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Retromancer posted:The PDW project is the classic example of a MIC boondoggle that spends billions to make poo poo that doesn't work as well as the M4 carbine that's been around since the 80s based on a weapon platform from the 60s. Um excuse me but what if a rear echelon vehicle crew needs to fight armored Jaffa warriors, 5.56 ballistics are insufficient to defeat Goa'uld composite armor and furthermore 
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Oglethorpe posted:it's the intergalactic weapon of choice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjlCVW_ouL8
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i say swears online posted:lol no way, the airborne themselves would parachute into the pentagon to stop any cuts Didn't stop the 101st from being stripped of their jump status, and the Army even disbanded all the LRS companies recently so it's not like they're adverse to getting rid of "elite" heritage units.
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Justin Tyme posted:Didn't stop the 101st from being stripped of their jump status, and the Army even disbanded all the LRS companies recently so it's not like they're adverse to getting rid of "elite" heritage units. Paratroopers: We need first pick of recruits, only the best can deal with jumping out of an airplane and we'll leave other formations with the dregs  Also paratroopers: You can't get rid of paratroopers, they're the elite of light infantry due to the morale and combat ability-boosting effects of jumping out of airplanes 
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Justin Tyme posted:Didn't stop the 101st from being stripped of their jump status, and the Army even disbanded all the LRS companies recently so it's not like they're adverse to getting rid of "elite" heritage units. well that's egg on my face, i didn't even know. i was wondering why you didn't mention them as well in your previous post
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i say swears online posted:well that's egg on my face, i didn't even know. i was wondering why you didn't mention them as well in your previous post The 101st haven't been an airborne unit since the 70's, they're an air assault division now. There's also the 173rd (itself a brigade) and a brigade of the 25th ID who are still jump qualified "regular" units, but pretty much every nation that still has paratroopers has brigade-sized units only. Justin Tyme has issued a correction as of 22:32 on Mar 4, 2022 |
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maybe they should change their loving name if it's been over fifty years
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I really need a crash course in military terminology and history this might as well be greek for all I understand of it
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i say swears online posted:maybe they should change their loving name if it's been over fifty years Supposedly they're waiting for the last surviving jump qualified 101st veteran that served during their time as an airborne unit to die, but that could be BS for all I know.
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The Oldest Man posted:AFAICT that's not what happened, though. The paratroopers did their flashy air drop and were then promptly shoved off the airport in short order on the 24th. The next day, advancing Russian ground forces retook the airport when they broke through at Ivankiv and then consolidated their position with VDV reinforcements coming via mass helicopter lift. The VDV who landed at Gostomel were apparently alive and relieved by the ground troops on the 25th: https://twitter.com/200_zoka/status/1497110084933107731 Russian MOD is stating that the VDV at Gostomel managed to land, hold out, and were relieved by ground forces yesterday. BBC's source is saying that the Russians used 200 helicopters for the operation. https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=1&nid=568376&lang=RU OG Russian posted:Киев блокирован с запада - Минобороны РФ Google Translate posted:Kyiv blocked from the west - Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation https://twitter.com/LindseyMastis/status/1497189682878291981
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something I’ve been thinking about the US managed logistics for two wars in the Middle East, one in a land locked mountainous region for decades. like it’s a gigantic pain in the rear end to get containers to and from Afghanistan. RF can’t seem to manage logistics in a country bordering itself, that it has direct road and rail connections to and held parts of before the conflict.
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The video you posted is from the 24th; and also, I don't think they were wiped out, just pushed back into the surrounding area, and there were some Ukr forces videos posting them dancing at the airport afterward so I'm inclined to believe that counterattack did land even if it was only successful for a few hours. The VDV may very well have mostly survived the 24th, regrouped in the area and linked up with the advancing ground forces who were then reinforced by helicopter lift. We probably won't find out the real detailed course of events until the history books are written. Again though, just raises the question of why bother with paratroopers. They had a ground advance force take the airport literally the next day.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:the US managed logistics for two wars in the Middle East, one in a land locked mountainous region for decades. like it’s a gigantic pain in the rear end to get containers to and from Afghanistan. they managed logistics so well that over a year into the conflict members of popular website Something Awful Dot Com felt compelled to raise tens of thousands of dollars to source and ship troops some body armor
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you’re not making the point you think you are. I have things sent back from both Iraq and Afghanistan from friends and family and sent things to them. like you know functional mail system. I’m not sure are they even going to set up bases? did they plan to?
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Bar Ran Dun posted:I have things sent back from both Iraq and Afghanistan from friends and family and sent things to them. like you know functional mail system. military logistics isn’t just shipping lol
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Bar Ran Dun posted:you’re not making the point you think you are. why would russia occupy ukraine? i dont think they give a poo poo about that.
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Centrist Committee posted:I really need a crash course in military terminology and history this might as well be greek for all I understand of it Airborne = parachutes, air assault is helicopters.
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indigi posted:military logistics isn’t just shipping lol everything from ore in bulk to parcels is shipping my dude. there is very little I haven’t had my grubby fingers into in shipping. I mean product tankers is about it. Real hurthling! posted:why would russia occupy ukraine? i dont think they give a poo poo about that. they don’t really have a choice at this point.
