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Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins
What are some hosed up fantasy* novels? I want to read some hosed up fantasy* novels.

*or science fiction

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Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
hosed up how?

Nigmaetcetera
Nov 17, 2004

borkborkborkmorkmorkmork-gabbalooins

Colonel Cancer posted:

hosed up how?

Like in any way. It could be offensive in some way, or shockingly graphic, or it’s just so creative it just makes you say "man that’s hosed up". I guess anything that elicits a reaction of "man that’s hosed up" will work.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
A lot of the Culture novels are a little bit like that. Every time I see forums poster staberind I have to chuckle

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
nposter
Nap Ghost

Colonel Cancer posted:

A lot of the Culture novels are a little bit like that. Every time I see forums poster staberind I have to chuckle

Use of Weapons :hmmyes:


Also check out Malazan Book of the Fallen. Overall the series can be tough to read and certain books drag (not as bad as Wheel of Time IMO) but its easily the most epic fantasy series I've ever read.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
The player of games was solid but it's not that weird compared to half the other books. I think I've got 3 more to go to finish off The Culture series then I'll give the non-scifi stuff by Banks another go. I've started with Quarry years ago and it owned.

Atopian
Sep 23, 2014

I need a security perimeter with Venetian blinds.

Nigmaetcetera posted:

What are some hosed up fantasy* novels? I want to read some hosed up fantasy* novels.

*or science fiction

The Year Of Our War by Steph Swainson is pretty hosed up without being particularly offensive.
Doesn't really belong in this thread because it's... average to slightly above, or at least memorable, while definitely being different to a lot of fantasy.

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
I don't believe anything past AD&D 2nd edition is real D&D because that's all I know from the 90's but also because I'm a gully dwarf

Velvet Sparrow
May 15, 2006

'Hope' is the thing with feathers, that perches in the soul, and sings the tune, without the words, and never stops--at all.

Nigmaetcetera posted:

What are some hosed up fantasy* novels? I want to read some hosed up fantasy* novels.

*or science fiction

Anybody have a copy of 'Destination: Saturn' to lay on this Goon?


On second thought, don't. Let it die in peace. :suicide:

Comstar
Apr 20, 2007

Are you happy now?

Nigmaetcetera posted:

What are some hosed up fantasy* novels? I want to read some hosed up fantasy* novels.

*or science fiction

Gor. The original Men are from Mars, Women are meant to be sex slaves fantasy novels. Got much worse and very very boring as it went on.

Those fantasy novel's with THAT art? That's them.

quote:

According to The Encyclopedia of Science Fiction, Norman's "sexual philosophy" is "widely detested",[1] but the books have inspired a Gorean subculture.

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
It's "Gor *whipcrack*"

Coxswain Balls
Jun 4, 2001

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDSZ_bzudv0

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Comstar posted:

Gor. The original Men are from Mars, Women are meant to be sex slaves fantasy novels. Got much worse and very very boring as it went on.

Those fantasy novel's with THAT art? That's them.

It also starts off as a completely shameless rip off of the Barsoom series.

Action Jacktion
Jun 3, 2003

Comstar posted:

Gor. The original Men are from Mars, Women are meant to be sex slaves fantasy novels. Got much worse and very very boring as it went on.

Oh yeah, you can open a later Gor book at random and start reading, and most likely it'll be a long passage explaining how obvious it is that women are meant to be slaves and how everyone would be much happier if they were and why can't people understand that? The actual plots are completely secondary.

Cannibal Llama
Jan 3, 2020

Cannibal Llama sounds like it could be a zany intentional throwback to mid OOs Penguin of Doom tier usernames but it also sounds like it could be the name of the lamest possible Metal Gear Solid boss so please don't make fun of it.
Wow, these Gor novels sure do sound disgusting and misogynistic. As an enlightened man of taste I would prefer spending my time on wholesome high brow literature. Now, where are all the fantasy novels focused on femdom?

