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Boris Galerkin posted:Are there any unfortunate clothing companies with a prominent “Z” logo? That analyst is right in that it’s slowly gonna turn out to be Putin Russia’s Swastika symbol. Also Zara.
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Trump posted:As already said that seems highly unlikely to be an issue. The aircraft they'd give Poland wouldn't be new of the factory line, but picked from the massive stock of F-16 being replaced by F-35s, including if any other NATO country have a batch that suits their needs. The airframes they replace with doesn't need to have 30 years of life in them, just enough to work as a stopgap right now. Hm, a rube Goldberg machine of military hand-me-downs
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Does Russia have military police? Military police are part of logistics OMON is regular riot police, under ministry of interior. Military police does also exist - it’s called just that, and is under ministry of defence. Edit: Actually, OMON is under the national guard these days, after the Rosgvardiya reform. cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Mar 6, 2022 |
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Perhaps there is a comedy option. The CIA turned Putin and in exchange he had to destroy Russia
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There’s not really an American equivalent for OMON. They are closer to gendarmes, so a lot more militarized than most American cops in structure and training. They came out of the MVD. It’s kind of like a national level SWAT/military police hybrid, except it’s huge and used mostly to police civilians by beating the poo poo out of them, in addition to running “counter terror” operations. They would of course be brought in to do the crowd suppression and rounding up of undesirables in occupied Ukraine. I guess you could think of this like a National Guard military police unit, that’s probably the closest analogue although they report in to a totally different part of the security apparatus.
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Gatts posted:Perhaps there is a comedy option. The CIA turned Putin and in exchange he had to destroy Russia Considering what's currently happening in Ukraine, that's not much of a comedy.
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Trump posted:As already said that seems highly unlikely to be an issue. The aircraft they'd give Poland wouldn't be new of the factory line, but picked from the massive stock of F-16 being replaced by F-35s, including if any other NATO country have a batch that suits their needs. The airframes they replace with doesn't need to have 30 years of life in them, just enough to work as a stopgap right now. Boris Galerkin posted:Are there any unfortunate clothing companies with a prominent “Z” logo? That analyst is right in that it’s slowly gonna turn out to be Putin Russia’s Swastika symbol. My man Zorro's gonna need to seriously rebrand at least.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:There’s not really an American equivalent for OMON. They are closer to gendarmes, so a lot more militarized than most American cops in structure and training. They came out of the MVD. It’s kind of like a national level SWAT/military police hybrid, except it’s huge and used mostly to police civilians by beating the poo poo out of them, in addition to running “counter terror” operations. They would of course be brought in to do the crowd suppression and rounding up of undesirables in occupied Ukraine. SWAT comparison isn’t entirely accurate either, as SOBR performs that role.
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KitConstantine posted:The Telegram in this tweet was posted at 16:12 Moscow time NATO markings? Like a NATO sticker on the lid? Honestly I think NATO should consider not marking their IT equipment just as a general rule.
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Mokotow posted:Repainting is not the hard part; removing NATO electronics is. What NATO electronics? From the MIG-29s? Doubt there is anything installed that is so classified and specific that Ukraine couldn't just inherit it and make good use of it.
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https://www.lsm.lv/raksts/zinas/ekonomika/krievija-sak-normet-pirmas-nepieciesamibas-partikas-preces.a446621/ Our news are reporting that Russian government is enacting rationing of essential groceries like bread or rice.
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Russia seems to be almost entirely if not entirely out of plane-launched guided munitions. Unless some are being held in reserve, but why would they be? https://twitter.com/OAlexanderDK/status/1500460911676510215?t=XwaXt8zhJCRJnNof0JZE5g&s=19 Also sounds like maybe Russia has given up on attacking Odesa from the sea and is just gotta bomb it instead. https://twitter.com/ShootersykEku/status/1500463823572119552?t=fBAkOylirE7VwymjE61xHw&s=19 Edit: yeah the Russian boats seem to be keeping clear for the moment https://twitter.com/KaptainLOMA/status/1500406237409816579?t=4w_wtkrxww0SOcWlYwiN4w&s=19
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Boris Galerkin posted:Are there any unfortunate clothing companies with a prominent “Z” logo? That analyst is right in that it’s slowly gonna turn out to be Putin Russia’s Swastika symbol. Everything going pretty much as predicted in the 2013 documentary _World War Z_.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Are there any unfortunate clothing companies with a prominent “Z” logo? That analyst is right in that it’s slowly gonna turn out to be Putin Russia’s Swastika symbol. Z is just one of the letters they have painted, it's the one that is in the most heavy fighting right now so we are seeing it the most but if this is a longer more protracted war it'll probably be tanks with various letters that are parts of the various horrors.
