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evilweasel posted:the mechanics (including sending the jets to germany first) suggest poland is getting a little antsy about russian retaliation Yep. So basically Poland is "trading" them to the US, and the US will in turn donate them to Ukraine. I guess Ukraine will be flying a bunch of pilots to Germany to pick them up?
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Mar 8, 2022 20:01
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That's a very thin veil of plausible deniability, but I guess it's enough to protect Poland from retaliation?
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the popes toes posted:This is a fairly fascinating watch of a prominant Belorusian combat vet telling his countrymen not to go into Ukraine, for all the right reasons this dude owns. Shame how many otherwise well spoken, articulate russians are throwing themselves into the fire and just leaving nothing behind
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Mar 8, 2022 20:02
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TheRat posted:Are they going to Rammstein to be re-fitted for Ukrainian use or something then? Someone mentioned that NATO IFF and datalink systems would have to be removed. (Though keeping the datalink would be really useful I imagine) But it's just as much a way for Poland to dodge donating them directly.
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Mar 8, 2022 20:03
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Good. Let's increase the sanctions some more then.
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Mar 8, 2022 20:04
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I just saw. Huge news. I assume Poland is going to get F-16s either from the Boneyard or that are being retired for F-35s along with assurance they will get F-35s in the next 18 months. Giving Poland 40-60 F-16s is a win-win-win here. It gives Ukraine needed equipment right now, it gives Poland a major step up in capabilities in the near term and a increase in airframes, it cost the US almost nothing since these were sunk cost and a majority would have likely gone to the Boneyard. Long term once Poland gets F-35s these F-16s could easily go to Ukraine as well since I would be utterly amazed if Ukraine doesn't have personal training on US made equipment right now. Like I said before having 150 recruits sent to the US to train for use and maintenance of the F-16 pays off in spades down the road. Same with other equipment.
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1501263231947612162?s=20&t=twe1L13mJ3TmCAOx3ZFdTQ Can't sanction what you already aren't getting. Putin wins(?)
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Mar 8, 2022 20:05
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Missing Name posted:Can't sanction what you already aren't getting. Putin wins(?) That was Nordstream 2. This cuts off the rest of the gas that Germany was unwilling to sanction. Gas that Germany is heavily dependent upon
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Mar 8, 2022 20:06
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TyrantWD posted:Discord is working fine for me. Been on it all day. Recently? All the channels I'm in stopped showing any new activity about an hour ago.
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Mar 8, 2022 20:07
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Doctor Butts posted:Discord not working for me on my home internet or separate 5g connection. https://discordstatus.com/ Seems to be a major API issue going on. Seems to be happening a lot lately. They push out so many updates so quickly I really do wonder what they test setup is like.
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TheRat posted:Are they going to Rammstein to be re-fitted for Ukrainian use or something then? Wingtip flamethrower re-fit 
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Mar 8, 2022 20:08
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CommieGIR posted:That was Nordstream 2. This cuts off the rest of the gas that Germany was unwilling to sanction.
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Mar 8, 2022 20:08
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Alan Smithee posted:this dude owns. Shame how many otherwise well spoken, articulate russians are throwing themselves into the fire and just leaving nothing behind The absolute tragedy of these kinds of dictatorships is there are incredibly capable, moral people who have their lives ruined for standing up to the government. It's why some of the worst rise to the top: you either have to abandon your own principles or get broken on the wheel.
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Mar 8, 2022 20:08
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Polish Airforce might not be too hot about getting worn out F-16, there were already complains that Mig-29 were easier and cheaper to service. On the other hand we're talking about government that bought Abrams tanks despite all domestic experts saying it's a dumb idea, and we should get more Leopards instead..
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Mar 8, 2022 20:09
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I guess my big concern here is that Poland will be temporarily "shields down" while the bulk of their airforce is away.
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Djarum posted:https://discordstatus.com/ So not maybe cyberwarfare, just really bad timing?
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alex314 posted:Polish Airforce might not be too hot about getting worn out F-16, there were already complains that Mig-29 were easier and cheaper to service. On the other hand we're talking about government that bought Abrams tanks despite all domestic experts saying it's a dumb idea, and we should get more Leopards instead.. They should all watch Iron Eagle. They'll come around.
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Mar 8, 2022 20:09
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Nessus posted:It seems as though this technique might have had more impact in February. They replaced a lot of their electricity generation form Nuclear with natural gas. It will have an impact.
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Mar 8, 2022 20:10
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Missing Name posted:Can't sanction what you already aren't getting. Putin wins(?) If they cut off Nord Stream 1, Germany is hosed
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Djarum posted:I just saw. Huge news. I assume Poland is going to get F-16s either from the Boneyard or that are being retired for F-35s along with assurance they will get F-35s in the next 18 months. Don’t F-35s have the problem of every hour of flight requiring more than an hour of maintenance? I thought they were good jets on paper but terrible in practice but I have no idea.
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Calibanibal posted:I guess my big concern here is that Poland will be temporarily "shields down" while the bulk of their airforce is away.
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Calibanibal posted:I guess my big concern here is that Poland will be temporarily "shields down" while the bulk of their airforce is away. They still have their F-16s.
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CommieGIR posted:That was Nordstream 2. This cuts off the rest of the gas that Germany was unwilling to sanction. I strongly suspect the executive order gives Putin the option to cut off that gas flow, but is not him actually doing it yet. Basically, just another threat that is largely empty (cutting off gas means Russia gets no hard currency at all, it would hurt Russia as much or more as it would hurt Germany).
