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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Technically Putin still has an out - he can say they killed all the nazis and they blew up all of Ukraine’s military equipment so the mission is over and they can go home now. It won’t be believed by anyone outside of Russia but it wouldn’t be meant for anyone outside of Russia anyway. He could try that but honestly I suspect even if he totally withdrew AND all the sanctions were lifted immediately, Russia would still be utterly hosed for the foreseeable future due to knock-on effects. The big problem is that nobody outside Russia wants to do any business with Russia now for the foreseeable future because they're worse than broke, they're unreliable. Even if you go back in and re-open your stores in Russia or whatever, what happens next year when Putin does something else stupid and moronic and destructive, like trying to invade Finland or some poo poo? Nobody's gonna want to even try to re-open Nordstream 2 even if everything went back to normal tomorrow. The risk factor is too amplified now.
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https://twitter.com/5inan_/status/1500133780350197766 "Look at the wooden shields that the world's 2nd largest army made on their vehicles."
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Ikasuhito posted:https://twitter.com/5inan_/status/1500133780350197766 Is it to block heat signature from the radiators?
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steinrokkan posted:Is it to block heat signature from the radiators? I was thinking more to stop small arms in ambushes. Either way that's absolutely bizarre.
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Oryx has now updated the list of downed aircraft since *checks notes* an hour ago https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1500134424368848899?t=rxGpepI2RTaeWkEUa0L6cA&s=19 Speaking of anti-air https://twitter.com/UAWeapons/status/1500128090399379462?t=KI2Qaw8PLC5cBixWo6qvkQ&s=19 As for the Kharkiv counteroffensive... https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1500127070214668288?t=oRaHJDdL72Zx4O3SUnZhzg&s=19 ...one could say it seems to be going well
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DaysBefore posted:Yeah I don't think any helicopter pilot wants to Twilight Zone themselves with an eject button. But do helicopters have parachutes or something so they and jump out the side doors? I guess they usually fly pretty low so might not be any chance there. you're supposed to auto rotate down so you cushion your landing basically. Obv with a certain level of damage that is impossible.
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steinrokkan posted:Is it to block heat signature from the radiators? it is most likely more desperation armor. soldiers gluing all kinds of wacky bullshit to their vehicles is as old as anti-vehicle weapons. the best thing these guys have at hand is logs and rope, so thats what they're using. it is a really bad sign that the russian soldiers feel like they need to resort to this, meaning they've definitely got a negative attitude towards their survivability in supply trucks (things you generally want to avoid putting anywhere they can be shot at) and these guys also have the time to sit around and treehouse their vehicles in the middle of a war zone here's another example from ww2, just cover your tank in sandbags i guess 
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Ikasuhito posted:https://twitter.com/5inan_/status/1500133780350197766 Bless us, Father Wood.
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steinrokkan posted:Is it to block heat signature from the radiators? No , it’s to stop a single bullet to the radiator stopping an entire column
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steinrokkan posted:Is it to block heat signature from the radiators? Yes, and/or make the trucks even more unreliable because now they keep overheating and maybe spontaneously catch fire. But serious answer, it also protects the engine against small arms fire.
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:you can't really predict a flight in combat like this. i think it was just lucky that the drone was there to catch that shootdown at such a clear angle.
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Mar 5, 2022 16:53
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Wouldn’t the wooden logs placed in the front also help with like using the vehicles to push other cars/heavy machinery? I’d imagine the wood would prevent crushing damage against the frame by distributing the force around.
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In other news did you forget that the Russian propaganda corps was full of monsters? Let me fix that for you https://twitter.com/christogrozev/status/1500135273291735045?t=zG5R6tg7UFAjeZteM2ivcA&s=19
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Boris Galerkin posted:Wouldn’t the wooden logs placed in the front also help with like using the vehicles to push other cars/heavy machinery? I’d imagine the wood would prevent crushing damage against the frame by distributing the force around. generally its better to not ram other vehicles with your fuel truck, if possible this advice varies depending on the desperateness of the immediate situation
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Ikasuhito posted:https://twitter.com/5inan_/status/1500133780350197766 I'm sure your army resorting to tactics straight out of an episode of The A Team is a good sign and implies unquestioned superiority and control of the situation
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Mar 5, 2022 16:57
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If you had a team of MANPADS couldn’t you use a few simple drones to monitor when things were coming into range and get your teams pointed in the right direction?
