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Tibalt
May 14, 2017

What, drawn, and talk of peace! I hate the word, As I hate hell, all Montagues, and thee

The Orcus conversion is pretty close to a 4e retroclone.

But for OSR games, I really like Knave and Mausritter, but those are pretty stripped down classless versions, so not really 5e.

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Countblanc
Apr 20, 2005

Help a hero out!
I'm immensely lazy so I just run any combat-heavy fantasy game in Strike.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

Covermeinsunshine posted:

What OSR game would you recommend for "d&d" fix? I do have Godbound(as far as osr goes) and Soulbound (as far as high fantasy goes)with are both good games, but recently I have been watching a lot of black dice society and similar actual plays, so would like to see what my options are in that corner.

Old School Essentials has become the current standard in the OSR for a reason, though Basic Fantasy RPG is also a pretty good choice if you're on a budget since a physical copy of the core rules is only 5 bucks on Amazon, and Dungeon Crawl Classics is another good choice if you want something a bit more wild that also has some of the best adventure support of any RPG(plus Goodman Games has a really good value First Time Fan Kit that gives you everything you need to start playing for a dirt cheap price)

CitizenKeen
Nov 13, 2003

easygoing pedant
If I had to run a fantasy d20 game...
  • 13th Age if the players are supposed to be badasses who shape the world and do cool stuff
  • Worlds Without Number is the players are supposed to wander lost on a hexmap looking for loot with a real risk of death

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord

Covermeinsunshine posted:

What OSR game would you recommend for "d&d" fix? I do have Godbound(as far as osr goes) and Soulbound (as far as high fantasy goes)with are both good games, but recently I have been watching a lot of black dice society and similar actual plays, so would like to see what my options are in that corner.
Dungeon Crawl Classics, IMO. You can get a 'starter pack' with the rulebook and an absurd amount of other stuff for dirt cheap. It scratches that itch extremely well, and is pretty nicely-designed, too. It's not all level 0 gongfarmers.

Galaga Galaxian
Apr 23, 2009

What a childish tactic!
Don't you think you should put more thought into your battleplan?!


Serf posted:

Part of the reason I buy and write so many random tables is that I like that aspect of discovery. Not knowing what is coming next, even as the GM, is a lot of fun for me. I have tons of tables that I keep open depending on the game and I use them constantly. Getting really weird results and trying to quickly figure out how they work is really great, especially for lighter games where I don't have to worry about lots of stats or mechanical depth.

As a solo Ironsworn/Starforge fan, what are some of your favorite sources of random tables (doesn’t have to be for fantasy or sci-if though it is a plus)? The first one that comes to mind for me is the Tome of Adventure Design, though I’ve barely used it because, my gods, that’s a thick book.

Got a compilation of the ones you’ve written? Random tables are cool.

Farg
Nov 19, 2013

Xiahou Dun posted:

Weird random question : when do you think number of people who knew a vancian magic system eclipsed number of people who were familiar with Vance’s books? Ignoring the name “vancian” for the question, just the system.

Early 80’s?

I didn't know there was a dude named vance

EverettLO
Jul 2, 2007
I'm a lurker no more


Xiahou Dun posted:

Weird random question : when do you think number of people who knew a vancian magic system eclipsed number of people who were familiar with Vance’s books? Ignoring the name “vancian” for the question, just the system.

Early 80’s?

I never heard it called a 'Vancian' system until well after 2000. Maybe even as late as the 4e rollout. Prior to that I mainly heard of it referred to as 'fire and forget' or just the D&D magic system.

Unless you don't mean the name but just knowing of the system. Then yeah, early 1980s sounds right.

Runa
Feb 13, 2011

Look at you with your Vancey words and your big wizard hat

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben
The next time an AP author writes an open outside encounter like it's a dungeon with constrained boundaries..
The next time I hear "did you remember the song?" or "but aren't I sneaking?"..
The next time we spend so long book-keeping that someone's playing Sonic Dash..
I guess I'll.. do nothing, because there is nothing else to do.

Farg
Nov 19, 2013
remember the what now

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
Wait, PBTA is bad because some players mostly react to conflicts and a world controlled by the GM? That's the design. It's explicitly a system with clearly defined boundaries for narrative agency.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



thotsky posted:

Wait, PBTA is bad because some players mostly react to conflicts and a world controlled by the GM? That's the design. It's explicitly a system with clearly defined boundaries for narrative agency.

I have bad news. Much like Socialism, a lot of the criticism of PbtA in the world isn't coming from a standpoint of intellectual honesty.

(Not that either one of those are some kind of holy ideals beyond criticism, as with many things I love I interrogate them incessantly, but a lot of the "critiques" I've heard of PbtA are about as true as the "health insurance lets you choose your own doctor"-canard.)

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.
I read through the Avatar Legends book at a friend's behest and while it's not my one true pbta love (that's Fellowship) it's very well written and a good introduction to pbta for people who might be first time gamers. I'm pretty impressed. A couple minor quibbles, most that are a matter of taste, of course.

