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hobbesmaster posted:Oh, right, they were wondering if going to New Zealand would buy them an extra couple of months of life. it’s the little things about that book that hits the feels
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hobbesmaster posted:That’s the book “On the beach” but it’s New Zealand. It makes Threads look optimistic. The main thing I remember about that book is their visit to Edmonds, WA where someone jumps ship. Very odd to see a town I visit frequently to see family mentioned. It has a nice movie theater.
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Russia trying another run at "humanitarian corridors" today. https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1500705250658988040?s=20
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Man he's really trying to get NATO to do something.... While also getting what he wants. And giving the appearance he is losing.
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Wasabi the J posted:Man he's really trying to get NATO to do something.... Do you think Putin is conducting this war well?
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Wasabi the J posted:Man he's really trying to get NATO to do something.... Putin or Macron?
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Lake of Methane posted:Russia trying another run at "humanitarian corridors" today. That tweet leaves out the most important part: they're only opening up humanitarian corridors to Russia and Belarus.
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Mar 7, 2022 08:12
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Putin literally said he'd show the west genocide.
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Wasabi the J posted:Putin literally said he'd show the west genocide. He didn't say poo poo like this over the past 20 years of him consolidating power because it's not the kind of statement a head of state makes when they are doing well. The idea that everything that is going on is playing into his hand seems farcical, at best.
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I meant just that I think his forces are going to maximize civilian casualties, AND I don't trust Nazis.
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I don't think anyone will ever know what Putin was actually hoping to get out of this, but I think we can all agree that this is definitely not it.
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Wasabi the J posted:Putin literally said he'd show the west genocide. What, source?
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Wasabi the J posted:I meant just that I think his forces are going to maximize civilian casualties, AND I don't trust Nazis. I mean yeah, that's a real possibility - one that is backstopped by the failure of Putin to exert complete command and control over his forces up onto this point. There are reports that suggest that desertion has been a somewhat regular occurrence during this conflict - a situation that I would imagine would be exacerbated if Putin was to command his military to start committing warcrimes as a matter of course. But yeah it's a bad situation that has a lot of potential to get much worse.
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psydude posted:That tweet leaves out the most important part: they're only opening up humanitarian corridors to Russia and Belarus. WW3 sounds OK at this point, heh.
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Wibla posted:WW3 sounds OK at this point, heh. If poo poo goes sidways I'm gonna find you and eat all your food and drink all your water
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A Russian refugee camp is still better than being in an active warzone. It makes sense to open corridors to those areas instead of trying to coordinate convoys across the entire country and hoping a few buses full of civilians don't get blown up.
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Wibla posted:WW3 sounds OK at this point, heh. Finally, I will get to live out my dreams and be known as the Wolf King, and have a chariot drawn by a team of White Wolves! 
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Dick Ripple posted:A Russian refugee camp is still better than being in an active warzone. It makes sense to open corridors to those areas instead of trying to coordinate convoys across the entire country and hoping a few buses full of civilians don't get blown up. I don't think it does make sense to trust the Russians, and I bet the Ukranian government won't either.
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The Russians want people out of the cities, or at least it viewed as they left so anyone remaining is considered hostile.
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Dick Ripple posted:The Russians want people out of the cities, or at least it viewed as they left so anyone remaining is considered hostile. No they don't. Civilian casualties are a feature of their strategy, not a bug, otherwise they wouldn't be intentionally shelling evacuation points. They're struggling to beat the Ukrainians at a tactical level, so they're resorting to terror bombing to force the government to capitulate. This is the same playbook they used in Chechnya and Syria. I wouldn't put it beyond them to try some pretty diabolical poo poo with their PoW camps, especially now that they've banned most Western media outlets.
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This is from BBC's live reporting feed, and it's a huge pain in the rear end to link to a specific post in it. Hopefully the link inside the quote works, but I've quoted the entire article just in case."BBC quoting the Red Cross posted:Dominik Stillhart, director of operations for the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC), has been speaking with BBC Radio 4's Today programme. I know the "humanitarian corridors" were a bunch of bullshit, but this is a new loving low.
