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Trump posted:Bombs, bullets, grenades, missiles etc. kills children as well. Yeah but mines are a lot less likely to kill than those items listen. They are meant to maim. Yes bombs maim etc. But mines blow up hands and feet and leave you alive moreso than the others.
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Trump posted:Bombs, bullets, grenades, missiles etc. kills children as well. Those things tend to be more directed and immediate, and using cluster munitions in a populated area is a war crime for this very reason. Anti personnel mines kill indiscriminately decades later. This is just more "there's no difference between amounts of bad" bullshit.
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All weapons suck if you're on the opposite end of them Things tend to be banned by the Geneva Convention when they target indiscriminately (think poison gases) or are especially cruel in terms of human suffering they cause (think poison gases) Butterfly mines definitely fall into the 'targets indiscriminately' column particularly WRT their potential appeal to children, but yeah they are no more or less enjoyable to get blown up by than any other explosive (which is to say, quite unenjoyable)
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New Coke posted:The fact that it was a proposed evacuation route that was mined is a bit disconcerting as well. "Look, we opened a safe corridor and Ukraine shelled their own people to prevent them from leaving!"
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Butterfly bombs are far older than Vietnam. The Germans used to drop them in England. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj8mT6Z_LEY
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Yeah but mines are a lot less likely to kill than those items listen. They are meant to maim. Yes bombs maim etc. But mines blow up hands and feet and leave you alive moreso than the others. A 5.56 shattering the spine of a child is a more good weapon than a mine? Got ya. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Doccers posted:"Look, we opened a safe corridor and Ukraine shelled their own people to prevent them from leaving!" There were posts along these lines in the "other" Ukraine thread related to concerns about past corridors and it being not Russia's fault. It was pretty disgusting. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Sally Sprodgkin posted:All weapons suck if you're on the opposite end of them Nobody is claiming there's a good way to die here. Don't dismiss the point that there are inherent and inseparable parts of war (killing the people who are trying to kill you) and things that give you an edge but are horrifically cruel (mining evacuation routes). You can take issue with the latter without being naïve or self contradicting. Trump posted:A 5.56 shattering the spine of a child is a more good weapon than a mine? Got ya. This can't possibly be in good faith.
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Duck_King posted:Butterfly bombs are far older than Vietnam. The Germans used to drop them in England. I'm the woman who slept through an air raid and woke up in the morning to find a butterfly bomb hanging from my wrecked ceiling
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Trump posted:A 5.56 shattering the spine of a child is a more good weapon than a mine? Got ya. Well a 5.56 requires a trigger puller. And when those baby killing trigger pullers leave the country the 5.56 stops being an effective killing weapon. As long as the death squads we left behind aren't in your village your fine. However, the mines will sit idle for years after year until your favorite grand kid tried to grab a flower toy out of a strangers garden.
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Russia appears to be trying to keep people cooped up on the sieged cities by deliberately creating uncertainty and fear about what will happen to you if you flee. Offering escape and having it be a trap is scarier than not offering it at all because now you can't trust future opportunities. They're probably trying to keep people on the cities so they can be captured along with the city when it falls and forcibly made part of russo-ukraine. They may also be thinking that civilians trapped in the city will be eating up supplies and making things more difficult for the ukrainian troops.
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KillHour posted:This is horrific holy poo poo. "intended to maim... because it slows people down more" has to be a war crime in and of itself, right? I'm pretty sure that's standard procedure for personal mines and applies to most mines placed in Afghanistan. I remember learning about that during my brief time at the German army. The cold calculation is actually quite logical. If your mine kills the soldier who steps on it you reduce the platoon by one person. If that person instead loses a foot, but survives, another one has to be occupied to help him move, while the whole platoon would have to move slower to not lose them. What is a war crime is if the platoon leader decides that the extra hassle of having a broken soldier around isn't worth it and decides to act as if he just died there in the initial blast. Also yeah, using mines on a so called humanitarian corridor definitely applys.
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Celebrity mercenaries. gently caress me Holy poo poo
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Has Abu TOW made it to Ukraine yet?
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Celebrity Volunteer.
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In other news, Ukraine has asked the Danish Health Authority to take in children with cancer and possibly others requiring treatment as a direct or indirect cause of the war. 3 hospitals have already said they can take in and treat children with cancer.
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The 22e aka the Van-Doos are one of the most celebrated regiments in Canadian military history. They’re known to be some of our best soldiers and are effective as shock troops. Ultimately this guy probably won’t make much difference strategically but it’s a major morale boost and a contender for another white death.
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KitConstantine posted:The Red Cross confirmed that the corridors out of Mariupol were mined. These are the same assholes who decided that UN no-hit lists are their priority target lists in Syria. https://twitter.com/AliRogin/status/1501285866232291328 Do we really expect anything else from them?
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New Coke posted:The fact that it was a proposed evacuation route that was mined is a bit disconcerting as well. Russia/Syria did this in Aleppo and other Syrian cities. I think someone upthread said they did it in Grozny in 1997 as well.