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Ah, you'll be wanting Drizzt then

sweet geek swag
Mar 29, 2006

Adjust lasers to FUN!





Anything by Terry Goodkind will be really hosed up. That being said... don't read Terry Goodkind. It's extremely hosed up.

girl dick energy
Sep 30, 2009

You think you have the wherewithal to figure out my puzzle vagina?
Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth is the series where the hero is lauded for genociding evil pacifists, right?

Sourdough Sam
May 2, 2010

:dukedog:
All I know about Gor comes from the MST3K episode.

Seems like one need only look at Boris Vallejo illustrations to have read the books.

Sourdough Sam fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Mar 9, 2022

NC Wyeth Death Cult
Dec 30, 2005

He lost his life in Chadds Ford, he was dancing with a train.

Atopian posted:

The Year Of Our War by Steph Swainson is pretty hosed up without being particularly offensive.
Doesn't really belong in this thread because it's... average to slightly above, or at least memorable, while definitely being different to a lot of fantasy.

It's kind of hosed up because Jim-Morrison-with-wings as the main character reads like something any high school kid would write and the author kind of stitches together something that pointedly avoids a lot of the genre's cliches but I think it's more cheesy than offensive. Like it's an ok read but you're not going to be moved by it to read up on gender theory or shoot up a school.

Jack-Off Lantern
Mar 2, 2012

Sourdough Sam posted:

All I know about Gor comes from the MST3K episode.

Seems like one need only look at Boris Vallejo illustrations to have read the books.

Yor : Hunter from the Future is a much better movie.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Nigmaetcetera posted:

What are some hosed up fantasy* novels? I want to read some hosed up fantasy* novels.

*or science fiction

Really weird? Firefly, by Piers Anthony. Some mysterious corpses are found with just bones and hair. A goo monster from the ocean that uses sex pheromones to lure in prey decides to leave the ocean for some reason. The pheromones don't travel as far in air as in water, but at close range they completely incapacitate the target with horny. The creature absorbs the brain and some of the consciousness of the creatures it devours, which is kind of interesting. It's behavior changes through the novel based on what, or who, it has recently eaten.

Content warning: The characters are adults, but one has flashbacks to child sexual abuse by an acquaintance, her brother, and her father to try to raise some point about how her rapist was the only one who really cared about her but he was also the only one punished for abusing her. The other woman character is on the run from an abusive ex. Standard Piers Anthony. Really could leave that poo poo out, Piers, it would be a better novel without it.

XeeD
Jul 10, 2001
I see invisible dumptrucks.
Anybody ever read Turtledove's Lost Legion trilogy? Its been a hundred years since I read them, but I think they didn't suck? Also, ist there a thread like this but for shittyawesome pulp scifi?

Non Krampus Mentis
Oct 17, 2011

Scrungus Bungus from the planet Grongous

Cannibal Llama posted:

Wow, these Gor novels sure do sound disgusting and misogynistic. As an enlightened man of taste I would prefer spending my time on wholesome high brow literature. Now, where are all the fantasy novels focused on femdom?
I’m writing as fast as I can, dude!

(This also reminds me I need to order a new copy of Chicks ‘n’ Chained Males.)

ChunTheUnavoidable
Sep 27, 2021

Jack vance, the only good fantasy writer? So far, yes

rotinaj
Sep 5, 2008

Fun Shoe

girl dick energy posted:

Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth is the series where the hero is lauded for genociding evil pacifists, right?

Evil pacifists who are incredibly obvious communist/socialist stand ins as understood by a libertarian

If goodkind were still alive and writing, I would put a hundo on him being a hardcore qanon trumper

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

girl dick energy posted:

Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth is the series where the hero is lauded for genociding evil pacifists, right?

The specific quote is "[pacifists] armed only with their hatred for moral clarity". And yes, our protagonist happily genocides them.

.random
May 7, 2007

Ravenfood posted:

The specific quote is "[pacifists] armed only with their hatred for moral clarity". And yes, our protagonist happily genocides them.

