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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I don't think there'll ever be something to take that niche again, at least for the forseeable future - the tools and technology are really much better now (my main memory of the Flash era was everyone's little Flash applets being broken nearly all the time, either because you had the wrong week's release or some dependency of a dependency of a dependency had vanished somewhere), but Flash came out in an era where the internet was basically a big DIY community by necessity where everything was made from scratch by randos in whatever community you were part of, so any creative kid was likely to pick up an adequate level of technical knowhow by osmosis without even really trying. Now that kind of web development is a niche skillset and even if nu-Macromedia came out with an HTML5 development suite with Flash's exact UI tomorrow, it wouldn't see the same level of adoption from that class of hobby tinkerer because you can't post the output directly to Twitter anyway. Construct 3, for the record, is pretty good at chucking HTML5 poo poo together in a matter of minutes and this is all completely accurate I wouldn't say it's Macromedia Flash easy but I'm dumb as hell and I can do some thangs with it, it's just... yeah, not really an envelope begging to be pushed now if I could post HTML5 gimmicks in BBcode, then we'd be cooking with gas
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girl dick energy posted:Ironically, "self-published Japanese webnovel to real manga/anime" is a pipeline that actually does get a fair bit of travel. They're almost all garbage, but hey, that never stopped comics. Truly, One Punch Man is the ultimate webcomic success story. Well, I guess depending on your views of anime vs. Hollywood, Marry Me may have taken the throne
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Marry Me won in the moment, but everyone's basically forgotten about it completely, but people still know and care about ONE.
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Mar 7, 2022 10:05
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Loss is more relevant than Marry Me any day of the week.
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I didn't even know any of the movie or TV show deals from that guy ever got made lol
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Elfface posted:Loss is more relevant than Marry Me any day of the week.
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World Famous W posted:Loss is webcomics defining memory And sometimes it's harder on the writer than on the reader.
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fun hater posted:his brother owns keenspot and regularly used his position to boost his brothers work. hes not working that hard. he just knows ppl and produces safe, uneventful poo poo created exclusively to take a theater slot from a rival Oh, wow. I should have known there was a "Say the line, Bart!" in there somewhere.
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Loss ain't that funny.
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RIP userfriendly.
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Antigravitas posted:RIP userfriendly. Did he give any reason why, or just "Eh, well, sucks". I'm of mixed opinions. ON the one hand, it's not like it was relevant even at the time it went into perma-repeats, let alone now; on the other hand, I'm never a fan of parts of internet history going dark.
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The worst loss, there's no longer any context for the most ironic-in-hindsight Penny Arcade. 'People will pass up steak once a week for crap every day.'
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Neito posted:Did he give any reason why, or just "Eh, well, sucks". It was built in an ancient version of perl running via mod_perl on apache, and it was impossible to maintain. The most important thing was the forum, and it has apparently largely moved to a different site. I am honestly a bit baffled that he didn't just dump the comic somewhere else read only. It wasn't high art, but having it just vanish is sad.
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Hostile V posted:An interesting and still on-going thread about reading 20 years of Sinfest. This just hit 2019 today and while things were not too bad before, relatively speaking, it really just dives off the cliff into really extremely gross territory.
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Potsticker posted:This just hit 2019 today and while things were not too bad before, relatively speaking, it really just dives off the cliff into really extremely gross territory. Is there a specific turning point?
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Regy Rusty posted:Is there a specific turning point? The way the review is framed, this here is the start: twitter.com/bitterkarella/status/1501257044107542531 Even the tweet before this the way the particular characters have been framed and the "Boy Princess" line are pretty in-line with how the strip has been fairly positive on issues with its characters either being free in how they express themselves, though there is a sort of underlying current of Women/Femininity = Good and Men/Masculinity = Bad throughout the years that arriving here is not the biggest surprise. Apparently here isn't even the worst it gets. Previous years have been pretty well done on anti-cop and anti-imperialism issues and from what the reviewer has been posting, apparently that takes a hard turn as well.