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Morrow posted:The absolute tragedy of these kinds of dictatorships is there are incredibly capable, moral people who have their lives ruined for standing up to the government. It's why some of the worst rise to the top: you either have to abandon your own principles or get broken on the wheel. Yeah. Throughout history over and over again, there's whole generations of brilliant artists, authors, scientists, philosophers, poets, investigative journalists, engineers etc. who were wiped out by authoritarian incompetent boobs.
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1501263231947612162?s=20&t=twe1L13mJ3TmCAOx3ZFdTQ Is it bad that my reaction to this is "good"? Like, I get that Germany needs that gas and that's why they haven't sanctioned it, but Putin needs to sell his gas and his calculation is that Germany will be pressed to lift the other sanctions to get their gas back and I just don't see that happening. If anything, it's just going to piss Germany off more.
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Djarum posted:I just saw. Huge news. I assume Poland is going to get F-16s either from the Boneyard or that are being retired for F-35s along with assurance they will get F-35s in the next 18 months. Denmark and Norway have airframes in storage as well, and I think they are pretty well maintained. Calibanibal posted:I guess my big concern here is that Poland will be temporarily "shields down" while the bulk of their airforce is away. NATO fighters are stationed in Poland, they'll be fine.
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Play posted:Disputed territory seized by Russia after ww2. They're relatively small, but it's a LONG chain of islands stretching basically from Russia to Japan. Japan only claims the four islands closest to Hokkaido. Everything north of that they ceded by treaty to Russia in the 19th century. The southern four were just occupied post-ww2 under “the gently caress you going to do” doctrine. They’ve never abandoned those claims and tried to resolve the issue just 3 years ago by negotiations
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1501263231947612162?s=20&t=twe1L13mJ3TmCAOx3ZFdTQ Isn't this cutting off the nose to spite the face? I get that this hurts Germany, but wouldn't it also be cutting off their own one big remaining revenue source?
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1501263231947612162?s=20&t=twe1L13mJ3TmCAOx3ZFdTQ This is real Russian Roulette, every chamber is full and they're just repeatedly unloading into their own skull
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Mef989 posted:Isn't this cutting off the nose to spite the face? I get that this hurts Germany, but wouldn't it also be cutting off their own one big remaining revenue source? Putin basically wants to do the inverse the EU is and make Russia less dependent on imports and exports.
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alex314 posted:Polish Airforce might not be too hot about getting worn out F-16, there were already complains that Mig-29 were easier and cheaper to service. On the other hand we're talking about government that bought Abrams tanks despite all domestic experts saying it's a dumb idea, and we should get more Leopards instead.. Doesn't Poland already have the Leopard 2PL? Seems kind of weird to put M1A2s into the mix.
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BIG FLUFFY DOG posted:“the gently caress you going to do” doctrine. Putin hosed around with this just a tad too much and the world is starting to see the consequences of leaning on that doctrine too heavily.
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Telsa Cola posted:There is a QCS thread about it, for what its worth. Wow why is QCS such a dumpster fire? I thought that was the official mod support forum but all the replies are just shitposts. Sure seems like the admin take stuff very seriously.
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Both the pessimistic and optimistic outcomes of this basically involve Russia ultimately taking most or all of Ukraine barring some unforeseen extraordinary event. Then Russia has to deal with what will be one of the largest and best equipped insurgencies ever. The whole situation is incredibly bleak and what Ukraine is fighting for isn't short term decisive military victory over Russia. To quote one person more knowledgeable than me, 'you don't quickly defeat an enemy with 2700 tanks by destroying 10 tanks a day.' Ukraine's situation is incredibly bleak, it's also probably in the best position it's been in in the last 8 years. Their win condition is to continue resisting long enough for sanctions and international and domestic pressure on Russia to force them to the table. Barring Russia doing some stupid stuff on a level unprecedented even for this war, Ukraine doesn't win the conventional war any time soon. The more pertinent question was and remains 'how pyrrhic of a victory will it be for Russia?'
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CommieGIR posted:https://twitter.com/sentdefender/status/1501263231947612162?s=20&t=twe1L13mJ3TmCAOx3ZFdTQ My immediate  interpretation of this is that Russia's vassalization to China is pretty much inevitable at this point and that this is these wheels starting to turn already. Edit: Not in the sense that China is antagonizing Europe, but that they are securing these resources for themselves. Aramis fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Mar 8, 2022 |
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CommieGIR posted:They replaced a lot of their electricity generation form Nuclear with natural gas. It will have an impact. This is just as false as all the other times it was brought up, hth.
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Nfcknblvbl posted:Doesn't Poland already have the Leopard 2PL? Seems kind of weird to put M1A2s into the mix. This is a plot by Warthunder to justify premium vehicles for the Poland tree!
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Mef989 posted:Isn't this cutting off the nose to spite the face? I get that this hurts Germany, but wouldn't it also be cutting off their own one big remaining revenue source? Yeah, and the only thing this ensures is that it makes sure everyone in Germany should understand that you cannot trust the Russians anymore, and they need to switch to something else or get a new source sooner rather than later. So Putin basically is threatening their last customers that he might cut them off or not deliver already bought stuff just to be an rear end in a top hat, further speeding up the process of customers leaving. Logic!
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Boris Galerkin posted:Wow why is QCS such a dumpster fire? I thought that was the official mod support forum but all the replies are just shitposts. Sure seems like the admin take stuff very seriously. its the official forum for tattletales and people who take posting too seriously.
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