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BigglesSWE posted:Hypocrisy is useless to point out. The pertinent question is: will Putin want to draw blood against NATO while his army is three-stooges themselves through the Pripyat marshes (or any other circumstance, really)? He's probably getting updates from scared yes-men telling him that everything is going well and the Russian army is kicking rear end.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:When you’re logistics and manpowers struggling with a war the solution is to extend it further I don't entirely understand the thought-process behind this threat. You've lost at least nearly 900 vehicles, you are being humiliated by multiple videos of farmers towing your expensive military equipment with tractors, and your infantry is being destroyed at nearly every corner. So you're going to....... threaten an extremely well-armed defensive alliance? And this is supposed to be something that makes NATO say "Well, crud. I guess we shouldn't supply weapons then!"? I'm so baffled as to if they're true believers like Putin, or they're towing the line because they know the alternative is far worse.
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KitConstantine posted:Likely this is just more tough talk, but now Russia is apparently going to consider supplying arms to Ukraine via Poland to 'risk drawing NATO into the conflict.'
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Seth Pecksniff posted:I don't entirely understand the thought-process behind this threat. e: Also their nuclear threat is looking a lot like the only thing they have left
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Rad Russian posted:He's probably getting updates from scared yes-men telling him that everything is going well and the Russian army is kicking rear end. Even so, NATO is a hella spicy chilli to swallow, even at the best of times. You know, what with the monstrously huge US armed forces, not to mention the nuclear arsenal. What I’m saying is, Putin isn’t that flavour of crazy.
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mlmp08 posted:Nowhere in this video does anyone say NATO is providing real time aircraft info to Ukraine. That may be happening, but they do not report that in this report, and none of the crew say that. True, but it’s been reported elsewhere.
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Was it discussed itt that Russia is backstabbing Iran in the nuclear agreement negotiations, as Russia wants western sanctions on Russia to be removed? Some believe that the actual reason is to prevent Iran from increasing its oil production and bringing oil prices down, which would hit Russian economy even worse than the sanctions so far. https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/irans-shamkhani-says-tehran-is-evaluating-new-components-nuclear-talks-tweet-2022-03-07/ quote:VIENNA, March 7 (Reuters) - Iran said on Monday it would not be dictated to by foreign interests, while Russia stuck to its position of linking the revival of a 2015 nuclear deal to Western sanctions over Ukraine by saying the pact cannot discriminate between participants.
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KitConstantine posted:Here's how Russian academics are excusing this thing during interviews with western outlets. Watch for the face crack at 1:40ish, though he tries to recover Nice meltdown, for a piece of poo poo.
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Nenonen posted:Was it discussed itt that Russia is backstabbing Iran in the nuclear agreement negotiations, as Russia wants western sanctions on Russia to be removed? Some believe that the actual reason is to prevent Iran from increasing its oil production and bringing oil prices down, which would hit Russian economy even worse than the sanctions so far. Could you possibly do a deal with a P4+1 if Iran accepts it? I'm not at all an expert on JCPOA procedures but if the rest of the countries are ok with it and Russia's not, it seems to be a bit of a reversal of fortune in some respects. If Iran gets its oil back on the markets, it would count as a clear win for them and the rest of the countries who would be getting a lot of oil.
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Shes Not Impressed posted:US Assessment update: They committed 100% of the combat troops to Ukraine, but now it's already less than 100%...  
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Real talk: what exact benefit can Russia even offer now to its client states? Can't offer economic or commerce incentives like China Can't offer better or even on par military equipment/ Tech like NATO "If you don't agree to do what we want 20 poorly trained conscripts will Clowncar pile into a flat tire APC and invade you?" Like Russia's soft power is just gone.
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TulliusCicero posted:Real talk: what exact benefit can Russia even offer now to its client states? Every single Russian client state is a dictatorship propped up by Russian subsidies and arms. You're a Russian client not because it's attractive, but because you're going to jail at best if you step down.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Could you possibly do a deal with a P4+1 if Iran accepts it? I'm not at all an expert on JCPOA procedures but if the rest of the countries are ok with it and Russia's not, it seems to be a bit of a reversal of fortune in some respects. If Iran gets its oil back on the markets, it would count as a clear win for them and the rest of the countries who would be getting a lot of oil. That's is 100% what is going to happen. It's an ad-hoc grouping anyway and I don't think the others give a poo poo about dropping Russia from the agreement if they have the excuse.