KingKalamari
Aug 24, 2007

Fuzzy dice, bongos in the back
My ship of love is ready to attack

Absurd Alhazred posted:

I've liked GMing, but I haven't done it in a long time. :smith:

A little late, but I want to jump in on the "I enjoy DMing" bandwagon. Lately I've actually found I generally enjoy DMing MORE than being a player. I'm also in the unusual position where most of the groups I play in have OTHER people who really like to GM in them, so I'm constantly having to fight for my place in the DM's chair.

So for everyone who's lamenting their inability to find a reliable GM I regret to inform you it's because we're all playing in the same group...

Infinitum
Jul 30, 2004


This just happened in our latest session


All it does is scream like this constantly

We enrolled it in Bard Class, and all the Death Metal kids are super interested in it.

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben

Farg posted:

remember the what now

That one guy at the table who has to remind everyone when a support ability is in play. Just had a very frustrating session realising how badly written an AP was and combined with not having slept properly and having listened to the news in March 2022 was not in a great mood. Why does high level play in so many of the tactical systems come down to a ton of extra book-keeping for a worse experience? You would think it would have been addressed by now.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
the fighter pushes over the stone at the end of the forest path. you see a 10' by 10' grove containing an orc, who is guarding a pie. there are standing stones in the centre of the north and west walls of densely-packed trees.

90s Cringe Rock
Nov 29, 2006
:gay:
that's just etrian odyssey without terrifying orbs tbh

BattleMaster
Aug 14, 2000

90s Cringe Rock posted:

that's just etrian odyssey without terrifying orbs tbh

Even in D&D, F O E!!

potatocubed
Jul 26, 2012

*rathian noises*
The itch.io Ukraine bundle is live! If you like video games and/or tabletop roleplaying games, you can get like a thousand of them with all proceeds going to charities supporting the victims of war in Ukraine. Minimum buy-in is only :10bux: but if you feel like paying more, you can.

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

potatocubed posted:

The itch.io Ukraine bundle is live! If you like video games and/or tabletop roleplaying games, you can get like a thousand of them with all proceeds going to charities supporting the victims of war in Ukraine. Minimum buy-in is only :10bux: but if you feel like paying more, you can.

Just for SUPERHOT alone it's worth the :10bux:

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


potatocubed posted:

The itch.io Ukraine bundle is live! If you like video games and/or tabletop roleplaying games, you can get like a thousand of them with all proceeds going to charities supporting the victims of war in Ukraine. Minimum buy-in is only :10bux: but if you feel like paying more, you can.

They were so excited about MINIT they listed it twice.

potatocubed
Jul 26, 2012

*rathian noises*
I think one of those is Minit and the other is Minit Racing or some sort of spin-off?

JMBosch
May 28, 2006

You're dead.
That's your greatest weapon.
There's also a second, TTRPG-specific Ukraine charity bundle that has 112 RPG releases for a minimum $5 donation: https://itch.io/b/1314/the-ttrpg-community-stands-with-ukraine-bundle

hyphz
Aug 5, 2003

Number 1 Nerd Tear Farmer 2022.

Keep it up, champ.

Also you're a skeleton warrior now. Kree.
Unlockable Ben

drrockso20 posted:

Just for SUPERHOT alone it's worth the :10bux:

You're getting SUPERHOT and Baba Is You.

Also, for anyone concerned about this (although I expect most would buy just to support the charity), there at at least 777 items here that weren't in the Racial Equality Bundle.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!
This is mostly just a post because I need to make sure that when I'm in pain, everyone is in pain.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/dungeons-dragons-dragonlance-krynn-unearthed-arcana/

Is there legitimately anyone who's deeply nostalgic for Dragonlance? Someone who desperately misses having kender in their campaigns? If there is I don't want to meet them because they must be deeply disturbed people.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

PurpleXVI posted:

This is mostly just a post because I need to make sure that when I'm in pain, everyone is in pain.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/dungeons-dragons-dragonlance-krynn-unearthed-arcana/

Is there legitimately anyone who's deeply nostalgic for Dragonlance? Someone who desperately misses having kender in their campaigns? If there is I don't want to meet them because they must be deeply disturbed people.

The original two trilogies have some nostalgic value for me and I've gone over the original modules recently and think they have potential. D&D doesn't really seem like the system for extracting it, though, and LOL those UA options are terrible. I'm really not sure who the audience is for any of these.

change my name
Aug 27, 2007

Legends die but anime is forever.

RIP The Lost Otakus.

Absurd Alhazred posted:

The original two trilogies have some nostalgic value for me and I've gone over the original modules recently and think they have potential. D&D doesn't really seem like the system for extracting it, though, and LOL those UA options are terrible. I'm really not sure who the audience is for any of these.

