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CommieGIR posted:Still have absolutely no reason to believe that First rule of my negotiations class was not to negotiate with someone that is there in bad faith. Putin has all the cards still and has no reason to come to the table. Chechnya wasn't that long ago that it doesn't apply here, he is more than capable of terrorizing/atrocitying his way to victory and Ukrainian subjugation. Its not like the rest of the world can do much more without direct intervention.
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Getting civilians out of those besieged cities is the #1 thing to do to save lives so even though Russia could be expected to betray the deal I think you still have to make the effort. Still sucks though.
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Mozi posted:Getting civilians out of those besieged cities is the #1 thing to do to save lives so even though Russia could be expected to betray the deal I think you still have to make the effort. Still sucks though. Yes, especially when you look at the underground maternity wards. We’ve already seen evidence of the Russians making hospice patient participate in propaganda. I don’t want to even think of the war crimes, that Russian leadership could come up with to exploit them. I mean the only thing Russia seems to be capable of doing is war crimes.
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Goddamn the footage coming out of how hosed Kherkiv is, just obliterated 
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Marshal Prolapse posted:Yes, especially when you look at the underground maternity wards. We’ve already seen evidence of the Russians making hospice patient participate in propaganda. I don’t want to even think of the war crimes, that Russian leadership could come up with to exploit them. I mean the only thing Russia seems to be capable of doing is war crimes. https://twitter.com/PaulaChertok/status/1500129586117427201?s=20&t=QuCOrUWvZUuN0VPFqo-HOw
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psydude posted:Ask them to surrender, and if they don't, then block the emergency hatch and ask again in a day or two. Play Baushaus's hit song, "Bela Lugosi's Dead", on repeat for a few hours. They'll cave. Start dropping baseballs on top of the car at random intervals while laughing like a maniac. Cook some really smelly cabbage soup at the bottom of the shaft. Form a troika to eat said soup and drink a bottle very loudly after it's done. "Guuuuuyys! Hey, fellows! We give up. Vova has to take a poo poo and Yevgeniy is starting to eat Piotr's boots!"
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:Goddamn the footage coming out of how hosed Kherkiv is, just obliterated Holy gently caress the whole city is destroyed.
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Mozi posted:https://twitter.com/PaulaChertok/status/1500129586117427201?s=20&t=QuCOrUWvZUuN0VPFqo-HOw They are monsters with no compassion and are doing Syria 2.0. I’ve seen some truly horrific photos. https://twitter.com/stratcomcentre/status/1500196030511472640?s=21 In good news 
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Mar 5, 2022 22:53
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Mozi posted:Getting civilians out of those besieged cities is the #1 thing to do to save lives so even though Russia could be expected to betray the deal I think you still have to make the effort. Still sucks though. They have negotiated in bad faith before, you expect them to negotiate in bad faith again, they have no incentive to negotiate in good faith. Doing so without the expectation the agreement will be upheld just makes you blind and stupid.. Until you have some sort of leverage or expectation, negotiations are pointless or just for show.
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Mozi posted:https://twitter.com/PaulaChertok/status/1500129586117427201?s=20&t=QuCOrUWvZUuN0VPFqo-HOw poo poo like this better be well documented and rubbed in their face when they finally break to sanctions.
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Mar 5, 2022 23:06
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https://twitter.com/fxhedgers/status/1500230682936692736?s=21 https://twitter.com/idreesali114/status/1500234355200958468?s=21 I would expect if this is true for MasterCard and the others to follow.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I would expect if this is true for MasterCard and the others to follow. Yep, MasterCard just pulled out operations in Russia. Russia's either going to turn into a megasized North Korea with nukes, or a vassal state of China. Not much really in-between right now.
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facialimpediment posted:Yep, MasterCard just pulled out operations in Russia. There's also irradiated wasteland!
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:There's also irradiated wasteland! But enough about Florida.
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Marshal Prolapse posted:https://twitter.com/fxhedgers/status/1500230682936692736?s=21 https://www.reuters.com/business/mastercard-blocks-multiple-russian-financial-institutions-network-2022-03-01/ quote:March 1 (Reuters) - U.S. payment card firms Visa Inc (V.N) and Mastercard Inc have blocked multiple Russian financial institutions from their network, complying with government sanctions imposed over Moscow's invasion of Ukraine. I mean, holy gently caress.
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Mar 5, 2022 23:49
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are those loving sandbags on the cope canopy? jesus
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MA-Horus posted:are those loving sandbags on the cope canopy? Judging by the number of burned out tank husks I've seen in that configuration, they're not working great.