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If all the stuff about Russian communications on the ground being nearly nonexistent how do they inform troops about a ceasefire?
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hobbesmaster posted:If all the stuff about Russian communications on the ground being nearly nonexistent how do they inform troops about a ceasefire? At any point during this affair have you felt that the Russian infantry have been informed of anything?
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Nope. Is incompetence an affirmative defense for war crimes?
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so it wasn't malice, it was just russian central command not being able to relay the message to their infantry's phones and chinese baby monitors
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psydude posted:I don't think anyone will ever know what Putin was actually hoping to get out of this, but I think we can all agree that this is definitely not it. I don't know, the "Putin is playing 4D chess" narrative is still alive and well on social media. Just you wait until his real forces get involved!
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Finally, I will get to live out my dreams and be known as the Wolf King, and have a chariot drawn by a team of White Wolves! If you haven't already gotten around to properly calibrating your Geiger counter, there's still time...
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:I don't know, the "Putin is playing 4D chess" narrative is still alive and well on social media. Just you wait until his real forces get involved!
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Bulky Bartokomous posted:I don't know, the "Putin is playing 4D chess" narrative is still alive and well on social media. Just you wait until his real forces get involved! Putin: "RELEASE THE T-14 ARMATA" "but sir- Putin: *kills dude, turns to next guy* "Congratulations on your new promotion" T-14 Armata: *Rolls out. sinks into Ukrainian rasputitsa*
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https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-russian-military-action-will-stop-moment-if-ukraine-meets-2022-03-07/ Russia is offering terms that were kinda in the realm of possibility a few weeks ago so while I doubt it’ll end soon the fact they may actually want to negotiate is a pretty big change.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-russian-military-action-will-stop-moment-if-ukraine-meets-2022-03-07/ They're defining neutrality as unilateral disarmament, which will obviously be a non-starter.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:https://www.reuters.com/world/kremlin-says-russian-military-action-will-stop-moment-if-ukraine-meets-2022-03-07/ They're not offering terms. They're demanding complete surrender which was identical to what they demanded before invading.
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Russia's demands from the start were to cede large chunks of Ukraine to Russia, stand down the military, submit to Russian dominion over domestic affairs, and promise to never do anything that might change said dominion. It was a non-starter then and is still now. Complete capitulation and surrender to hostile invaders when said aggressors have a storied history of bad faith action would be a bad idea.
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Obviously they’re unreasonable but that’s a huge walk back from demanding regime change.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Obviously they’re unreasonable but that’s a huge walk back from demanding regime change. How is "Zelensky can stay as president in name but we will have a russian picked prime minister running things" not regime change?
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Mr. Nice! posted:How is "Zelensky can stay as president in name but we will have a russian picked prime minister running things" not regime change? Christ I’m just saying they’re already walking back demands and no longer demanding complete surrender and everyone’s first grandchild to start the negotiation. It’s an interesting development that they may actually start to acknowledge they cannot win. Are we going to keep getting mad if we don’t explicitly say “Russia bad” at least five times every post.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Christ I’m just saying they’re already walking back demands and no longer demanding complete surrender and everyone’s first grandchild to start the negotiation. It’s an interesting development that they may actually start to acknowledge they cannot win. They haven't changed their position at all, is what I'm saying. They're offering nothing new. It's not about saying Russia bad - its about calling out obvious bad faith as obvious bad faith. I'm not saying you are acting in bad faith, but Russia certainly is as demonstrated by all of their actions thus far.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Russia is offering terms that were kinda in the realm of possibility a few weeks ago so while I doubt it’ll end soon the fact they may actually want to negotiate is a pretty big change.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Christ I’m just saying they’re already walking back demands and no longer demanding complete surrender and everyone’s first grandchild to start the negotiation. It’s an interesting development that they may actually start to acknowledge they cannot win. How are they walking back demands? The demands are the same? Even better: The avenues for refugees to escape? They will ONLY let them escape to Belarus or Russia. This is not a negotiation.
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