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serious gaylord
Sep 16, 2007

what.
The doubling of the standing charge is normal and those seem like the new rates I'm getting on SSE.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

It is aggravating seeing my mother complaining about the heating costs when 1. she didn't want to vote corbyn because his plan to nationalize utilities would "take us back to the 1970s when we had no electric for days" when she is now huddling in one room trying not to run the heating or electric during the day. And 2. she knocked some walls in and created one gigantic cavernous room on one side of the house that has three exterior walls on the assumption she was going to spend all day in it, and now avoids using it like the plague because it costs an absurd amount to heat which would have been blindingly loving obvious to anyone with half a brain when you built the god drat thing. Also it is a kitchen and obviously everyone wants a kitchen that runs the entire length of the loving house and has no corner counters and where the hob is like 25 feet from the sink. Which I think she has also realized is stupid because now she wants an island unit to put more crap in and because half the counter space is at the other end of the loving building.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Mar 9, 2022

WhatEvil
Jun 6, 2004

Can't get no luck.

goddamnedtwisto posted:

He's being radicalised by the fact that the shitpost left are the only ones not to just constantly bring up foxes - he's already been on Sinan Kose's stream and IIRC has talked about a couple of other lefty podcasts. Give him a couple of months and he'll be doing Phoenix Wright Twitch streams in his wig and gown and tweeting Rare Brendans.

He was on Sinan Kose's twitch stream but came across as just another liberal wetwipe, frankly.

1965917
Oct 4, 2005

Lady Demelza posted:

It took me months to get my overpayment refunded when I last switched supplier because they insisted it could only be done by cheque, and they had spelled my name incorrectly so the bank wouldn't process it. Amazing that we can have smart metres that show how much we owe in real time, but getting money out of them still requires physical pieces of paper.

My energy supplier is trying to double my direct debit based on the energy used in the last 3 months since I was switched to them, as if the depths of winter is a completely representative sample.

Edit: Does this sound typical for all energy companies?

"Your electricity rates will change from 20.316p to 27.627p per kWh and your standing charge per day will change from 23.76p to 44.74p.
Your gas rates will change from 3.987p to 7.282p per kWh and your standing charge per day will change from 26.11p to 27.22p."

I get that the rates are going up, its poo poo and I hate it but I understand it. Why the gently caress are the standing charges going up?

And yes, this is typical for energy companies.

Mine went bust and the one thats taken over seems to have "lost" my credit balance.

Nationalize it.

Pablo Bluth
Sep 7, 2007

I've made a huge mistake.
Ofgem have moved a bunch of costs from being covered by the unit rate to the standing charge. The standing charge is also covering recovering all the money lost to the brankrupt companies.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Lady Demelza posted:

Edit: Does this sound typical for all energy companies?

"Your electricity rates will change from 20.316p to 27.627p per kWh and your standing charge per day will change from 23.76p to 44.74p.
Your gas rates will change from 3.987p to 7.282p per kWh and your standing charge per day will change from 26.11p to 27.22p."
Seems almost the exact same for me.

Guavanaut posted:

Bulb are putting their prices up heavily from next month.

Electricity from 20.306p to 27.627p per kWh and standing charge from 23.759p to 44.750p per day.

Gas from 3.987p to 7.282p per kWh and standing charge from 26.112p to 27.219p per day.

Jeherrin
Jun 7, 2012

Pablo Bluth posted:

Ofgem have moved a bunch of costs from being covered by the unit rate to the standing charge. The standing charge is also covering recovering all the money lost to the brankrupt companies.

I hate that the fact that a failure of capitalism (hedging against futures and getting it wrong) is the people’s fault. Profits are capitalism, but debts are socialism.

gently caress them all. “Oh we’re sorry that we’re uniquely exposed to market changes and have to pass the costs to consumers because ::shuffles notes:: utilities are unusually heavily privatised compared to anyone who isn’t Germany.”

Absolute shower of arseholes.

jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

OwlFancier posted:

It is aggravating seeing my mother complaining about the heating costs when 1. she didn't want to vote corbyn because his plan to nationalize utilities would "take us back to the 1970s when we had no electric for days" when she is now huddling in one room trying not to run the heating or electric during the day. And 2. she knocked some walls in and created one gigantic cavernous room on one side of the house that has three exterior walls on the assumption she was going to spend all day in it, and now avoids using it like the plague because it costs an absurd amount to heat which would have been blindingly loving obvious to anyone with half a brain when you built the god drat thing. Also it is a kitchen and obviously everyone wants a kitchen that runs the entire length of the loving house and has no corner counters and where the hob is like 25 feet from the sink. Which I think she has also realized is stupid because now she wants an island unit to put more crap in and because half the counter space is at the other end of the loving building.