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:generally its better to not ram other vehicles with your fuel truck, if possible I’m not talking about ramming things around. I’m talking about using it to push disabled cars out of the way so that the fuel truck, if that’s what it is) can keep on driving forward to supply.
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https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1500136674352848898 That didn't last long.
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As a complete amateur on military matters: I know that having a Tank is better than not having one, but how useful those mothballed USSR-stocks, that are shipped from the Pacific coast are? Russia seems to be having problems with their modern stuff, so bringing in armor with obsolete optics seems less than ideal, especially since they are the ones supposedly on offensive. And they all need logistics as well.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:He could try that but honestly I suspect even if he totally withdrew AND all the sanctions were lifted immediately, Russia would still be utterly hosed for the foreseeable future due to knock-on effects. Risk doesn't like Risk.
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Hiekkakauppias posted:As a complete amateur on military matters: I know that having a Tank is better than not having one, but how useful those mothballed USSR-stocks, that are shipped from the Pacific coast are? Russia seems to be having problems with their modern stuff, so bringing in armor with obsolete optics seems less than ideal, especially since they are the ones supposedly on offensive. And they all need logistics as well. They can't even fuel the ones they have on the field.
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It's not just old stuff that's on the offensive, the most recent t-90 and t-80 models have been fighting too. And frankly, Russia simply doesn't have any tanks that aren't some kind of cold war conversion, their next gen tank program has been stalled for a decade now
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Hiekkakauppias posted:As a complete amateur on military matters: I know that having a Tank is better than not having one, but how useful those mothballed USSR-stocks, that are shipped from the Pacific coast are? Russia seems to be having problems with their modern stuff, so bringing in armor with obsolete optics seems less than ideal, especially since they are the ones supposedly on offensive. And they all need logistics as well. They probably haven't been driven in 20 years.
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Hiekkakauppias posted:As a complete amateur on military matters: I know that having a Tank is better than not having one, but how useful those mothballed USSR-stocks, that are shipped from the Pacific coast are? Russia seems to be having problems with their modern stuff, so bringing in armor with obsolete optics seems less than ideal, especially since they are the ones supposedly on offensive. And they all need logistics as well. Boss man said send everything
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:ejection seats for helicopters do exist, you just have to blow the rotors off first. they're pretty rare "Rare" is really under selling it. There's the Gator and…nothing else I think. If anyone wants to see what that could look like, and can still stomach people playing war in a game, there's a video of an ejection from a helicopter that was high enough to eject: Happens at 1:30 (Arma) The helicopter in the real life clip was too low to do anything of the sort even if it was one with an ejection system. The height is extremely lethal even if you don't get shot at.
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More good news (from the state organ Global Times) but surely a coincidence, nothing to do with the fine state of the Russian army: China announced on Saturday its plan to boost the country's defense budget by 7.1 percent, to a total of 1.45 trillion yuan ($230 billion) in 2022, with analysts saying that the proposed budget growth is steady and reasonable at a time when China needs to modernize its military capabilities to safeguard national sovereignty and territorial integrity amid severe external threats and an unstable security environment.
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the popes toes posted:More good news (from the state organ Global Times) but surely a coincidence, nothing to do with the fine state of the Russian army: Isn’t that also basically last year’s inflation number?