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TulliusCicero posted:Real talk: what exact benefit can Russia even offer now to its client states? Again, its absolutely astounding how bad this is going for Russia.
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Nenonen posted:Was it discussed itt that Russia is backstabbing Iran in the nuclear agreement negotiations, as Russia wants western sanctions on Russia to be removed? Some believe that the actual reason is to prevent Iran from increasing its oil production and bringing oil prices down, which would hit Russian economy even worse than the sanctions so far. Nope, I forgot to post that when I was catching up with news. Speaking of 5D geopolitics chess - US should waive oil sanctions on Iran, as a show of goodwill towards the nuclear deal of course.
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A lighter news update: The story about knocking down a drone in Kyiv with a jar of pickled cucumbers was just more perfidious Ukrainian misinformation  It was a jar of pickled tomatoes Thread and article are pro-clicks, this lady even gets a jab in at her ex husband for ignoring a drone when he saw one https://twitter.com/kgorchinskaya/status/1500840773822169090?s=20&t=nq_HamGhfc--WF53xVLDJg
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Torrannor posted:I've read that too, and thought it pretty interesting. But on the other hand, Iran was never as integrated into the Western economic order as Russia is/was until now. The sanctions will hit regular people for sure, and some of them will make the conclusion that the war was a mistake, but I'm not sure if that's a very large part. Many will rather think "Those western counties sure are assholes for sanctioning us this way, using the special operation as a pretext - as if denazifying Ukraine was a bad thing! We will just have to soldier on." Again, it comes down to how well the people in power stay in line. Putin has little worry that elections or, I think, even unrest would soon be a threat to his power. In autocratic regimes this threat only comes from power structures of the regime itself. Do the people who could have any actual leverage on him think that this war is a terrible idea, and the sanctions ruinous, or do they think Russia must assert itself this way, no matter the cost? Who the hell knows.
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TulliusCicero posted:Real talk: what exact benefit can Russia even offer now to its client states? Also I do not think many states could put a fight up like Ukraine did, they have legitimately had luck break their way in at least one major way (keeping the Kyiv airport).
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Seth Pecksniff posted:Could you possibly do a deal with a P4+1 if Iran accepts it? I'm not at all an expert on JCPOA procedures but if the rest of the countries are ok with it and Russia's not, it seems to be a bit of a reversal of fortune in some respects. If Iran gets its oil back on the markets, it would count as a clear win for them and the rest of the countries who would be getting a lot of oil. I feel there's the risk here of USA electing another Trump type in a few years and reversing its policy AGAIN, so it would be beneficial for them to have an ally in the deal to back them up. Unfortunately they only have one lovely ally to appeal to.
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Barrel Cactaur posted:
More like Tsars Covid e: poo poo I'm behind His Divine Shadow fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Mar 7, 2022 |
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Technically it would be SARS COVID III. The current model is SARS COVID II.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I haven't seen this posted yet, but some Russian mothers confronted a governor from Siberia over their sons being used as "cannon fodder". poo poo like this makes me understand why Russians literature is often bleak as gently caress. there will always be some table of old or fat men who will bare faced lie to the people and sacrifice their sons in some fool hard risk that implodes. yeah thats universal BUT its insanely blatant in these cases. God is high and the czar is far away.
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Rad Russian posted:He's probably getting updates from scared yes-men telling him that everything is going well and the Russian army is kicking rear end. Yes, this is terrible and almost comical reality of despotic rule. 'Middle management' need to translate reality into reports that will not get them executed or tempt the leader into doing something stupid - but they also need to translate orders going the chain into something that actually works in reality and results in something than can translated back into what the despot wants to happen. Russian middle management clearly failed at both. They managed to deliver reports to Putin that tempted him into making a dumb invasion - good middle managers would have steered him away from ever embarking on that plan. But when it did happen they also failed at replacing the plan with something better. Ideally, they'd have found some irrelevant detail for the despot to micromanage to keep him happy and off their backs. Power hierarchies cannot function without middle management doing these things at multiple levels. Crap, I've spent too much time in the corporate world.