The moon sorcerer is cool but will probably be streamlined because it's a mess mechanically

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Pulled the trigger on the Ukraine bundle and the trans rights in texas bundles and have already lost track of which things came from which, but so far .dungeon seems legitimately really fun?

e: Let Me Take A Selfie gets mad points for creativity though as a person who takes selfies on a less than annual basis and always regrets it I can't imagine actually playing it. Aurora is another one that seems really creative and interesting.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

change my name posted:

The moon sorcerer is cool but will probably be streamlined because it's a mess mechanically

It has nothing to do with Dragonlance's moons and their relation to magic and alignment. Someone said "well, we need moons, and we need magic, let's see what we come up with".

drrockso20
May 6, 2013

Has Not Actually Done Cocaine

PurpleXVI posted:

This is mostly just a post because I need to make sure that when I'm in pain, everyone is in pain.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/news/dungeons-dragons-dragonlance-krynn-unearthed-arcana/

Is there legitimately anyone who's deeply nostalgic for Dragonlance? Someone who desperately misses having kender in their campaigns? If there is I don't want to meet them because they must be deeply disturbed people.

Well the Dragonlance novel Draconian Measures is still one of my favorite Fantasy novels, but then my list also has several Xanth novels on it so my taste is probably not worth poo poo

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Absurd Alhazred posted:

The original two trilogies have some nostalgic value for me and I've gone over the original modules recently and think they have potential.

As someone who reviewed the original modules for the F&F thread, I'm sorry but I have to tell you that you're wrong. The original modules are absolute dogshit in every way except for when you get a bear buddy and the writers forget to include him ever leaving, so the party gets a permanent bear buddy.

The only decent approach, which I was made aware of by someone in the thread, was surprisingly enough the 3.x version where they completely took off the rails and just used the info in the modules and novels to bracket in the way the war would unfold free of interference, and then freed up the players to interact with it at their own pace and in their own order, hitting the major points that seemed important to them, perhaps even completely ignoring some of the worse ones.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

PurpleXVI posted:

As someone who reviewed the original modules for the F&F thread, I'm sorry but I have to tell you that you're wrong. The original modules are absolute dogshit in every way except for when you get a bear buddy and the writers forget to include him ever leaving, so the party gets a permanent bear buddy.

The only decent approach, which I was made aware of by someone in the thread, was surprisingly enough the 3.x version where they completely took off the rails and just used the info in the modules and novels to bracket in the way the war would unfold free of interference, and then freed up the players to interact with it at their own pace and in their own order, hitting the major points that seemed important to them, perhaps even completely ignoring some of the worse ones.

Libertad is over in the 5e thread talking about that stuff, mentioned your the other Dragonlance expert by virtue of having gone through the original modules.

Absurd Alhazred
Mar 27, 2010

by Athanatos

PurpleXVI posted:

As someone who reviewed the original modules for the F&F thread, I'm sorry but I have to tell you that you're wrong. The original modules are absolute dogshit in every way except for when you get a bear buddy and the writers forget to include him ever leaving, so the party gets a permanent bear buddy.

The only decent approach, which I was made aware of by someone in the thread, was surprisingly enough the 3.x version where they completely took off the rails and just used the info in the modules and novels to bracket in the way the war would unfold free of interference, and then freed up the players to interact with it at their own pace and in their own order, hitting the major points that seemed important to them, perhaps even completely ignoring some of the worse ones.

That's how I would do it if I were to use them for actually running, but the first one was all right, didn't seem as railroady as the next ones, and had Xak Tsaroth, an awesome dungeon.

MonsterEnvy
Feb 4, 2012

Shocked I tell you

Absurd Alhazred posted:

That's how I would do it if I were to use them for actually running, but the first one was all right, didn't seem as railroady as the next ones, and had Xak Tsaroth, an awesome dungeon.

The original did have the stupidly dangerous dragon. But that could be more about how dangerous Dragons were in the early D&D.

Anyway with this UA and Dragonlance getting a new novel. I predict a new Dragonlance setting book this year.

Asterite34
May 19, 2009



PurpleXVI posted:

As someone who reviewed the original modules for the F&F thread, I'm sorry but I have to tell you that you're wrong. The original modules are absolute dogshit in every way except for when you get a bear buddy and the writers forget to include him ever leaving, so the party gets a permanent bear buddy.

The only decent approach, which I was made aware of by someone in the thread, was surprisingly enough the 3.x version where they completely took off the rails and just used the info in the modules and novels to bracket in the way the war would unfold free of interference, and then freed up the players to interact with it at their own pace and in their own order, hitting the major points that seemed important to them, perhaps even completely ignoring some of the worse ones.

I thought those DLE spinoff modules you reviewed sounded kinda alright, sorta whimsical and creative and even at times genuinely funny without getting overly twee and...Dragonlance-y, even if they were too easy.

Except DLE3, that one sounded like unbearable garbage.

PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Asterite34 posted:

I thought those DLE spinoff modules you reviewed sounded kinda alright, sorta whimsical and creative and even at times genuinely funny without getting overly twee and...Dragonlance-y, even if they were too easy.

Except DLE3, that one sounded like unbearable garbage.

What I will definitely give those modules is that it had an effect that animated people's skeletons... while still in their bodies, which was horrifying and very metal.

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


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PurpleXVI
Oct 30, 2011

Spewing insults, pissing off all your neighbors, betraying your allies, backing out of treaties and accords, and generally screwing over the global environment?
ALL PART OF MY BRILLIANT STRATEGY!

Making my prediction, 30's: Sexy Turnips.

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