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KitConstantine posted:Edit: yeah the Russian boats seem to be keeping clear for the moment Do the variety of anti tank weapons work on ships, I'm assuming they do I can't ever see how that would work well.
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https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1500384095129542656 In case it's deleted: US and European governments have been discussing how to secure the line of succession in Ukraine in the event Zelensky is captured or killed by Russian forces. The constitution isn’t very clear and all possible successors are in Kyiv. — NYT Boy it does not seem ideal that they didn't send any of the top dogs to Poland or at least to Lviv as a contingency plan. Hopefully this report is wrong.
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Boris Galerkin posted:Rail stations are above ground and like not guarded at all. You're right, I was thinking of those. Apologies.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:They've been doing it since the beginning. Theory is either the plan included suppression of protests or they don't have enough soldiers so they're backfilling their numbers with cops or both. From the interviews I saw yesterday with the Russian police captured outside Kiev, this is what I’ve gleaned: 1. The police had been training for a quick occupation and were to go in right after the army; 2. Their role was to suppress the riots/protests in Kiev, and probably Kharkov after a quick occupation; 3. They were told they’d be rescuing the Ukrainians from the yoke of neo-Nazi control and were going to be welcomed by most Ukrainians; 4. On the day of the invasion they were just told to “go,” and given no other orders; sooo… 5. They drove straight into Kiev, got shot up and captured. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD_4Y2TQotA
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KitConstantine posted:The top tweet in this quote about Russians firing on civilians in Irpin? There's video from an expat in Kyiv. Along with the attacks on the civilian corridor in Irpin Russians are attacking the promised civilian corridor out of Mariupol again today https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1500459962497175555?t=xefPcEz7fLj-pEYU97dwZg&s=19
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for the video which shows a Ukr soldier getting hit with a mortar while trying to lead civilians out, and then the aftermath of the strike. Including injured dog noises 
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Z is just one of the letters they have painted, it's the one that is in the most heavy fighting right now so we are seeing it the most but if this is a longer more protracted war it'll probably be tanks with various letters that are parts of the various horrors. Nah, Z is catching on as a symbol for the venture inside Russia itself. Starting from taped Zs on random cars and going up to unhinged stuff like this: https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1500231126606098434?t=snsXeVIi5Lo89RqkjesDXw&s=19
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quick translation of an interview of the chief of staff of the french army https://www.lemonde.fr/internationa...16336_3210.html The Ukrainian conflict "was part of the options as early as summer 2021 when I came into office" says general Burkhard. "Intelligence was saying the Russians were waiting for favorable weather conditions, they were waiting for it to be cold", before attacking Ukraine. "So the attack came as no surprise", he says. "Precise information was shared by allies on the previous evening" according to him. As soon as the first bombardments happened during the night of February 23rd, "we activated the planned procedures. Every position that needed to be reinforced within the army was reinforced." There were differences in intelligence analysis between French and anglo-saxon countries, admits general Burkhard. "The Americans were saying the Russians were about to attack, they were right. Our services thought a conquest of Ukraine would have a monumental cost and that the Russians had other options" to bring down Zelenskyy's regime. A mistrust of American intelligence due to the 2003 war in Irak.
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Trump posted:What NATO electronics? From the MIG-29s? Doubt there is anything installed that is so classified and specific that Ukraine couldn't just inherit it and make good use of it. Data uplinks and IFF systems.
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KitConstantine posted:Also sounds like maybe Russia has given up on attacking Odesa from the sea and is just gotta bomb it instead. Jesus, just gently caress off Russia. Declare victory and leave. If they are escalating to the "Can't take a city so level it" phase because they refuse to admit defeat then they are going to murder tens of thousands more people on top of the war crimes they have already committed due to their own incompetence in a pointless invasion that's already destabilized the entire global economy and geopolitical situation for literally no reason. I'm curious how tensions between other countries like India and Pakistan are going to evolve because Russia blew up the commodities market. How are those food and energy prices going to affect things?