Has she not considered partitioning her cavern into several small potholes for the rental market? Like all the other boomers?

She can then heat to her hearts content off of the backs of their labour.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Mercifully her dislike of other people overcomes her desire for cash. She has plenty of money, the only thing it makes a dent in is how much stupid poo poo she can spend it on.

jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

but hey, at least it's not the 70's again

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

She would have been an early teenager at the oldest then.

jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

Pesky corbyn and his free broadband package to bring us back to the 70's

Convex
Aug 19, 2010
I've heard he is a vegetarian, just like hitler

Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009



Lipstick Apathy
Thanks everyone re: standing charges. I suspected they were all much of a muchness.

Which makes having lots of private companies doing the same thing for the same price with the same low standard of competence even more ridiculous.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Yes but ~consumer choice~

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Why do we even have a fire brigade, why not just have hundreds of insurance companies each providing their own fire service, that way you can decide whether you want to pay for ladder service and pick what uniform you want to attend your fire.

jiggerypokery
Feb 1, 2012

...But I could hardly wait six months with a red hot jape like that under me belt.

Like breakdown cover? I like it.

I look forward to choosing the colour scheme of the deliveroo firefighter that's going to prize my chared corpse out of my poorly cladded pothole

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

(like literally existed before the creation of the actual fire service because the insurance version was stupidly inefficient)

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
The only thing worse than having lots of ~choice~ is when you have none but it's privatized anyway because of free markets.

Like with water, where I can choose to uproot my life and paddle in piss with a different company label on the rates, or rail where I can exercise my consumer choice by opting to travel somewhere completely different to where I need to.

There won't be a dozen different fire brigades, there'll be one run by Serco and then Severn Trent invoice you for the water used.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

Well obviously we need more deregulation so that they can build a competing, better railwayroad near the existing one like snow crash.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Five parallel water mains, two of which have to advertise the contents as 'water'*

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!

Lady Demelza posted:

It took me months to get my overpayment refunded when I last switched supplier because they insisted it could only be done by cheque, and they had spelled my name incorrectly so the bank wouldn't process it. Amazing that we can have smart metres that show how much we owe in real time, but getting money out of them still requires physical pieces of paper.

My energy supplier is trying to double my direct debit based on the energy used in the last 3 months since I was switched to them, as if the depths of winter is a completely representative sample.

Edit: Does this sound typical for all energy companies?

"Your electricity rates will change from 20.316p to 27.627p per kWh and your standing charge per day will change from 23.76p to 44.74p.
Your gas rates will change from 3.987p to 7.282p per kWh and your standing charge per day will change from 26.11p to 27.22p."

These are the rates I fixed with Octopus for 2 years in October just before everything went pear-shaped. I've got Economy 7. (which is pretty useless for me as unless I have the heating on, I use under 1 unit per night). So your 27.627p doesn't seem unreasonable (in the scale of charges - not in the scale of WTF).

Hi 26.22
Lo 17.41
SChg 24.95


Ed: the best thing the wretched government could do is block the rise in standing charges - maybe allow 2-3% and bail out the rest much as they do with banks and people who rip off the taxpayer by £bns in fraudlent furlough claims etc.

Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 00:10 on Mar 10, 2022

Endjinneer
Aug 17, 2005
Fallen Rib

Pablo Bluth posted:

Ofgem have moved a bunch of costs from being covered by the unit rate to the standing charge. The standing charge is also covering recovering all the money lost to the brankrupt companies.

So as a customer of a defunct company, the difference between the market value of the energy I consumed and the price cap is being levied on the standing charge rather than the unit rate?
By spreading the cost equally across all users, Isn't that a sneaky bailout of the high consumers of energy at the expense of low consumers?

Jaeluni Asjil
Apr 18, 2018

Sorry I thought you were a landlord when I gave you your old avatar!
Just come across this app:

https://toogoodtogo.co.uk/en-gb

quote:

RESCUE MAGIC BAGS OF SURPLUS, UNSOLD FOOD
FROM YOUR FAVOURITE SHOPS AND RESTAURANTS
Every day, delicious, fresh food goes to waste at cafes, restaurants, hotels, shops and manufacturers - just because it hasn’t sold in time. The Too Good To Go app lets you buy and collect this food - at a great price - so it gets eaten instead of wasted. You won’t know exactly what’s in your order until you pick it up - it’s all part of the surprise. Download the app to get started.

Find your location (you can say within however many km) and see what shops are giving 'magic bags' of unsold edibles away (with a time they're doing them and apparently you can reserve them too). Greggs is one of our locals - £2.59 bags.

