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The Greens will have a leadership vote again soon, and last time an ecosocialist finished second. Worth it to join and vote
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Another Bill posted:The NDP used to have 1/3 of their convention delegates reserved for labour unions but they turfed that out of the party constitution back when Tony Blair and the Third Way were hot poo poo and since then you see unions endorse the Liberals over the NDP sometimes. I thought it was Rae who blew up union support for the NDP, at least in Ontario? The NDP itself doesn't really give a rat's rear end about labour anymore. I don't think Jagmeet brought up labours law or unions at all last election. Also hot take but I think that having a union movement that is mostly white collar public workers is a sign of real sickness. Its private sector unions that have leverage over Capital and what makes them quiver.
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Mar 7, 2022 05:25
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Duck Rodgers posted:The Greens will have a leadership vote again soon, and last time an ecosocialist finished second. Worth it to join and vote Lascaris? Wasn't he supposed to be starting a new party?
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Karach posted:Lascaris? Wasn't he supposed to be starting a new party? i assume they’re talking haddad
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Mar 7, 2022 13:10
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Lascaris did finish second, but the broader point is that the green party has the potential to be an ecosocialist party. We'll have to wait and see who runs in the next leadership election but there's clearly a group of ecosocialist amongst the Tesla Tories and crystal healing people
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this is probably giving the party more credit than it deserves but i think it’s as you imply comprised of two broadish groups. the so-called tesla tories, and those who vote green because it’s frankly the only party even remotely pretending to cater to eco-minded folks, even if they haven’t done a great job of it imo though the canadian green party is going to be hypocritical if they aren’t willing to embrace everything up to and including nuclear
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my vote doesn't matter at all. Candice Bergen has Portage-LIsgar tied up. maybe if the PPC runs somebody other than a literal child like last election, they might have a shot, but who knows And in other news, the new Canadaland ep dropped: quote:https://www.canadaland.com/how-ukrainians-overcame-russian-disinformation/ I wonder if Canadaland having a Winnipeg-born Ukrainian-Canadian senior producer has any impact on this coverage. quote:Featured in this episode: Alya Shandra, editor-in-chief of Euromaidan Press, Douglas Selvage, a senior research fellow at the Institute for History, Humboldt University (Berlin); Aaron Erlich, assistant professor at McGill University. Euromaidan is straight-up Ukrainian nationalist propaganda. No idea about these other guys. EDIT: lol, had a look at Erlich's CV. a few publications with titles like: Does Analytic Thinking Insulate Against Pro-Kremlin Disinformation? Evidence from Ukraine; Registered Report: How Language Shapes Belief in Misinformation: A Study Among Multilingual Speakers in Ukraine; Is pro-Kremlin Disinformation Effective? Evidence from Ukraine At least one of these papers was funded by the National Democratic Institute. Check out that NDI board for a fun who's-who. Karach has issued a correction as of 15:30 on Mar 7, 2022 |
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Mar 7, 2022 15:16
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Green is the nuclear colour, why not go for it
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Mar 7, 2022 15:20
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I disagree that an environmental party needs to be pro nuclear. The most important thing for an environmental party is a plan for an absolute reduction in energy and resource use. Only a non-capitalist party (and society) could achieve that. Source switching without a reduction plan is just deck chairs on the titanic.
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Karach posted:my vote doesn't matter at all. Candice Bergen has Portage-LIsgar tied up. maybe if the PPC runs somebody other than a literal child like last election, they might have a shot, but who knows so they're interviewing someone from bellingcat and a bunch of propagandists, i guess that's one way to gain insight into the workings of propaganda
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Mar 7, 2022 15:40
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Use nuclear plants to power the solar plants
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Duck Rodgers posted:I disagree that an environmental party needs to be pro nuclear. The most important thing for an environmental party is a plan for an absolute reduction in energy and resource use. Only a non-capitalist party (and society) could achieve that. Source switching without a reduction plan is just deck chairs on the titanic. no it isn't
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Duck Rodgers posted:I disagree that an environmental party needs to be pro nuclear. The most important thing for an environmental party is a plan for an absolute reduction in energy and resource use. Only a non-capitalist party (and society) could achieve that. Source switching without a reduction plan is just deck chairs on the titanic. Nuclear doesn't require reduction in energy needs to reduce emissions to near zero. It's kind of the whole reason it's the best way forward. Wanting to reduce our energy use is useless knowing we will never be able to. If never getting elected to enact their purity platform is the goal, they will continue to succeed.