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Mozi posted:Getting civilians out of those besieged cities is the #1 thing to do to save lives so even though Russia could be expected to betray the deal I think you still have to make the effort. Still sucks though. Not really. All this did was tell the Russians exactly where all the civilians were going to be so they could be more easily shot
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They just need to keep piling progressively more poo poo up there until they've got a second tank sitting up on top of the turret, then they'll be fine.
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ded posted:dont sandbags help heat rounds penetrate? No, they just don't do much. I suspect those sandbags are there because dudes have some concerns about airburst arty being unhealthy for unbuttoned TCs.
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ded posted:dont sandbags help heat rounds penetrate? Not since World War II and the earliest types of shaped-charge weaponry.
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The ultimate sign of defeat: Russia's MoD is protecting their tweets. https://twitter.com/annavellikok/status/1500193406403989508?s=20&t=trCvrb9oUgJLUmwm162W9Q
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Pre-war I remember a lot of the speculation about Ukrainian anti-tank tactics focused on them using those copper disc IEDs, but with the massive amount of modern rockets they’ve received I wonder if they’ve even needed to bother. Would assume NATO could provide better anti-tank land mines anyway.
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This nuclear stuff is a bit scary, even if it's just posturing. There's almost nothing the rest of the world can do that they aren't doing already without making things worse, but things will probably get worse anyway. And Putin might act like he's been backed into a corner and lash out at a NATO country or something and then...who knows? I just hope that either someone in the chain of command offs him, or they stop following his orders or something, that seems like maybe the best outcome.
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facialimpediment posted:Yep, MasterCard just pulled out operations in Russia. I don’t think China is actually interested in that, at the end of the day while they might want Taiwan and play great power games they very much still want to be a part of the global system which Russia, seemingly bafflingly, has shown at least at the high levels think they don’t need. I have no idea how they expect to maintain a modern economy without either the neoliberal international system or the advantages of the Soviet system, since they’re basically doing neoliberalism with autarky which I don’t think is like a thing.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:I have no idea how they expect to maintain a modern economy without either the neoliberal international system or the advantages of the Soviet system, since they’re basically doing neoliberalism with autarky which I don’t think is like a thing. At this point I just assume that the oligarchy is happy to revert to some modern form of feudalism or tsar putin to codify the lifestyles they have.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Pre-war I remember a lot of the speculation about Ukrainian anti-tank tactics focused on them using those copper disc IEDs, but with the massive amount of modern rockets they’ve received I wonder if they’ve even needed to bother. Would assume NATO could provide better anti-tank land mines anyway. You can make Explosively Formed Projectile IEDs with a block of wood and a hammer in a tin shed in the forest. That poo poo comes later when care packages from Uncle Sam and John Bull stop showing up.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:Pre-war I remember a lot of the speculation about Ukrainian anti-tank tactics focused on them using those copper disc IEDs, but with the massive amount of modern rockets they’ve received I wonder if they’ve even needed to bother. Would assume NATO could provide better anti-tank land mines anyway. Well the missiles allow them to be a lot more proactive in taking engagements I imagine.
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I ain't got nothing to say other than this is the same poo poo over again. America just watches and tut tuts as people get genocided. I would think we have plans for decapitation strikes, and enough inbred rich fucks to have high power friends there. I'm just really tired of people killing god damned children. E- we aren't exempt from that criticism. Not many are.
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The US and Europe are 100x more involved in this than I ever thought they would be. Russia's economy has been annihilated and modern arms and aid are flooding into Ukraine. There's not much else anyone can do without starting WW3, and even now we're flirting with escalation. It would be nice if we could make a backroom deal with some oligarchs and bump off Putin, but I don't think that's possible right now.
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Interesting twist on the "Visa and Mastercard shut down operations in Russia": Russian cards will still work inside the country, apparently it's just international usage (non-Russian cards in Russia and Russian cards elsewhere) that are being blocked. So it'll be a big blow for all of the tourists flocking to Russia right now, but most of the populace won't really be affected. https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1500306848599228418
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Tiny Timbs posted:The US and Europe are 100x more involved in this than I ever thought they would be. Russia's economy has been annihilated and modern arms and aid are flooding into Ukraine. I keep thinking that if Ukraine survives this they'll probably be armed to the absolute teeth for the next thousand years, and have a very capable foreign legion.
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Nuclear Tourist posted:I keep thinking that if Ukraine survives this they'll probably be armed to the absolute teeth for the next thousand years, and have a very capable foreign legion. Not if they actually join NATO. One of the conditions of joining is/was divesting themselves of Russian/Soviet hardware, but Poland's MiG-29s and Turkey's SAMs have kind of upset that.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Not if they actually join NATO. One of the conditions of joining is/was divesting themselves of Russian/Soviet hardware, but Poland's MiG-29s and Turkey's SAMs have kind of upset that. Well now, I doubt Russia will have the ability to do much about it when, hopefully, Ukraine survives.
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