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FreezingInferno posted:And who could forget our old friend Arsenal Summoner? I wonder how many of those are entirely the responsibility of the translation, and how many just had the word Guardian in Japanese originally... -Celitc Guardian: Originally Elf Swordsman. Translation's fault. -Winged Dragon, Guardian of the Fortress #1: Originally Fortress-Protecting Winged Dragon. I'm willing to put this one on the Japanese side, since it's a pretty logical translation of the original name. -Winged Dragon, Guardian of the Fortress #2: Originally Wyvern. Translation's fault. -Guardian of the Labyrinth: Originally Watchman of the Underworld. A Watchman is sort of a Guardian, I guess? -The Reliable Guardian: Direct translation of the Japanese name, so this one isn't the translation's fault. So two are 100% renames that didn't need to happen, one is a logical translation that went wrong, one is sort of that but not as much, and one's a direct translation. Surprisingly fine when you consider other examples.
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Are there any other TCGs that rely so heavily on card names to define their archetypes? The 'Guardian' especially is silly, because both 'Guardian' and 'Celtic Guardian' are archetypes.
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Skios posted:Are there any other TCGs that rely so heavily on card names to define their archetypes? The 'Guardian' especially is silly, because both 'Guardian' and 'Celtic Guardian' are archetypes. The most recent Digimon TCG has support for "Greymon" and "Garurumon" cards. Like the Yugioh TCG, old translations necessitated rulings to state the few exceptions to those names like BurningGreymon (originally Vritramon) and KendoGarurumon (originally Garmmon).
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I wouldn't really blame the translators for the Guardians issue, they had no way of knowing that the word would randomly start mattering. A lot of those cards predated the idea of archetypes.
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Mar 8, 2022 19:24
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I wouldn't really blame the translators for the Guardians issue, they had no way of knowing that the word would randomly start mattering. A lot of those cards predated the idea of archetypes. I partly would though. The cards that already had a Japanese equivalent to "guardian" aren't their fault, but they had no real reason to rename a bunch of things which later caused issues.
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Mar 8, 2022 19:34
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Yeah they did. It sounds better.
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Blaze Dragon posted:I partly would though.
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Mar 8, 2022 19:42
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kirbysuperstar posted:God I have no idea what they thought they were doing with that, going from "what are you chucklefucks up to ha ha" to "oh god what are you doing" I still think Tragedy is the most unfortunate one.  
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Mar 8, 2022 20:30
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Julias posted:I still think Tragedy is the most unfortunate one. What the actual hell.
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Mar 8, 2022 20:38
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Some of the censored art looks better tbh. Ring of Destruction is way cooler when it's a wheel of fire that blows up for no reason instead of a necklace of realistic frag grenades
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Mar 8, 2022 20:53
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Let's be honest, Monster Reborn's weird crystal jellyfish is way more iconic than the uncensored ankh in the OCG.
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Mar 8, 2022 21:11
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Agreed on both of the above.
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Neo_Crimson posted:Let's be honest, Monster Reborn's weird crystal jellyfish is way more iconic than the uncensored ankh in the OCG. This one is true enough that they actually backported the design into the OCG later. It's a really cool design.
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Mar 8, 2022 22:12
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 Never noticed just how obviously they copy pasted the original art a poo poo-ton of times.
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Just had a thirteen turn game, with me going first, playing my Kragen Control against their Sky Strikers. Jesus can that game bounce back from an empty field/hand. We both got insanely lucky with top decks too. I was staring down a 5300 attack Access Code Talker on an empty board and an empty hand when I drew my only copy of Lightning Storm. The funny thing is - they could have won if they just beat over one of my two attack position monsters and left the other one on the field until next turn. However, after my Lightning Storm, they had two turns in a row where they topdecked an Impermanence to stop my Buzzsaw Shark from activating. They also turned a topdecked Upstart Goblin into a Pot of Avarice into an almost full recovery. The only annoying thing is that they surrendered at the last possible moment, denying me the satisfaction of beating them properly  .
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Julias posted:I still think Tragedy is the most unfortunate one. Oh ...no....
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Irony Be My Shield posted:This is still my favourite example OH COME ON THAT'S JUST A loving ANIME TROPE! I'm pretty sure it's even happened in the Yugioh anime!
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Jesus Christ, Konami.
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Yeah I can't at all fault him for being pissed about that stuff.
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It is pretty lovely that Konami still doesn't credit individual artists when literally every other card game does now.
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Individual artist credit would be great, in part because I think something you'd see would be that one guy is slowly improving and is responsible for both some of the worst older art and some of the best current ones. Either that, or we find out that the entire Skull Servants archetype and story is driven by one dude who just won't stop drawing skeletons.
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I will wholeheartedly support whoever wants to draw that many boners.
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mtg has been getting more into getting japanese artists to draw JP-exclusive card variants recently, I wonder if making that more commonplace might make Konami less worried about artists being poached?
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The weird thing is that Konami doesn't just not credit their artists, they apparently make them sign draconian NDAs, even when the artist in question is super obvious because of their distinctive style. (i.e. Genzoman repeatedly winking at the camera about drawing Kozmo Farmgirl et al.) Edit: https://twitter.com/mrgenzoman/status/773952670952517636?lang=en
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Sky Strikers are some poo poo. Widow Anchor is just unreasonable imo.
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Dabir posted:Sky Strikers are some poo poo. Widow Anchor is just unreasonable imo.
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https://twitter.com/UltimaShadowX/status/1500981329361526786?t=pKkAxLz0iW-jMA9QwYvuow&s=19
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girl dick energy posted:I've started considering running Cosmic Cyclone as my backrow hate for Eldlich and Sky Strikers. I'm already seeing maindeck cosmic cyclones in net decks.
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Dabir posted:Sky Strikers are some poo poo. Widow Anchor is just unreasonable imo. Sky Strikers are some absolute nonsense and I pine for the day that the deck is finally dead and buried and gone forever.
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I had a 40 minute game with my 60 card eldlich deck vs a decent Sky Striker player. It was very back and forth and I ended up forcing them to surrender. Widow anchor can indeed go suck a gently caress.
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What is Sky Strikers win condition? I feel like they always just sort of flail ineffectively but draw the match out forever. I do run a deck that summons tokens on their field and that really seems to screw them up though.
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Zore posted:What is Sky Strikers win condition? I feel like they always just sort of flail ineffectively but draw the match out forever.
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I've also seen Sky Strikers be pretty adept at link climbing, which inevitably leads to Accesscode Talker Beatdown.
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Zore posted:What is Sky Strikers win condition? I feel like they always just sort of flail ineffectively but draw the match out forever. Win on Resources. It's literally a deck designed to out-resource the opponent until they can make a kill and the opponent can't defend.
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Zore posted:What is Sky Strikers win condition? I feel like they always just sort of flail ineffectively but draw the match out forever. They win the grind game. They beat you with their insane resource looping. They drag you out until you can't stop them then turbo into Accesscode and kill you from there.
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And that's why you have to out resource them by making many adorable Deserts and showing them the absolute power of a True Monarch.
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Zore posted:What is Sky Strikers win condition? I feel like they always just sort of flail ineffectively but draw the match out forever. Dinosaurs? Yeah half their cards need their main monster zones to be empty so the field spell kinda messes them up
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Get you an easy to summon boss that can't be targeted
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I guess for Megaliths, the BLS link would work. I always feel uneasy about leaving that thing out on the field even though targeting and destruction protection is pretty great.
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