HopperUK
Apr 29, 2007

Why would an ambulance be leaving the hospital?
EE broadband is down. Several people commenting that it's obviously a Russian attack! They're trying to stop us playing Elden Ring all night, madness.

Bobby Deluxe
May 9, 2004

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Just come across this app:

https://toogoodtogo.co.uk/en-gb

Find your location (you can say within however many km) and see what shops are giving 'magic bags' of unsold edibles away (with a time they're doing them and apparently you can reserve them too). Greggs is one of our locals - £2.59 bags.
Amazing that the food is suddenly safe for people to eat now they can charge people for it, whereas they previously 'had' to tip bleach on it to stop the homeless getting a free meal.

Noxville
Dec 7, 2003

Jaeluni Asjil posted:

Just come across this app:

https://toogoodtogo.co.uk/en-gb

Find your location (you can say within however many km) and see what shops are giving 'magic bags' of unsold edibles away (with a time they're doing them and apparently you can reserve them too). Greggs is one of our locals - £2.59 bags.

I think it was mentioned in this thread s couple of months ago because I started using it after that - very nice the amount of Greggs stuff you can get from a bag. £2.59 gets a couple of sandwiches, some sausage rolls, some bakes, and a few donuts.

Have recommended it to all my friends and now one of them does pretty much all his shopping in there, buys mystery bags from supermarkets and then lives for the week on whatever he gets.

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Yeah Too Good To Go is excellent. I can also recommend Olio, which I use for free stuff but is also used by people who collect food waste from supermarkets to distribute to people who want it. A lot of supermarkets have signed up to give food waste to Olio volunteers (my wife does it)

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
It's always fish sandwiches and jam doughnuts. Yuck

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009
https://twitter.com/Steven_Swinford/status/1501847597140660226

https://twitter.com/danielstorey85/status/1501855838398517250

Jippa fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Mar 10, 2022

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018
:yeshaha:

keep punching joe
Jan 22, 2006

Die Satan!
you must build a boat

https://twitter.com/christopherhope/status/1501830187008368641

Gorn Myson
Aug 8, 2007






If things stayed the same at the next election I just wouldn't have voted but if Boris kills Chelsea FC I might have a reason to vote Tory for once in my life.

Obviously I won't but at least the Tories in that one specific case are offering me an opportunity to relish in some spite at an entity I hate.

Labour offers nothing.

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




Gorn Myson posted:

If things stayed the same at the next election I just wouldn't have voted but if Boris kills Chelsea FC I might have a reason to vote Tory for once in my life.

Obviously I won't but at least the Tories in that one specific case are offering me an opportunity to relish in some spite at an entity I hate.

Labour offers nothing.

Boris selling Chelsea's players for cheap and using the money to redecorate his flat will be a big vote winner. Might be a tory landslide.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

The Royal blob is a simple organism that responds to every stimulus by demanding a new superyacht.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Can't they just rename one of those seized oligarch yachts? They're already designed exactly for the tastes of a kleptocrat mob boss using high church kitsch to distract from being a second rate power.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

keep punching joe posted:

The Alba Party truly is a land of contrasts. On one hand we have grassroots members drawing weak comparisons to the Ukraine conflict and internal UK politics, and on the other hand potential local election candidates who are also pro-Putin spies.

https://twitter.com/bellacaledonia/status/1501634155804778498

The Alba Party, led by Russia Today talking head Alex Salmond, has been infiltrated by pro-Putin spies? Well I never.

<dons Energy Professional hat>

Right - bullshit meter readings and how to deal with them. My advice to anyone so afflicted is to take a photo of your meter at the same time every day for a week and submit those readings - most suppliers will let you do this online. Call the company when you take the first read and let them know that you're disputing the bill, letting them know you can supply the photo as evidence. Make sure the photo is both date and time stamped; phone cameras do this automatically. If you're close to payment deadline then also ask them to put a hold on the account for 7 days while you establish baseline consumption. The correct term is a stop, but don't risk getting the idiot who started last month and thinks you're asking them to disconnect the supply.

Isomermaid
Dec 3, 2019

Swish swish, like a fish

"Yacht" is such a hosed up word to spell. Like, people just say "Yot" and the only way to make the proper spelling work is to kind of pronounce it in the back of your throat like a snarl of posh disdain - ok no, I get why it stuck.

smellmycheese
Feb 1, 2016

The yacht thing is so bizarre. Cheggers has made it quite clear he wants no part of it and even his Paedo brother might think it’s a bit gauche, but , no the daily Telegraph and those ruddy faced Tory backbenchers demand it so it’s happening regardless

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sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Superyachts are old news, Global Britain needs to pioneer the world's first hyperyacht.

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