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Potsticker posted:This just hit 2019 today and while things were not too bad before, relatively speaking, it really just dives off the cliff into really extremely gross territory. Regy Rusty posted:Is there a specific turning point? e: and yeah that bit Potsticker linked, that's when the metaphors just stop making any sort of sense. There was a tenuous balance of ideas and images that kept getting stacked like a house of cards and the moment he starts talking about gender identity and being trans/nonbinary: https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-13-2015/1C1aL6.mp4 The TERFness takes over. Nothing matters anymore. The metaphors are turned into a confused jumble of cognitive dissonance because "men should not objectify women and women should be free but that means men can be sex workers and if men are sex workers sin is inherent and if sin is inherent then you should smoke a bowl and put on a funny devil hat and dance around because it's funny to be gay". What fascinates me is the majority of the criticism I've seen of Sinfest in the last 9 years has been...pretty much just tethered in 2013 when the Sisterhood rises to prominence. I follow a webcomic review site on Tumblr where talking about Sinfest comes up somewhat regularly in the "let's see if the kitchen is still on fire" sense and there's really just a lot of online scuttlebutt around the webcomic world that talks about the 2nd wave turn, the hard pivot into an echo chamber in his forums where he alienates 80% of his previous audience and then continues to keep nuking forums regularly as they become more and more entrenched in hate and fear but like...that's it. People who mention the current events are just seeing parts of the elephant and are unable to put the thing together and, y'know, rightfully so, they stopped reading the loving thing and it just kept doubling down in their absence into something unrecognizable, but outside of a bunch of dedicated weirdos who hate-follow this thing regularly there hasn't been a readily accessible glimpse into the descent. And I'm happy the Twitter thread is actually weaving the pivots and turns through the death spiral as it comes crashing down so I can know just what the gently caress. Vox Valentine fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Mar 9, 2022 |
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Yeah, I've been fascinated by this review because I stopped reading Sinfest in I think 2009-2010ish when I started seeing strips, characters and plots I didn't recognize. And I vaguely remember I stopped reading "because it got bad," but with this review I don't think it did get bad. I think I just stopped reading because it was kind of boring and the sunday strips in specific were getting unintelligible and I just heard it had "gotten bad" in the years that followed without actually checking.
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I think the way the comic had pretty much settled on "all men are iredeemably bad because of their boners, all women are are trapped as whores by the patriarchy, no sex is consensual" before making the turn pretty much seems like the comic had settled into a rigid, brittle worldview that would be easy to shatter. And then when he finally does start to go through a shift, whatever audience was sticking to the comic by that point probably reacted poorly, which Ishida already had a history of dealing poorly with criticism from the audience, so that'd push him further down whatever path he was on.
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When I've seen Sinfest posted before I've always wondered if there was some context that made it seem any less completely insane. Like I knew the views would be completely reprehensible whatever the context, but it also just always seemed like nonsense. Having now seen the first one where the TERF stuff started though... no it was just unhinged from the start.
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My recollection of Sinfest is that it was aping the aesthetic of Calvin and Hobbes but 'edgy' in the most milquetoast way humanly possible, then it got kinda vaguely leftist, then it did a swan dive pirouette into the abyss of TERF poo poo. I remember at the time there being some rumblings that the Very Weird Abrupt Shift had something to do with the author getting involved with a woman whose views were stereotypical UK terf poo poo but I dunno. It is all a blurrrrrr.
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Captain Oblivious posted:My recollection of Sinfest is that it was aping the aesthetic of Calvin and Hobbes but 'edgy' in the most milquetoast way humanly possible, then it got kinda vaguely leftist, then it did a swan dive pirouette into the abyss of TERF poo poo. I remember at the time there being some rumblings that the Very Weird Abrupt Shift had something to do with the author getting involved with a woman whose views were stereotypical UK terf poo poo but I dunno. It is all a blurrrrrr. Yeah, it started out as a mix of trying to look like Calvin and Hobbes but sound like Bloom County and now we're... here.
