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Good soup! posted:Tbh I still hope they ultimately keep it going Pretty hosed up to say I hope they stop the mass murder and rape E: this doesn’t work as well on a different page from the last two posts
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christmas boots posted:Pretty hosed up to say I hope they stop the mass murder and rape lol
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Mar 9, 2022 19:41
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Brandfarlig posted:There is no free will I say as I commit mass murder and rape in order to turn into a demonlord. drat it would be hosed up if something like this 'determinism' existed in real life, imagine the implications!
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Mar 9, 2022 21:41
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Destiny and determinism are bullshit made up by people to justify themselves doing awful poo poo. Gutts has always accepted responsibility for the awful poo poo he has done. Fate isn’t real in Berserk, it’s just that the God Hand are incredibly powerful and are able to orchestrate a bunch of poo poo.
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Mar 9, 2022 21:43
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No Dignity posted:drat it would be hosed up if something like this 'determinism' existed in real life, imagine the implications! Are you incredibly christian or the god emperor of Dune?
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Mar 9, 2022 23:33
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PringleCreamEgg posted:Destiny and determinism are bullshit made up by people to justify themselves doing awful poo poo. Gutts has always accepted responsibility for the awful poo poo he has done. Fate isn’t real in Berserk, it’s just that the God Hand are incredibly powerful and are able to orchestrate a bunch of poo poo. Well, yeah, Guts and Caska surviving the eclipse shows that fate is not 100% determined for the people not chosen by the behelits but, for 99.999999% of people it is basically real.
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Mar 10, 2022 00:42
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trucutru posted:Well, yeah, Guts and Caska surviving the eclipse shows that fate is not 100% determined for the people not chosen by the behelits but, for 99.999999% of people it is basically real.
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trucutru posted:Well, yeah, Guts and Caska surviving the eclipse shows that fate is not 100% determined for the people not chosen by the behelits but, for 99.999999% of people it is basically real. Unless it was fate that they survived, therefore leading to the chain of events that would cause femto to be reborn, that would lead to his conflict with the kushan emperor and the material world and spirit world getting merged or whatever, and ultimately to whatever weird poo poo would have happened at the end of the series had it gone on longer. If everything is pre-ordained then it's possible that even the stuff that seems like it isn't, actually is, and that every single actor is always just playing their part no matter how badly they insist they aren't owned. 
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Mar 10, 2022 01:32
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IIRC Guts has basically been bucking fate since the moment he was born and something about existing in the interstice has only amplified that.
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Mar 10, 2022 01:52
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Nuebot posted:Unless it was fate that they survived, therefore leading to the chain of events that would cause femto to be reborn, that would lead to his conflict with the kushan emperor and the material world and spirit world getting merged or whatever, and ultimately to whatever weird poo poo would have happened at the end of the series had it gone on longer. If everything is pre-ordained then it's possible that even the stuff that seems like it isn't, actually is, and that every single actor is always just playing their part no matter how badly they insist they aren't owned. So, the last chapter is just 30 pages of corncobification?
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Mar 10, 2022 01:55
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christmas boots posted:IIRC Guts has basically been bucking fate since the moment he was born and something about existing in the interstice has only amplified that. Skull Knight confirms this to Guts by telling him he's always been one close to death and has defied it since the beginning.
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Mar 10, 2022 06:05
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Yeah like Guts has one of the most heavy metal origin stories ever and literally every aspect of his story has been about being an orphaned, unwanted vestige on society who stays on out of sheer raw determination. I have to give Miura a lot of credit for being so canny with Griffith's backstory too, because it would have been very easy and on-the-nose to have Griffith be some prodigal son or silver spoon motherfucker upset because he didn't have "enough." Instead we get just enough to see that Griffith was definitely of a kind to Casca and Guts and that it was his own disposition and framing that makes him such a piece of poo poo.
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Zodd calls Guts the struggler because that is his role, he is the one who overcomes in ways even Griffith, who overthrew reality, can never really be.
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Oh you know, one more thing. The merging of the planes doesn't happen until later, and the eclipse is a very closed door that few can pass through. Why are there apostles in the world at all? There were eclipses before, but no apostles. Monsters show up before the eclipse, but I always read that as "gathering"/leaking and not something permanent. Seems like part of the underdeveloped lore; ie, the way it needed to be for the story.
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christmas boots posted:IIRC Guts has basically been bucking fate since the moment he was born and something about existing in the interstice has only amplified that. Notice how in the scene where he plays dice with the Hawks, he wins the pot every single time. In every way, Guts defies the odds.
