" the exact definition of a false flag operation, that then justifies the actions in Grozny/etc.? It's just one story, but one dude from Chechnya that ended up in Poland said that Russian helicopter crews occasionally dropped grenades on them. According to him it was just pure spite more than anything else.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:32
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:i think its a combination of russia using its tanks in a far more risky way in this conflict (america was highly risk averse to the optics of losing a tank), poor logistics and morale causing tanks to be abandoned by their crews, and an expectation that ukraine would not be able to field as many modern ATGMs and drones as they actually have to kill tanks with My complete speculation to try and explain some of the weird poo poo going on has been that it's less about the technology and entirely about the dumbass way it's being used. They had a 100% confident plan to assault that Kyiv airport and be able to overthrow the government pretty quickly. Then their puppet government would order everyone to stand down while they focused their attack on the areas they wanted in the east and anyone who refused to lay down arms. Most of the invasion force outside of the east wasn't actually prepped and ready for a full scale sustained invasion because they didn't think they'd have to do one. The plan would have been for most Ukrainian forces to stand down while they murdered the Azov battalion and anyone who wouldn't lay down arms, which is probably where their two week timeframe came from. Taking a few cities and fighting 1% as much. They began by attacking from Crimea and went for that Kyiv airport first thing with their elite airborne units to overthrow the government and got massacred unexpectedly. Which committed them to a full scale invasion. Which is when the escalation started. They fought disorganized for a day or two where you could start to see the horrific losses inflicted on them in the fighting but they did prep a second airport assault with 200 helicopters and go straight for it again, weirdly focusing on that one specific airport above everything else in the country. Their unprepared invasion forces ate poo poo while they scrambled for that one specific target. Then the 200 helicopter assault actually finished off the airport but they couldn't translate that into overthrowing the government so their still unprepared army kept getting massacred and started running out of supplies. That's when they went they started drawing more of the invasion force that hadn't been used yet because they were 10,000% committed to a full scale invasion they weren't winning yet. Their most organized forces (Eastern area targeting Kharkiv/Odessa and the black sea fleet) were prepared for the sustained ground war but everywhere else was just a clowncar parade losing them hundreds of vehicles and soldiers. After a few more days of getting owned they ordered most of the rest of the invasion force into the country. Once the full clowncar battalion started smashing up into giant traffic jams and running out of gas and food they stopped being restrained and started bombing the poo poo out of the eastern areas where their only prepared and supplied units are still fighting and making gains. Being this incompetent makes all projections and studies of conventional warfare completely useless. If you had a giant flat field and put both armies in it Russia would obviously win. They are instead killing themselves by being dumb as poo poo and are now stuck in a fight they refuse to not win. The aggressor apparently has no real plan and has to fight a reactionary defensive war during their own attack. If a ceasefire isn't reached or Russia doesn't gently caress off and try to save face by declaring they've won enough victory for now then they are going to get even more desperate which is extremely loving dangerous. The entire concept of Capital R Russia is on the line now because they just had to loving invade someone and refuse to loving stop. They opened up on a nuclear power plant last night because it supplies the capital of the country they can't invade with power. Rectal Death Adept fucked around with this message at 19:38 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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CommieGIR posted:Markets will re-open Monday and that'll likely change a lot then. i believe that the current exchange rate quotes are from exchanges outside russia, because inside russia they fixed an official exchange rate for whenever they reopen (90-1 iirc)
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Mar 4, 2022 19:32
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Interesting that the Ukrainians are able to take proactive measures like this in the south right now. https://twitter.com/loogunda/status/1499814404925399041?t=NxNjd6hQjWnTF95dRix5mQ&s=19
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Mar 4, 2022 19:35
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sniper4625 posted:https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-03-04/russia-keeps-stock-trading-closed-in-nation-s-longest-shutdown They are really, really trying to avoid ripping off the bandaid. https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1499742788946120707?s=20&t=hgb8wOnQM17-Pm-Vs7J98w
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Mar 4, 2022 19:38
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I don't know what Agency is in terms of its connection to Russia or how trustworthy it is but I'll link this if only for "Everything is hosed," a source close to Putin's administration told Agency. Also Kremlin staff apparently didn't know. https://www.businessinsider.com/kremlin-staff-didnt-expect-ukraine-invasion-sanctions-shock-report-2022-3?international=true&r=US&IR=T
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Mar 4, 2022 19:39
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Djarum posted:The US has had a Global Hawk up almost 24/7 along with multiple RC-135s, satellites and god knows what we don't even know about. I am pretty sure the DOD has a better idea of what is going on there than anyone else on earth.
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In a move some would call "on the nose" Moscow cops searched the Memorial Human Rights center and have been harassing their employees Thread https://twitter.com/EnMemorial/status/1499767832078426117?t=oITORtWpC-2QC6I-IkXizw&s=19 Mission of International Memorial their website mission statement posted:International Historical Educational Charitable and Human Rights Society «Memorial» (International Memorial) is a non-commercial organisation studying political repressions in the USSR and in present-day Russia and promoting moral and legal rehabilitation of persons subjected to political repressions.