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It started out as a kinda-edgy comic makin' jokes about sex and religion, and at some point his values started to shift and he started to be ashamed of his old jokes and wildly over-corrected until he was just directly moralizing against what he used to be with no jokes and weird abstract scenes, and from there his views just deteriorated and radicalized. Which I guess the specifics of his new views and how he gets to them are real weird, but otherwise, he's got to be at least in his 40s by now, so it's not that surprising for him to start raging against weird new things on top of the other things he was angry at.
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The one thing that sticks out as really unhealthy (and makes me feel bad for him) to me is the strips in which he has a character attack a fictionalized version of his forums. Or when he personifies the users as zombies and have them attack the cartoon version of himself Like, I don't know what the actual forums were like, but if you've attracted the wrong kind of audience that stick around to harass you when you've changed your outlook and regret the old stuff you've done, I'm sure it was not great for him to basically go to war with those people and acknowledge them like that in the comic itself.
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I feel like (having read that thread on twitter) he very transparently is incapable of taking criticism from people he's categorized as 'sinful' while being pathologically open to criticism from people he sees as 'pure' or otherwise in a position to tell him that his gut guilt feelings are correct. The recent 'trans = transhumanism = conspiracy bullshit' stuff from him is both extremely weird and also extremely the standard conspiracy bullshit of the moment, so I really don't think his 'zombie' fans were that aggressive or cruel, as opposed to just expressing disappointment or disbelief at his weird turns.
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Regy Rusty posted:Is there a specific turning point? IMHO, and it's mostly fuled by all the stuff I was intrested in being thrown to the side to make way for her, was Bike Girl. Memory remembers her as being a real "Stop doing this interesting thing and pay attention to me and my boring poo poo that stops interesting things from happening!" type situation.
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Joe Slowboat posted:I feel like (having read that thread on twitter) he very transparently is incapable of taking criticism from people he's categorized as 'sinful' while being pathologically open to criticism from people he sees as 'pure' or otherwise in a position to tell him that his gut guilt feelings are correct. This checks out. Before he was famous for being "That TERF Guy", Tatsuya was famous for being the guy who used to pitch a fit and completely nuke his personal forums once or twice a year, back when personal forums were things webcomics were expected to have., and it was largely based around warring camps of fans who all had extremely specific ideas about what Sinfest was about. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 12:49 on Mar 9, 2022 |
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Regy Rusty posted:When I've seen Sinfest posted before I've always wondered if there was some context that made it seem any less completely insane. Like I knew the views would be completely reprehensible whatever the context, but it also just always seemed like nonsense. Ishida feels bad about jerking off to porn, diverts all his edgy fight-the-power-oh-am-I-triggering-you online posturing energy into his comic instead of Twitter, and everything pretty much descends from there
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There's an immense amount of self-loathing in the early feminist years. Some of the strips are actually solid feminist points, but they're interspersed with accidental psychodrama about how the author isn't sure he's allowed to be making those points, and his voiciferously puritanical adherence to whatever the thing of the day is feels like an attempt to compensate for that. I think the thread writer's read about the essentially Christian morality suffusing the entire project is dead on: even when Ishida is talking about the violence that men do to women, he's really talking about original sin. His primary interest is always his own complicity in his sinfulness and a continual attempt to reconcile that with his attraction to, and fascination with, women. The metaphysics of his serpentine political cartoon setting are another aspect of that. Lilith lives in a nest (!) and is pure and animal before Satan, who represents patriarchal civilisation, seduces and subjugates her. It's a gawky marriage of Christian theology with poisonous cultural bromides about animal woman (good) vs. civilised man (bad), ignoring the ways in which those ideas themselves perpetuate sexism. It's a fascinating mess.