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Not Important posted:Notice how in the scene where he plays dice with the Hawks, he wins the pot every single time. In every way, Guts defies the odds. 
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We need to find one of them egg guys and feed them a baby so Miura can get reborn.
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Interesting that SK says "maybe you have some connection to the elves" when carrying Guts back to the mine the second time. I also did a bit of arithmetic and realized that Farnese and Serpico show up immediately after the eclipse, so they're around for the majority of the story.
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Brandfarlig posted:There is no free will I say as I commit mass murder and rape in order to turn into a demonlord. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTSpvCV34Ok "I have no free will", I sang As I flew about the murder Mrs. Richard Holmes, she screamed You really should have heard her I sang and I laughed, I howled and I wept I panted like a pup I blew a hole in Mrs. Richard Holmes And her husband stupidly stood up As he screamed, "You are an evil man" And I paused a while to wonder "If I have no free will then how can I Be morally culpable, I wonder" I shot Richard Holmes in the stomach And gingerly he sat down And he whispered weirdly, "No offense" And then lay upon the ground "None taken", I replied to him To which he gave a little cough With blazing wings I neatly aimed And blew his head completely off I've lived in this town for thirty years And to no-one I am a stranger And I put new bullets in my gun Chamber upon chamber And I turned my gun on the bird-like Mr. Brookes I thought of Saint Francis and his sparrows And as I shot down the youthful Richardson It was St. Sebastian I thought of, and his arrows
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:Or was it simply the fate of the other three to lose?
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One thing that struck me during my reread is how depressing Binding Chain and the beginning of the birth chapters are. I began to wonder if people like the Tower sequence so much because it's a breath of fresh air. Golden Age was not as... boring as previous rereads, but it's still not my favorite. I need to go back and find those few laughable views of Guts.
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Nuebot posted:Unless it was fate that they survived, therefore leading to the chain of events that would cause femto to be reborn, that would lead to his conflict with the kushan emperor and the material world and spirit world getting merged or whatever, and ultimately to whatever weird poo poo would have happened at the end of the series had it gone on longer. If everything is pre-ordained then it's possible that even the stuff that seems like it isn't, actually is, and that every single actor is always just playing their part no matter how badly they insist they aren't owned. They were branded for death by the not-at-all metaphorical hand of god itself and survived. That's undeniable proof that, at that point, they went outside of their fate. Maybe a new fate was spun for them afterwards, but that's something different.
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trucutru posted:They were branded for death by the not-at-all metaphorical hand of god itself and survived. That's undeniable proof that, at that point, they went outside of their fate. Maybe a new fate was spun for them afterwards, but that's something different. Doesn't the metaphor of a fish jumping out of water get used at some point? Like the fish is defying fate but also not really because it goes back into the water and gets swallowed up regardless.
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christmas boots posted:Doesn't the metaphor of a fish jumping out of water get used at some point? Like the fish is defying fate but also not really because it goes back into the water and gets swallowed up regardless. The fish jumping out of the water creates ripples though, disturbing the face of the pond. I took it as a chaos theory-like metaphor, Guts surviving led to the formation of the new Guts crew, Rickert becoming alienated from Griffith and giving him the slap and would have almost certainly led to an unforeseen outcome with the moonlight child. Events were stacking up that seemed to be outside the Godhand's vision, which I figured was going to be their downfall
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No Dignity posted:The fish jumping out of the water creates ripples though, disturbing the face of the pond. I took it as a chaos theory-like metaphor, Guts surviving led to the formation of the new Guts crew, Rickert becoming alienated from Griffith and giving him the slap and would have almost certainly led to an unforeseen outcome with the moonlight child. Events were stacking up that seemed to be outside the Godhand's vision, which I figured was going to be their downfall Casca surviving led to Griffith's current physical body so yeah, big consequences. Even the Skull Knight, who is the one that saved them anyways, was surprised that they weren't dead and the dude is very aware of the whole causality stuff.
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Skull Knight has been around on a quest for vengeance for seemingly close to a millennia the way its described, but at this point I think he's sticking around because he's most interested in seeing how Guts and Casca buck causality and stick it to the Godhand in a way he never could. He's just around as a voyeur at this point to see if anyone can escape the whirlpool he couldn't.