I read a book or two of this as a young lad, I think. It includes BDSM-fueled magic or something? I am glad I only half remember any of this.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



I read an unfortunate amount of Piers Anthony in my youth. I blame my subscription to the Science Fiction Book Club.

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib
I read an unfortunate amount of Piers Anthony in my youth, too. I blame my friends and the easy access to heaps of lowbrow Sci-Fi and Fantasy on their parents' bookshelves.

If I'd stuck to what was on the bookshelves at home, I'd have read endless mystery novels. I'm much happier with a Larry Niven or a David Drake than I am with a Sue Grafton or a Patricia Cornwell.

Piers Anthony would be in a special, rather icky class by himself if not for all the other authors mentioned in this thread who type one-handed. I enjoyed Firefly when I was 15, I doubt I'd like it today. I think there's something about living in Florida that really fucks with minds. Or maybe it's just the correlation between old men and Florida as a retirement destination. Anyway, Anthony is a mess, and Spider Robinson lost his goddam mind when he switched from critiquing the work of others and started writing his own stories.

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



ExecuDork posted:

David Drake

I read a lot of Hammer's Slammers stuff, and his sci-fi based on historical naval stuff, but don't think I ever read any of his fantasy. Or I did and just forgot it.

Jarvisi
Apr 17, 2001

Green is still best.

Nigmaetcetera posted:

What are some hosed up fantasy* novels? I want to read some hosed up fantasy* novels.

*or science fiction

I was gonna suggest the sparrow but forgot it's sci fi

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Jarvisi posted:

I was gonna suggest the sparrow but forgot it's sci fi

I always read before bed and was nearish the end to the Sparrow one night and stayed up until the middle of the night because I couldn't put it down. Then I got up and walked around. The Sparrow is an incredible book that hits you with one helluva gut punch.

Empty Sandwich
Apr 22, 2008

goatse mugs
I just started reading the Fahfrd and the Grey Mouser books, but I don't think they belong in this thread

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018

Empty Sandwich posted:

I just started reading the Fahfrd and the Grey Mouser books, but I don't think they belong in this thread

they absolutely do

ChunTheUnavoidable
Sep 27, 2021

Empty Sandwich posted:

I just started reading the Fahfrd and the Grey Mouser books, but I don't think they belong in this thread

those are so bad. I love em

nonathlon
Jul 9, 2004
And yet, somehow, now it's my fault ...

ExecuDork posted:

Anyway, Anthony is a mess, and Spider Robinson lost his goddam mind when he switched from critiquing the work of others and started writing his own stories.

Spider Robinson always seemed like an archetypal Californian dude from the 70s, who never really evolved past that point. A story might be set on Mars in 2150, but actually it feels like Redondo in 1973. He was perfectly aligned to the zeitgeist at one time but it's no longer that time. And so you get endless iterations on the Callahan's stories that read like they're 50 years old.

And The Sparrow? Read like trauma porn to me.

Vampire Panties
Apr 18, 2001
nposter
Nap Ghost

CaptainSarcastic posted:

I read a lot of Hammer's Slammers stuff, and his sci-fi based on historical naval stuff, but don't think I ever read any of his fantasy. Or I did and just forgot it.

He had the Lord of the Isles series, which IMO was entertaining and an interesting Sumerian take on fantasy at the time. David Drake also did a one off The Voyage, a Hammer's Slammers universe version of The Iliad.

David Drake also did the Northworld trilogy, which is an... interesting take on Norse mythology (that involves power armor :black101:)

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames

Nigmaetcetera posted:

What are some hosed up fantasy* novels? I want to read some hosed up fantasy* novels.

*or science fiction

Swanwick's The Iron Dragon's Daughter is super weird and hosed up and also quite good

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muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


Nigmaetcetera posted:

What are some hosed up fantasy* novels? I want to read some hosed up fantasy* novels.

*or science fiction

There's Glen Cook's The Black Company where the book follows a group of mercenaries who are working for the bad guy side in a fantasy story.

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