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KitConstantine posted:Looks like they're gonna try and pivot back to blaming NATO some more They found Hunter's laptop! 
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KitConstantine posted:Looks like they're gonna try and pivot back to blaming NATO some more And who found the laptop? You guessed it!  It was RUDY!
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Trump posted:What NATO electronics? From the MIG-29s? Doubt there is anything installed that is so classified and specific that Ukraine couldn't just inherit it and make good use of it. My understanding is that aircraft in all NATO countries have equipment installed so that they can electronically communicate with each other, meaning easy integration of different NATO air forces when operating together. I assume this would include integration with NATO command centres, air defence, etc. They would have to remove all that before giving anything to Ukraine.
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This is a very good discussion hosted by West Point professors and other academics. Too many interesting things to list, but a few things jumped out at me. 1) The Russian economy is hosed, and his 'war chest' to survive the sanctions isn't likely to be effective. 2) The 40 mile long convoy wasn't actually a 40 mile long convoy. It was first reported 40 miles from Kiev and the media misreported it. 3) China is likely very pissed off about this because it puts them in a bad situation, they are going to have lukewarm support for Russia if at all. 4) Being that Russia is the worlds #1 exporter of wheat, and Ukraine is #5, expect food prices to go up a lot in the next year. This is going to have a lot of knockdown effects on developing nations. 5) Even if Putin is killed off, he's going to be replaced by someone from his inner circle who will just be like him. Russia is hosed for the next 50+ years with terrible leaders. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXEvbVoDiU0
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Rectal Death Adept posted:Jesus, just gently caress off Russia. Declare victory and leave. If NATO issued a guarantee against ever extending membership to Ukraine would that be enough of a fig leaf for him to spin his "special operation" as a victory domestically? To put it differently, is the west in any position to give him a viable off-ramp? Or is anything short of installing a new friendly government recognizing Donetsk and Luhansk and the annexation of the Crimea a complete non-starter?
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surf rock posted:https://twitter.com/ragipsoylu/status/1500384095129542656 So the line of succession is that the speaker becomes acting president. Which is something of a problem since acting president has limitations on their power.
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PerilPastry posted:If NATO issued a guarantee against ever extending membership to Ukraine would that be enough of a fig leaf for him to spin his "special operation" as a victory domestically? To put it differently, is the west in any position to give him a viable off-ramp? Or is anything short of installing a new friendly government recognizing Donetsk and Luhansk and the annexation of the Crimea a complete non-starter? Russia's not going to take NATO at its word and it's certainly not going to trust Ukraine's current Government to try remain neutral after this. Regime Change is about the lowest they're going to be willing to take if they don't end up collapsing.
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PerilPastry posted:If NATO issued a guarantee against ever extending membership to Ukraine would that be enough of a fig leaf for him to spin his "special operation" as a victory domestically? To put it differently, is the west in any position to give him a viable off-ramp? Or is anything short of installing a new friendly government recognizing Donetsk and Luhansk and the annexation of the Crimea a complete non-starter? That won't ever happen.
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Remember how Russia keeps accusing Ukrainians of keeping their attack positions in civilian areas so that the Russians just have to fire on villages? Would it shock you to learn that this seems to be projection on Russia's part???  for Russian MLRS artillery firing from right next to a Ukrainian villagehttps://twitter.com/BackAndAlive/status/1500447665024348168?t=PVFcdQJymH8bvNKTfcgyHA&s=19
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Cimber posted:5) Even if Putin is killed off, he's going to be replaced by someone from his inner circle who will just be like him. Russia is hosed for the next 50+ years with terrible leaders. I don't agree with takes like this. I fully agree that the chance of an overthrow is pretty unlikely in any given year, but 50 years is a lot of rolls of that dice and at some point something we can't predict today is going to happen. For reference 50 years brings you from Nazi Germany through East/West Germany and into today's unified EU/NATO Germany. I'm sure plenty of people had predictions for Germany's future as the Soviets entered Berlin and I'm sure almost all of them were wrong.
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https://twitter.com/mfa_russia/status/1500182315112321028 Strong letter to follow, maybe?
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:
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brugroffil posted:Police battalions to secure rear areas is normal military stuff What about police battalions to secure active warzones getting wiped out behind enemy lines?
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