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The difference between Guts and Skully is that, per the latter's flashback, SK lost the person he cared about in the Eclipse and so when he survived there was nothing left for him but vengeance. Guts meanwhile still had Casca, even if she was in a completely broken state, and the primary locus of his arc has been that he can only balance a self-destructive quest for vengeance and a quest to heal Casca for so long before one inevitably consumes the other. And I think that's why Skull Knight went out of his way to save both Guts and Casca: so that each would still have something to hold onto besides vengeance. He also appears multiple times to caution Guts that vengeance will ultimately consume his humanity in the way it consumed his own. With the hindsight of SK's full backstory I think it's pretty clear he regrets what he's become but doesn't really have anything else left but to see his vengeance through, and that's a fate he doesn't want to befall Guts or Casca.
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So they're releasing the "final volume" soon, has anyone heard anything about them continuing it or not?
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Official word is there are no plans to continue at this time.
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If they ever decide to create a Berserk continuation, it should be under a different series title to establish a clear distinction. I have to imagine there's a few scattered notes, outlines and sketches left...but trying to pull those together into a coherent story would require lots of improvisation and guessing. You'd need a very good and respected writer/artist who can take responsibility, yet it would still feel like fanfiction (although perhaps extremely good fanfiction, if we're lucky). Btw...I just noticed earlier this week on Amazon that the digital manga volumes are on sale, in case anyone wants to pick up any volumes. wielder fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Apr 7, 2022 |
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wielder posted:If they ever decide to create a Berserk continuation, it should be under a different series title to establish a clear distinction. I have to imagine there's a few scattered notes, outlines and sketches left...but trying to pull those together into a coherent story would require lots of improvisation and guessing. Just get Brian Herbert on the phone!
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I feel like the right mangaka or creative team will get the proper blessings from the people involved and come in to finish up Berserk's story at some point, with things basically beelining straight to a proper ending in 20 or so monthly chapters. It just seems like too well-known of a property to just languish on the vine forever, though conversely it'd be pretty abnormal to launch into a continuation within a year or two of the author's death. I wouldn't expect a different title if this were to happen.
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Yeah, with all the merchandising deals and sales of the manga globally, in general, I can't imagine they would completely leave it alone and I would still like for it to get to some conclusion because those final panels had an enormous mix of  and  and ending on that is just the ultimate tease of.....wherever the gently caress Miura was heading
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Somebody linked reddit post a while back where Miura said at an exhibition that the manga was close to its final arc and he gave an extremely high level outline that was basically "Casca regains her sanity, then Guts and Griffith cross swords again, then Guts separates from his companions to once again become the black swordsman." Considering the final chapter we got we're almost certainly at the crossing swords point, which would then have probably transitioned into the series endgame. So yeah while nothing is ever going to be fully faithful even if Miura left 100% detailed notes somewhere, the story is in a place where you could reasonably wrap it up within 2-3 years of monthly publication.
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S'all fine with me, just call it "Berserk: The Struggle" or something to differentiate it on the shelf.
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I'd be pretty pleased if the events of a continuation centered around the next eclipse how ever many centuries in the future. As the new characters make discoveries about the world they live in we could get glimpses of how the original story eventually resolved. For example, Guts could kill Griffith when he is exposed and vulnerable in Elfheim, with the fallout being severing his relationship with Casca & co and his expulsion from Elfheim. This causes the Godhand to lose a finger and forces them to wait for the next eclipse which would bring us to this new series. For bonus melancholy Casca could eventually forgive Guts and set out back into the real world to find him only to discover that he passed away due to the time differential in Elfheim.
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wielder posted:Btw...I just noticed earlier this week on Amazon that the digital manga volumes are on sale, in case anyone wants to pick up any volumes. My reread is currently in book 24.
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Sydin posted:Somebody linked reddit post a while back where Miura said at an exhibition that the manga was close to its final arc and he gave an extremely high level outline that was basically "Casca regains her sanity, then Guts and Griffith cross swords again, then Guts separates from his companions to once again become the black swordsman." Considering the final chapter we got we're almost certainly at the crossing swords point, which would then have probably transitioned into the series endgame. So yeah while nothing is ever going to be fully faithful even if Miura left 100% detailed notes somewhere, the story is in a place where you could reasonably wrap it up within 2-3 years of monthly publication. I refuse to believe that Guts would become the black swordsman again, if Miura himself came up from the land of wind and ghosts to tell me this I would tell him to gently caress off and stop trolling.
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Guts becomes the Black Swordman again but now he's the kind of Black Swordsman who goes around willingly helping people out and saving cats trapped in trees.
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