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Duck Rodgers posted:We need to address capitalist production and consumption. You're not going to be able to do this. You already lost. The pandemic proved that.
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vyelkin posted:The Green Party of Canada is a pro-capitalist, anti-nuclear party. Yeah I'm aware. This started when I said it's worth joining to vote for an ecosocialist as leader. And yeah I know the green party isn't going to lead a revolution. Anyway I guess I'm not cynical enough for this thread. Yeah the world is hosed but lots of people are doing things to try and fix it. Join in if you have time
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what is there that is worth doing to try and fix things? i'm genuinely asking. anything i can think of feels like trying to stop a coming tsunami by blowing at it with a fan
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This Ukrainian editor of canadaland is a loving fraud Newest episodes are trash
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paul_soccer12 posted:This Ukrainian editor of canadaland is a loving fraud They're unbelievably bad takes. It's straight-up Ukrainian nationalist propaganda and centrist "Russia bad, Ukraine good" nonsense. Makes me wonder where else they've dropped the ball.
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:what is there that is worth doing to try and fix things? i'm genuinely asking. anything i can think of feels like trying to stop a coming tsunami by blowing at it with a fan Try not be a miserable piece of poo poo for the rest of your life, however long or short that may end up being, about it. That's pretty much it.
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:what is there that is worth doing to try and fix things? i'm genuinely asking. anything i can think of feels like trying to stop a coming tsunami by blowing at it with a fan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUPA0C60YDE
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Crow Buddy posted:Try not be a miserable piece of poo poo for the rest of your life, however long or short that may end up being, about it. Let's be honest too: Living in Canada you're already incredibly privileged and wealthy, the worst effects of climate change will not be visited upon us.
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:what is there that is worth doing to try and fix things? i'm genuinely asking. anything i can think of feels like trying to stop a coming tsunami by blowing at it with a fan That's the thing. Any individual action at this point is basically about mitigating the amount of suffering you and your loved ones will experience as the weather goes to poo poo, everything becomes more expensive/unavailable, etc. You can try building some kind of preparation community among your own friends, family, and colleagues, but I've found that people really don't want to think about this stuff. Most people that I know are still living in fantasy land, and want to plan for a fantasy future where their kids go to college and get good jobs in investment banking and government administration. Or you can go and protest RBC investing in oil sands and poo poo. It accomplishes absolutely nothing, but it's good to build links with that community, I guess.
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Another Bill posted:Let's be honest too: Living in Canada you're already incredibly privileged and wealthy, the worst effects of climate change will not be visited upon us. i'm unfortunately cursed with this tendency to at least care a little bit about other people including non-old-stock-canadians and foreigners. or maybe i'm just pretending to care so i can tell myself i'm a good person, i don't know, but that doesn't change the fact that it's still loving maddening that the people least responsible for all of this are yet again going to suffer more than anyone else
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Just remember it isn’t a personal failing that you cannot fix it, or even help most others.
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The communist party of canada is a pro-capitalist party? this is disconcerting
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Crow Buddy posted:Just remember it isn’t a personal failing that you cannot fix it, or even help most others. yeah, i suppose that's true. but i still haven't fully internalized it once upon a time i was a bright-eyed university student, thinking i'd be able to at the very least make some tiny positive change in the world. that's gone, obviously, but the step from "well at least i can try to not make the world worse" to "there is no future. lol. lmao." is a harder one to swallow
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Duck Rodgers posted:Yeah I'm aware. This started when I said it's worth joining to vote for an ecosocialist as leader. And yeah I know the green party isn't going to lead a revolution. You don't have to be cynical to post here and I admire you for wanting to push the Green Party in a better direction. I think it is a larger fight than just who their leader is, because the impression I have formed of the Green Party is that it fundamentally exists for people who care about the environment but also want nothing to change in their current lives. They don't want to take the bus instead of driving or live in an apartment building instead of a suburb, which is why it's the Teslas and solar panels party, not the nuclear power and degrowth party. I think electing an ecosocialist leader is more likely to destroy the party than to refashion it as an anticapitalist one because the majority of its supporters would just go vote Liberal instead if the Greens started criticizing capitalism, and that is why I personally use my limited amount of time and political power to try and push the NDP left rather than to do any kind of entryism in the Green Party, because I think the NDP's history of being at least open to anticapitalist ideas makes it more likely (read: still not very likely!) to become an anticapitalist party than the Green Liberals.
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vyelkin posted:because I think the NDP's history of being at least open to anticapitalist ideas makes it more likely (read: still not very likely!) to become an anticapitalist party than the Green Liberals. Any positive news on this front?