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I don't think they ever had a problem delivering military supplies in Iraq, sure a bunch of truckers got ambushed (Remember Jessica Lynch, lol?), it's just that a bunch of non-lethal support functions of the military were essentially privatized to contractors and the contractors didn't show up because they couldn't find enough minimum wage workers to cook or do laundry in a war zone. Eventually they resorted to the tried-and-true tactic of lying to people and then taking their passports so they couldn't leave and things got fixed, but for the first few months of the occupation there were stories of American soldiers eating MREs and living in filth while their coalition counterparts were living reasonably well because their support systems were still in-house.
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Bar Ran Dun posted:everything from ore in bulk to parcels is shipping my dude. there is very little I haven’t had my grubby fingers into in shipping. I mean product tankers is about it. wow cool
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sullat posted:I don't think they ever had a problem delivering military supplies in Iraq https://www.nytimes.com/2004/02/03/world/struggle-for-iraq-official-history-army-study-iraq-war-details-morass-supply.html https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA431720 https://www.nationaldefensemagazine.org/articles/2003/9/1/2003september-battery-supplies-ran-dangerously-low-in-iraq https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7249/j.ctt19w72gs.17?seq=3#metadata_info_tab_contents 
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remember when we discovered what IEDs are and realized humvees' floors are made out of wax paper, then people started donating money for body armor
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sullat posted:it's just that a bunch of non-lethal support functions of the military were essentially privatized to contractors and the contractors didn't show up because they couldn't find enough minimum wage workers to cook or do laundry in a war zone. this is eventually going to be an even bigger problem. many of the privatized functions the contractors just hired the enlisted guys that used to do it. but now you don’t have the next guy being built and trained by services. and at some point the guys that know how to do it get old and retire. lol at private companies training skilled workers when that happens, that poo poo costs money.
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right so when this poo poo’s over will there be a Russian equivalent of a colonel critiquing internal distribution problems of ammunition publicly in a paper that will inform future actions. lmao now the Chinese... they’ll just read that American Lt. Colonel’s paper and not gently caress it up when they do it.
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The Oldest Man posted:5.56 ballistics are insufficient to defeat Goa'uld composite armor and furthermore then why do all the marines attached to the sgc use m4s Goast has issued a correction as of 07:08 on Mar 5, 2022 |
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Did anyone actually ever get body armor or did the 'tax grift that too
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gradenko_2000 posted:Did anyone actually ever get body armor or did the 'tax grift that too you know edit troops got tons of plates and poo poo like 18 months after the hubbub but it wasn't from the charities lol
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didn’t PayPal freeze the funds for a few months cause Lowtax suddenly collected ~$50k through hundreds of donations in 24 hours from all over the world on a personal account? I didn’t follow it that closely since I was just a frontpage casual at the time
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indigi posted:drat he beat her too ? 
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indigi posted:drat he beat her too ?
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lmao whatabout minor supply distribution issues in Iraq I argue while extremely used cargo vans marked with Z are being railed in to replace lost heavy trucks. tremendous content. what a poo poo show. before this I had thought Putin was an intelligent manipulator. pressing on the divisions within our society. bribing / buying our politicians. outright controlling an American President. dividing the EU internally. hosed all that right up.
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How are Russia and China near-parity when we spend $800 billion bucks on the military in every budget?
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Grand Theft Autobot posted:How are Russia and China near-parity when we spend $800 billion bucks on the military in every budget? They may have "parity" in technology but not quantity. The Russian and Chinese navy are tiny compared to the US for example, and the US Navy is actually one of the largest air forces in the world on top of that. Whether or not hypersonic cruise missiles can negate that disadvantage though is another question.
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Justin Tyme posted:They may have "parity" in technology but not quantity. The Russian and Chinese navy are tiny compared to the US for example, and the US Navy is actually one of the largest air forces in the world on top of that. Whether or not hypersonic cruise missiles can negate that disadvantage though is another question. there's also regulatory capture to think about, which is less of a problem in china (russia tbd atm)
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Justin Tyme posted:They may have "parity" in technology but not quantity. The Russian and Chinese navy are tiny compared to the US for example, and the US Navy is actually one of the largest air forces in the world on top of that. Whether or not hypersonic cruise missiles can negate that disadvantage though is another question.
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Justin Tyme posted:They may have "parity" in technology but not quantity. The Russian and Chinese navy are tiny compared to the US for example, and the US Navy is actually one of the largest air forces in the world on top of that. Whether or not hypersonic cruise missiles can negate that disadvantage though is another question. yeah the US is number one just off that Napoleon “I spend 30,000 lives a month, you cannot stop me” strategy before even bringing tech competence or whatever into it
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Danann posted:Russian MOD is stating that the VDV at Gostomel managed to land, hold out, and were relieved by ground forces yesterday. BBC's source is saying that the Russians used 200 helicopters for the operation. That's fun because on the day Ukraine claimed 34 helicopters were used. But bigger number looks more impressive I guess.
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