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would love to see the zero-carbon energy reduction strategies that still switch canadians over to electrical heating from the greater than fifty percent that still use natural gas to heat their homes
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infernal machines posted:so they're interviewing someone from bellingcat and a bunch of propagandists, i guess that's one way to gain insight into the workings of propaganda I started the ep while making some coffee, will have to listen to the rest later. First few minutes are not promising. Jesse begins by telling us that he was busy excitedly retweeting lasercat propaganda last week, before somebody told him that this was dumb and made up. so now he's thrown up his hands and said "well, there's no way to tell what's real in this conflict. anyway, here's our producer Sarah Lawrynuik to give us a one-sided potted history of post-2014 Ukraine and feed softball questions to a bunch of Ukrainian shills."
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jsoh posted:no it isn't I don't believe it's possible to absolutely decouple resource use/energy use etc from (capitalist) economic production. Source switching can lead to a relative decoupling which could buy time to deal with environmental crises in a more fundamental way, but only if the increase in economic production/activity doesn't swamp the gains from relative decoupling. For instance, energy efficiency and end use fuel switching will lead to a reduction in the demand for petroleum transport fuels. It isn't currently because the number of vehicles and amount of travel is outpacing efficiency gains, but eventually it will, maybe. In an ideal world this would lead to reduced use of petroleum. But petroleum companies are already pivoting toward production for petrochemical uses, primarily for plastics and fertilizer. These resource and energy intensive industries that contribute to climate change. And there are multiple inter-related environmental crises that we are currently facing that these industries contribute to, including waste, non-ghg pollution, water use etc. Anti-capitalism is more important than pro nuclear for an environmental party.
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Duck Rodgers posted:Anti-capitalism is more important than pro nuclear for an environmental party. You're not incorrect but nuclear as an energy source absolutely requires government ownership and regulation, so establishing it also takes away one lever of power and gives it to to the public. Cheap electricity might increase usage but it also opens the door for future regulatory change - if we cut a manufacturers energy bill in half it's a lot to easier to make them swallow steep penalties about waste. Those kind of incremental victories are basically all a political party could hope.for. Capitalism will only disappear overnight with a revolution, and if it comes to that it'd be way outside the purview of the Green Party of Canada lmao
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Rockstar Massacre posted:You're not incorrect but nuclear as an energy source absolutely requires government ownership and regulation, so establishing it also takes away one lever of power and gives it to to the public. yes fair point. An electoral party is certainly not going to be revolutionary. I still think it is better to have an anti-capitalist, anti-nuclear party than it is to have a pro-capitalist, pro-nuclear party. I also don't think it's hypocritical to be an anti-nuclear environmentalist. I think a person hypothetically could be anti-any-new-power-plant without being a hypocritical environmentalist. I also don't think that the environmental movement is or has been the main barrier to nuclear power. Direct that anger at the oil industry. Technology (nuclear or otherwise) isn't a solution to climate change or other environmental issues. These are political problems, which comes down to power. There needs to be a political solution. I think you are incorrect about nuclear requiring government ownership though, seeing as there are private nuclear facilities already in operation.
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Duck Rodgers posted:The most important thing for an environmental party is a plan for an absolute reduction in energy and resource use. Anprim gang anprim gang But no really try to run on a platform of hand washing and drying clothes and see how far it takes you
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Isentropy posted:Anprim gang anprim gang What about a platform of not throwing out the clothes after one use? Is that a bridge too far
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Duck Rodgers posted:What about a platform of not throwing out the clothes after one use? Is that a bridge too far See that's doable. But one look at the energy mix of Ontario and any "anti-nuclear" policy seems to be very dangerous and risky. The fact we have such a high baseload of power in Ontario is why we can manage the heat waves without the energy price spiking like it does in the US or having rolling brownouts
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Environmentalists should be screaming for more nuclear. Decades of anti-nuclear propaganda funded by fossil fuels has done its work I guess.