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Another Bill posted:Let's be honest too: Living in Canada you're already incredibly privileged and wealthy, the worst effects of climate change will not be visited upon us. What. More than 700 people in Vancouver died in the heat dome last summer.
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skewetoo posted:Better things are not possible i didn't know you were NDP
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CLAM DOWN posted:What. More than 700 people in Vancouver died in the heat dome last summer. WHO: "Climatic changes already are estimated to cause over 150,000 deaths annually." They weren't saying that Canada will experience nothing, just that other places are going to be hit far worse than Canada.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:WHO: "Climatic changes already are estimated to cause over 150,000 deaths annually." If 700 people died in the Vancouver heat dome, out of 150,000 global deaths Vancouver amounted for 0.467% of the total. Considering Canada accounts for 0.487% of the world's total population, that means in that year we had just about the share you should expect if the impact of climate change was going to affect every country equally. I don't know if I have a point there, since it's unlikely we'd have such a heat dome every single year, but presumably if it isn't the heat dome it'll be something else.
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vyelkin posted:If 700 people died in the Vancouver heat dome, out of 150,000 global deaths Vancouver amounted for 0.467% of the total. Considering Canada accounts for 0.487% of the world's total population, that means in that year we had just about the share you should expect if the impact of climate change was going to affect every country equally. I didn't think to do that math, and dang.
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Starks posted:even if it was true that Canada wouldn’t be as screwed from climate change, the worlds largest and most aggressive army is literally right next door and they will definitely feel the effects of climate change The American military can operate in three dimensions, a wall won't do. Only a dome can truly protect us
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seconds ago you people were talking about how domes killed a bunch of people in BC, and now domes are our last, best hope to survive annexation by the US? make up your mind already!
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:seconds ago you people were talking about how domes killed a bunch of people in BC, and now domes are our last, best hope to survive annexation by the US? make up your mind already! we all go dome together there are lots of little things people can do locally like fight for green space and try to stop development wherever it rears its head. no one thing is going to solve this, and yeah individual actions don't matter on their own but small actions can inspire other people even if you never know it. And who knows what the future brings, you might want to be ready if people start mobilizing and organizing against their extinction in a serious way.
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Karach posted:They're unbelievably bad takes. It's straight-up Ukrainian nationalist propaganda and centrist "Russia bad, Ukraine good" nonsense. I came close to cancelling over Jesse's headass takes on the Qonvoy.
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Futanari Damacy posted:With the plants we have now (so this number will increase the more there are), there is on average a catastrophic accidental release of radiation every 15-25 years so you gotta factor that in. We could have a chernobyl size disaster every other day of the year and it would still mean fewer people are dying compared to fossil fuel pollution.
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Okay. So let's assume plants are closed. What's to stop us from ending up like Germany? Because things like air conditioning (and in places like NS/NB heat load) consume a chunk of baseload energy and replacing them with pretty turbines won't cut it. For reference AC alone consumed 22 GW by itself It seems like you'd decomission the plants then immediately have to like fire up gas plants or import from QC or NYS because rolling brown outs during the first heat wave...
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Fashionable Jorts posted:We could have a chernobyl size disaster every other day of the year and it would still mean fewer people are dying compared to fossil fuel pollution. and we get a bunch of sweet nature preserves in the process, with exotic lifeforms like radioactive boars and radioactive bears and invisible humanoids with tentacles for mouth that want to suck your blood
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:and we get a bunch of sweet nature preserves in the process, with exotic lifeforms like radioactive boars and radioactive bears and invisible humanoids with tentacles for mouth that want to suck your blood best way to fight suburban sprawl; make all land outside of cities radioactive.
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:yeah, i suppose that's true. but i still haven't fully internalized it The cynic is born when the idealist dies.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:best way to fight suburban sprawl; make all land outside of cities radioactive. welcome. welcome to city 17
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Futanari Damacy posted:The proposition seems to be to replace gas with nuclear, not the other way around. Canada is rich in both gas and uranium so I'm not sure what would cause Canada to "end up like Germany" whatever that means exactly. We can use waste as fuel.
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Futanari Damacy posted:Yeah, I make posts powered by poo poo all the time!! Human centipede perpetual posting monster
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I hope we end up like Germany where houses cost 80,000€
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Starks posted:even if it was true that Canada wouldn’t be as screwed from climate change, the worlds largest and most aggressive army is literally right next door and they will definitely feel the effects of climate change
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