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Szmitten posted:I don't know what Agency is in terms of its connection to Russia or how trustworthy it is but I'll link this if only for "Everything is hosed," a source close to Putin's administration told Agency. Also Kremlin staff apparently didn't know. Sanctions were expected, but the whole world has rallied in an unprecedented way. China is avoiding touching the poop, and just about everything the West threatened to do they've done and more. This is similar to the piles of sanctions Japan was under in the lead-up to WW2. If Russia doesn't pull back (and I don't expect Putin will) they're looking at total economic collapse.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:43
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I’ve seen Russian citizens mocking the special military operation and replacing the word “war” with “special military operation” in random contexts So it turns out that Tolstoy wrote “Special Military Operation and Peace”
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Mar 4, 2022 19:45
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CommieGIR posted:They are really, really trying to avoid ripping off the bandaid. Seems like this guy is very concerned about a revolt by his own people with no Russian military to back him up, or his own troops.
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steinrokkan posted:What should we rename - the White Sunflower - the Ukrainian Tractor
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Father and son trying to rescue their dogs get ambushed by RU forces  Obviously,  ik edit: civilian murderedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mb3_R__r7Go (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Somebody fucked around with this message at 20:22 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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kaaj posted:I’ve seen Russian citizens mocking the special military operation and replacing the word “war” with “special military operation” in random contexts Special Military Operation 2 was either their finest moment or a lovely knockoff Call of Duty game. Either or.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:I thought the same for years, that Russia's information war strategy is creating many different lies, and blasting all of them on multiple channels. Its a very smart way to cover up the truth as different people will believe different lies and keeps people confused. Ynglaur made a good post about this: Ynglaur posted:This is worth re-posting. This is how misinformation campaigns work. It's not that they convince you a particular thing is true: it's that they force you to doubt everything else. Russia is very, very good at maskirovka, and arguably has been since at least the Second World War. They're good at it strategically, operationally, and tactically. If decision makers are less certain as to the facts, they spend more time verifying, and less time deciding and acting. This certainly help if you're going to invade someone, but can advance Russia's aims even if they don't. And the word to look for if you want to learn more is maskirovka. You have to view the Russian state media as extensions of the Russian military.
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KitConstantine posted:Interesting trend today - a lot more Russian capture/movement videos are popping up. I think they realized that Ukrainians were making them look like idiots and are trying to counter the narrative. Javelin missiles come in a disposable launch tube that disconnects from the CLU after you fire it. It's worse than useless, they captured the equivalent of shell casings.
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TulliusCicero posted:Seems like this guy is very concerned about a revolt by his own people with no Russian military to back him up, or his own troops. He shouldn't worry so much, Russia wouldn't allow that to happen while they have troops stationed in his country.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:50
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KitConstantine posted:Interesting that the Ukrainians are able to take proactive measures like this in the south right now. I mean, Transnistria is quite far from the area Russia controls in the south.
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Mar 4, 2022 19:56
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KitConstantine posted:In a move some would call "on the nose" Moscow cops searched the Memorial Human Rights center and have been harassing their employees Memorial was targetted a couple weeks before the invasion. Likely there was a connection, since it was one of places that worked in coordinating information exchange about actions of Russian state. I vaguely remember they also helped mothers know where their sons died, but it might be other similarly named organization.
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Captain Beans posted:I’ve heard a lot of hubbub about how US military has all this experience from Iraq/Afghanistan and that you need experience or your military becomes a joke. Russian army's major wars were Georgia (where they were much worse than what we're observing) and Syria. Crimea had very limited fighting, and Donbas mostly featured artillery.
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KitConstantine posted:I posted this thread earlier - really good summary of the issues with attacking Odessa from the sea. Pro-click imo. So will ATGM hit those big rear end ships? The ones like this? https://mobile.twitter.com/CovertShores/status/1499655740428017665 If so can ATGM and RPGs do damage to something like that?
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Captain Beans posted:I’ve heard a lot of hubbub about how US military has all this experience from Iraq/Afghanistan and that you need experience or your military becomes a joke. Fighting against massively inferior forces / insurgencies might be worse than no experience if you learn the wrong lessons.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:So will ATGM hit those big rear end ships? The ones like this? The answer is yes, basically, but hitting over waves is harder than it sounds so the most vulnerable time will be when those transports hit the beach.
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I think the amphib ops are mostly a decoy, a la Desert Storm.
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the popes toes posted:Guardian: Sainsbury's is also donating 2m to humanitarian aid, which is quite a surprising amount to be honest. As far as I'm aware as a company they have no real ties to either Ukraine or Russia. They're stopping the sale of the only two products they buy directly from Russia which is Russian Standard vodka and some kind of toasted seeds.
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