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Isentropy posted:See that's doable. But one look at the energy mix of Ontario and any "anti-nuclear" policy seems to be very dangerous and risky. exactly and this is before, as i mentioned, we discuss a 100% electrification of home heating. obviously zoning can take care of that over time, but it’s nice to think about canada reducing its power usage while simultaneously greening its generation but i’ve never seen anyone successfully even theorize how that can happen in the next thirty years
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mediaphage posted:exactly and this is before, as i mentioned, we discuss a 100% electrification of home heating. obviously zoning can take care of that over time, but I'm on board. And with the way our houses are built - to hold in heat - we'll have to plan for increased AC usage in the future.
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Isentropy posted:I'm on board. And with the way our houses are built - to hold in heat - we'll have to plan for increased AC usage in the future. Heat pumps do both. They might not be at the point where they can be the sole heating source for places with real cold winters though. If you get months of -20 the heat pump might not keep up. It's also worth considering that electricity fails pretty often. In a big city that is usually resolved in a couple hours. In smaller cities and towns the power can be out for 12 hours while they get a crew out to the spot. And then there's the occasional ice storm and whatnot that knocks out power to a bunch of homes for days -- it doesn't happen every year or even every decade, but if electric is your only heat source it can be deadly. Many homes will need some kind of back up heat source.
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Y'all should be going Passive House. If you're not, you're a giant piece of poo poo and deserve whatever terrible calamity befalls you.
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Karach posted:Y'all should be going Passive House. I will never be able to afford a house here, to which I can do that. Does that make me a giant piece of poo poo?
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we’re adding 17 new machines to my factory to meet demand each one sucks up the power of a neighbourhood. home owners don’t really make a dent for electricity consumption. it’s a tactic used by the arseholes on top to make us believe we are the problem.
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Yeah I mean trying to unpack green energy means coming to grips with how much c02 extraction and production of materials to do these things costs. Nuclear seems to be the only option on the table that can have the biggest impact the fastest and best meet the baseline demands for the energy needed in those sectors.
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CLAM DOWN posted:I will never be able to afford a house here, to which I can do that. Does that make me a giant piece of poo poo? Yes! Justin Trudeau gave you all the chance to join the middle class and experience the true joy of living in a global parasite state. If the whole of your existence wasn't oriented around finding an expensive, shoddily-built box to store your gaming rig and floor mattress in, then you wasted your time. Now the storm is upon us, and you have nowhere to shelter.
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Karach posted:Yes! Justin Trudeau gave you all the chance to join the middle class and experience the true joy of living in a global parasite state. If the whole of your existence wasn't oriented around finding an expensive, shoddily-built box to store your gaming rig and floor mattress in, then you wasted your time. Now the storm is upon us, and you have nowhere to shelter. your bit is unfunny and stupid
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CLAM DOWN posted:your bit is unfunny and stupid It's definitely possible
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Page 1000 1000 pages of peace order and good governance May it last 1000 pages more and then be wiped off the face off the earth along with every other living thing amen
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Karach posted:Renters aren't even people in Canada. no kidding. CLAM DOWN posted:I will never be able to afford a house here, to which I can do that. Does that make me a giant piece of poo poo? not even human, apparently
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skewetoo posted:https://twitter.com/audrawilliams/status/1500669564711014401?s=20&t=jOUYyFUI3WzNfqgSTXDrhw just twisting the knife months of fighting to mandate employees back to work at the office and the property management firm that's been pushing them to do it lest they lose out on those sweet commercial rents needs to put a little salt in too
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infernal machines posted:not even human, apparently somewhere below moles and ants, all of which have a home of some sort that they build and maintain i say this as a renter, mind you
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