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Dawgstar posted:Yeah, it started out as a mix of trying to look like Calvin and Hobbes I'm pretty sure I remember a very early comic with where he had Slick and Monique just straight up doing the C&H pajama dance In other news Magnolia Porter Siddell has launched her new comic https://www.monster-pulse.com/goldenboar
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Sinfest review is over and I'm actually pretty surprised that it just completely falls apart on every discernable level. Trump + Covid seems to have completely shattered any thought at all to characterization and plotlines and-- a discernable messaage. I had thought that he just became a weird boomer chud, but those are the bad guys too in the comics. I have no idea why Squiggy off-hand mentions he went back to porn after the whole huge story arc about him quitting and actually becoming a better person. The only "good" people left appear to be a backwoods hillbilly-speaking white Christian (true-believing) married couple who raise 2021 like she was
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And because Twitter is a nightmare when displaying threads of like one or two posts, nevermind a book like this, Here's the rollup. It sits on 300+ A4 pages in pdf format!
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Ishida's art really did improve, even as it was never bad. It's a shame about everything else. On a whim I peaked in at Dresden Codak with nothing to report other than SOMEbody decided they liked Mirko from My Hero Academia.
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It's just baffling to me that overall, there's this steady downward slide in overall quality and comprehensibility, but the transphobia just comes completely out of left field. Like, there are so many strips prior to that where the message seems to be "rigid gender roles are awful, experimenting with gender expression is a good thing that can lead you to important truths about yourself" and then one day he wakes up and his brain is full of GENDER CONFORMITY IS GOOD, EVIL DOCTORS ARE TRANSING OUR KIDS. I was expecting more of a gradual decline in that respect, too.
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I think before the big TERF swing there was a brief period where he'd been confronted with the fact that second-wave radical feminism wasn't actually the accepted progressive position, and what he'd thought as a conflict of "women vs The Man" was actually "a small handful of older women vs everyone" and was getting a bit lost about what is really the right way. Then he encountered the gender element and could immediately latch onto that to explain why modern progressives are Bad and Wrong in his worldview so it became the centrepiece of everything immediately.
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He also went ludicrously, in-advisedly all in on Obama early on, and put all his mental eggs in the Hope and Change and Occupy Wall Street baskets. When that wave broke and receded in 2016, the overall readbility of the strips really took a massive nose-dive right away, and pretty soon Bilderberg and Illuminati references started showing up as the disillusionment took hold. The descent into SWERFdom was gradual, but he clearly crack-pinged in a major way when Trump showed up, despite never really acknowledging Trump very much in the strip. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 15:27 on Mar 10, 2022 |
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ToxicFrog posted:It's just baffling to me that overall, there's this steady downward slide in overall quality and comprehensibility, but the transphobia just comes completely out of left field. Like, there are so many strips prior to that where the message seems to be "rigid gender roles are awful, experimenting with gender expression is a good thing that can lead you to important truths about yourself" and then one day he wakes up and his brain is full of GENDER CONFORMITY IS GOOD, EVIL DOCTORS ARE TRANSING OUR KIDS. I was expecting more of a gradual decline in that respect, too. Like virtually all TERFs, his messaging is still incoherent: there's a ton of concern trolling about how there's nothing wrong with people exploring gender nonconformity and people in the LGBTQ movement are the real gender essentialists for trying to shove anyone who strays outside their assigned gender roles into a new gender box, even while the strip is full of gender nonconforming stereotypes depicted as a literal zombie legion driven to destroy civilization.
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ToxicFrog posted:It's just baffling to me that overall, there's this steady downward slide in overall quality and comprehensibility, but the transphobia just comes completely out of left field. Like, there are so many strips prior to that where the message seems to be "rigid gender roles are awful, experimenting with gender expression is a good thing that can lead you to important truths about yourself" and then one day he wakes up and his brain is full of GENDER CONFORMITY IS GOOD, EVIL DOCTORS ARE TRANSING OUR KIDS. I was expecting more of a gradual decline in that respect, too. jerked off to trans porn one day and transferred all his self-loathing about his porn addiction onto the gender wars
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