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Der Kyhe posted:Yes, and/or make the trucks even more unreliable because now they keep overheating and maybe spontaneously catch fire. Well it might also be because of the temps causing issues with the engines. I wouldn't be surprised if the radiator systems have proper levels of anti-freeze in them so doing that might be helping the engines still run in cold weather. I know in heavy trucks and even some military vehicles people use cardboard for this very reason. Judging by the state of everything else in the Russian military this could be a very possible scenario.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:Isn’t that also basically last year’s inflation number? Probably. But also "The growth in budget is also needed because some external forces have been constantly enhancing their military deployment and stirring up trouble near China"
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:generally its better to not ram other vehicles with your fuel truck, if possible Those trucks are carrying bridge segments. I guess the pine or birch logs might be there to form a short section of corduroy road. Makes some sense if they are engineers. You are correct about ramming with the fuel truck, especially since Belarusian and Russian fuel trucks have the exhaust relocated underneath the front bumper to mitigate flash/sparks.
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:If you had a team of MANPADS couldn’t you use a few simple drones to monitor when things were coming into range and get your teams pointed in the right direction? the WSJ had a reported piece with Ukrainian special forces that said basically exactly this, they had a small team (with snipers/manpads) using handheld unarmed drones with thermal imaging to pick targets eke out fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Mar 5, 2022 |
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Ikasuhito posted:https://twitter.com/5inan_/status/1500133780350197766 Nice kindling for napalm.
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I feeling pretty confident Ukraine has already won this war, but I am not a professional military analyst, so maybe all of the talk about the Russians adapting, occupying Ukraine and fight a 20 year insurgency will still come to pass.
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Djarum posted:Well it might also be because of the temps causing issues with the engines. I wouldn't be surprised if the radiator systems have proper levels of anti-freeze in them so doing that might be helping the engines still run in cold weather. I know in heavy trucks and even some military vehicles people use cardboard for this very reason. Judging by the state of everything else in the Russian military this could be a very possible scenario. Looking at the rotting tires and leaking seals, I would be surprised if they have +5yo coolant in them or what's left of it.
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Not even that , in my short stint in my armies defense force we rigged at4s in bushes and tree's with strings so that you could hide behind a rock or in a hole and remote activate them. Combine that with some drones for spotting and that should be a fairly safe way of shooting some apc's.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:That is a lot of aircraft any way you look at it For someone like Russia with a sizeable airforce, is it really that many losses though?
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steinrokkan posted:Is it to block heat signature from the radiators? My question is, doesn't walling off your radiator with a log cabin have performance consequences? Surely enough of your trucks have failed engines.
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ZombieLenin posted:I feeling pretty confident Ukraine has already won this war, but I am not a professional military analyst, so maybe all of the talk about the Russians adapting, occupying Ukraine and fight a 20 year insurgency will still come to pass. I think there's time for Russia to adapt and still win since as of this moment they have a lot more equipment and soldiers than Ukraine does. Obviously at some point, if they do not adapt, that will no longer be the case. MRLOLAST posted:Not even that , in my short stint in my armies defense force we rigged at4s in bushes and tree's with strings so that you could hide behind a rock or in a hole and remote activate them. Combine that with some drones for spotting and that should be a fairly safe way of shooting some apc's. I guess in theory you could have the string tied to another drone that takes off when you want to fire, and then you could do this from a mile away. Saint Kyivanka posted:For someone like Russia with a sizeable airforce, is it really that many losses though? I think at this point we have to ask if all those planes are combat ready.
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Saint Kyivanka posted:For someone like Russia with a sizeable airforce, is it really that many losses though? it would be survivable in a sense if 1) there were indications they were getting meaningful wins in exchange for these losses 2) if Russia's air force was really as potent and sizeable as it's cracked up to be, they'd be fielding hundreds of planes at once, not like two, and anybody popping up to launch a manpad would get splatted by rockets from the other five helicopters in each air convoy. They aren't, so that indicates they actually can't. Which means these losses are even more significant.
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Mystic Mongol posted:My question is, doesn't walling off your radiator with a log cabin have performance consequences? Surely enough of your trucks have failed engines. 10 day weather has it between 25-45 degrees, if anything it'll help get glow plugs started quicker
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