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PederP posted:Yes, this is terrible and almost comical reality of despotic rule. 'Middle management' need to translate reality into reports that will not get them executed or tempt the leader into doing something stupid - but they also need to translate orders going the chain into something that actually works in reality and results in something than can translated back into what the despot wants to happen. Russian middle management clearly failed at both. They managed to deliver reports to Putin that tempted him into making a dumb invasion - good middle managers would have steered him away from ever embarking on that plan. But when it did happen they also failed at replacing the plan with something better. Ideally, they'd have found some irrelevant detail for the despot to micromanage to keep him happy and off their backs. Power hierarchies cannot function without middle management doing these things at multiple levels. The next step is clearly to get McKinsey run the invasion into Ukraine. Maybe setup an M&A process for Kazakhstan.
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KitConstantine posted:A lighter news update: I dunno, I’m waiting for the people at https://waronfakes.com to fact check this claim first before believing it.
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cinci zoo sniper posted:There’s a comedy website for watching Russian rouble exchange rate, which I joke that I worry about the stability of. https://zenrus.ru/ Which is now taking donations for cat food.
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Alchenar posted:Perhaps we should assume that when Russia says 'neutrality' it means what it has always meant in the past by 'neutrality', which is to say 'you are a Russia client state and you can have a bit of autonomy as long as you never ever look West'. The grand duchy of
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cinci zoo sniper posted:The next step is clearly to get McKinsey run the invasion into Ukraine. Maybe setup an M&A process for Kazakhstan. It would have to be McKinsey, the other consultant firms are pulling out https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1500873502630551562?s=20&t=SXKc3Oby85zW4c-kN_nv4w
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KitConstantine posted:It would have to be McKinsey, the other consultant firms are pulling out More conscripts for the PowerPoint mines.
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I want everyone to appreciate the insanity of Deloitte doing something good - even accidentally.
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KitConstantine posted:It would have to be McKinsey, the other consultant firms are pulling out because of how these firms operate it basically means the firms in russia are gonna change their logo and name, and that's it
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Mr. Apollo posted:I haven't seen this posted yet, but some Russian mothers confronted a governor from Siberia over their sons being used as "cannon fodder". The callous response to "where is your son" from that fat gently caress is some serious "to the guillotines, no trial" energy christ. This and the OMOH guys' testimony is incredibly damning. Is there any chance in hell that this lasts much longer or Putin calls up more reservists? I have older teen inlaws and one that just barely finished conscription. Just war or no I don't want them dead in a stupid truck ambush  I mean, surely no, but this unmitigated debacle makes me doubt the governments literal sanity. In these conditions you'd see super low drag high speed baddest-of-the bad types still having some humiliating slaughters at Ukraine's hands.
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Seth Pecksniff posted:I don't entirely understand the thought-process behind this threat. In the past this has been enough to get the more tepid members of NATO to get the rest of NATO to acquiesce or drive internal division. Like Germany has reliably made the rest of Europe look the other way when required as long as gas flows.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:More conscripts for the PowerPoint mines. Directionally Correct Disruption of the Ukraine: Don’t Boil the Ocean, Leverage MECE for Quick Wins
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freeasinbeer posted:In the past this has been enough to get the more tepid members of NATO to get the rest of NATO to acquiesce or drive internal division. Like Germany has reliably made the rest of Europe look the other way when required as long as gas flows.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:More conscripts for the PowerPoint mines. The conscripts of the Russian Fourth PowerPoint Division can't hold a candle to the awesome PowerPoint might of the United States Armed Forces: 
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Quorum posted:The conscripts of the Russian Fourth PowerPoint Division can't hold a candle to the awesome PowerPoint might of the United States Armed Forces: loving hell, it is only missing “Battlescape” as an arched WordArt piece separating the 3 buzzword clusters.
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evilweasel posted:because of how these firms operate it basically means the firms in russia are gonna change their logo and name, and that's it Is this actually true though? I had assumed that they were doing what all the other companies were doing and bailing because the Ruble is going into a tailspin.
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Grouchio posted:OH! So that's why they made the threat they hoped Poland would stop giving arms to save it's own skin and sow discord in NATO's approach. The general trend of relationship with Russia in Poland is a blinding hatred of a thousand sun's, so the specific country might not work exactly.
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CuddleCryptid posted:Is this actually true though? I had assumed that they were doing what all the other companies were doing and bailing because the Ruble is going into a tailspin. Big 4 firms internationally are not even franchises, it’s like a mutual agreement that they may use the name. It’s perfectly normal, e.g., for KPMG Poland to gently caress over KPMG Germany in a deal they share. KPMG Russia has nowhere to run (excluding senior management), they’re a Russian company made in Russia.
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