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Turned his haters into consumers https://twitter.com/AP/status/1501426347889016835
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Deadbeat Dad posted:More so than the sanctions argument, what are off-ramps that are palatable for both Ukraine/Russia? I would like to see more countries pushing for peace. Even though people get on China for not condemning Russia and painting it way more rosy than it is, they most definitely don't want things to escalate much further. Even if Putin isn't a rational actor, my hopes are that wide-spread war fervor and jingoism that's been rampant from NATO countries gets drowned out and people get weary of this war quickly and realize that at some point cheering for the good guy who doesn't want to see their country destroyed just means more civilian/military death that could've been avoided. I watched this video from 10 days ago and part of the discussion was about what went wrong with Minsk II, in the context of understanding "what Putin wants". If you're too lazy to click or image-phobic, here are the bullet points for Minsk II: 1-2. Ceasefire & withdrawal of heavy weapons 3. OSCE/Trilateral (=OSCE + Russia/Ukraine) monitoring thereof 4. Local elections in Donetsk/Luhansk 5-6. Pardons, amnesties and prisoner exchange 7. Humanitarian aid 8. Re-establishment of social ties/services (pensions, utilities, taxes) 9. Ukrainian control of border after local elections 10. Withdrawal of foreign forces 11. Constitutional reform providing for decentralization with special recognition of Donetsk/Luhansk, including linguistic self-determination and cross-border cooperation with Russia 12. OSCE-monitored national elections including Donetsk/Luhansk Summarizing the discussion in the video, the speaker (Kim Lane Scheppele) says that the bolded points were not met by Ukraine, with the constitutional reform being the main sticking point. At this stage, the most academic thing happens, and the speaker (Scheppele) invites another panelist (Mark Beissinger) to interrupt, which he does, never letting her actually finish. He brings up that Ukraine did partially implement autonomy for Donetsk/Luhansk, and that Russia also broke the agreement by keeping heavy weapons in/around Donbass (as did Ukraine). He claims that the breakdown was bilateral, but ultimately blames Russia more from walking away from the process in 2017, stating (without much justification) that they never intended to fulfill it and were happy with Donbass languishing to destabilize Ukraine. I don't think any of this was as important in precipitating the conflict as the 2019 thing that nobody wants to mention, but it's a reasonable reading of minimal demands for Russia. Post-invasion, though, who knows? A lazy answer is that Putin has brain worms and wants to annex all of Ukraine, but nobody serious seems to believe that. Recognition of Crimea seems obvious. Demilitarization could mean anything from no retrofitting of military bases and removal of troops from the Crimea/Donbass borders, wherever they end up, to complete disarmament. 'Denazification' could mean anything from disbanding of Azov and banning of far-right parties to wholesale regime change. Neutral status clearly means no NATO membership, but probably also includes no EU membership, and precludes NATO/EU military aid. Independence for or annexation of Donbass seems likely, since the status quo doesn't seem to have worked out in anyone's favour. Annexation of more of eastern Ukraine - ??? It's really not obvious to me, or seemingly anyone involved, how much of any of that Putin really wants.
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Pretty sure the first 5 words of point 11 is the end of the Ukraine
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Deteriorata posted:Another dawn is breaking in Kyiv, and it's still Ukrainian. A voice of sanity in these troubled times. 
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Despera posted:Pretty sure the first 5 words of point 11 is the end of the Ukraine Special recognition of Donetsk/Luhansk as broadly autonomous (but still Ukrainian) regions would probably be a "Deal! No takebacks!" instant acceptance from Ukraine right now. They already signed the Minsk agreements, Putin claims they just haven't been honoring them (I have no idea if this is true or not, but it's something Putin says so...) Agreeing to peace on the terms of "abide by the Minsk agreements you already said you would" would be basically the Russians admitting defeat and leaving right now like the whole invasion was a sternly worded warning, though, so I don't think Russia would settle for it. Bremen fucked around with this message at 07:36 on Mar 9, 2022 |
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Despera posted:Turned his haters into consumers What is up with that pic? It looks like he's on a gameshow hoping for the jackpot lol
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Smeef posted:What is up with that pic? It looks like he's on a gameshow hoping for the jackpot lol
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Smeef posted:What is up with that pic? It looks like he's on a gameshow hoping for the jackpot lol Maduro can easily be besties with the U.S. the second it works out for him.
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Guess its time to see what the old Ayatollah wants
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Kavros posted:Maduro can easily be besties with the U.S. the second it works out for him. Can't wait for Rubio to say how he's always thought of Venezuela as a strategic ally.
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Despera posted:Guess its time to see what the old Ayatollah wants Look, I say the US should have an open pitch process for "America's Newest Friend". If North Korea can fine an oil pump somewhere they're welcome to join
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Barudak posted:Look, I say the US should have an open pitch process for "America's Newest Friend". If North Korea can fine an oil pump somewhere they're welcome to join
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Question: all of these social media sites are blocked in Russia. Does that prevent the Russian Bots/Trolls from posting on them to the rest of the world? Seems like they could easily prevent anyone in country from seeing but still allow their propaganda farma to continue posting to everyone else
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If you eat wheat you're chowing down with Putin https://twitter.com/Sino_Market/status/1501450229664473092?cxt=HHwWiICjsezBnNYpAAAA e: https://twitter.com/wagnerassis_/status/1501266726549442566 the popes toes fucked around with this message at 08:05 on Mar 9, 2022 |
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:Question: all of these social media sites are blocked in Russia. Does that prevent the Russian Bots/Trolls from posting on them to the rest of the world? Seems like they could easily prevent anyone in country from seeing but still allow their propaganda farma to continue posting to everyone else You are asking if a covert operation can arrange a VPN plan for their employees
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