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Payndz posted:Watched a video the other day that detailed (well enough, to my reading) Putin's motivations and objectives in invading Ukraine, and one was to restore a major water supply to Crimea that after its annexation the Ukrainians had, entirely reasonably, dammed up. I'm curious if the Russians have destroyed the dam yet - anyone know? The governor of occupied Crimea announced that the dam is under the control of RUssian troops a few days into the invasion I looked it up and a voice of america based report says that they'll need two weeks from that to restore the water supply: https://ru.krymr.com/a/podryv-damby-pirakhod-pobednyye-nastroyeniya-aksenova/31734075.html
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Threadkiller Dog posted:A lot of europeans have visited Ukraine or worked with Ukrainians and companies have offices there. It's not like some faraway weird place. They are probably more real people [tm] to us than Russians thats for sure. Aren't Kiev and Odessa reasonably popular holiday destinations? Payndz posted:Watched a video the other day that detailed (well enough, to my reading) Putin's motivations and objectives in invading Ukraine, and one was to restore a major water supply to Crimea that after its annexation the Ukrainians had, entirely reasonably, dammed up. I'm curious if the Russians have destroyed the dam yet - anyone know? There wasn't much too it, and they've controlled that area for a while now so I assume so unless there needs to be work done on the dry section of the canal after 8 years of not being used. You can see it here: https://goo.gl/maps/PjouVHFNkS36mY4c8
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Drove from Warsaw to Berlin yesterday evening. Constant stream of Ukrainian cars. Interesting to see both super luxury SUVs with higher-upper class families mixed with relatively poorer folks in Ladas and busses. Most of the traffic seems to dissipate across Poland - there’s a lot of Ukrainians heading further west but a cursory glance confirms Poland is taking most of these people on. It has to be said that adaptation for Ukrainians is easier by a factor in Poland than in western countries both due to the culture and language, even if they’re not as close as people in the West think, I presume.
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Alchenar posted:e: I presume one of the many people in this thread who actually speaks Russian will tell me how badly I've lept to conclusions after pulling one word out of that entire intercept. You have leapt far ahead indeed. It's a calm conversation, and the supposed acting commander, I guess, says that the head of the column "got ambushed by artillery, tanks, and drones, Bayraktars I think".
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Things are going strange here. My Russian wife has been called a fascist the other day for buying a Russian made handbag. Meanwhile a Hungarian and an Ukrainian dude got into a fistfight at a gas station, because the Hungarian painted a white Z on his car. People are stupid.
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Alchenar posted:Well I heard the world Bayraktar at the end. They lose four tanks, the TB2 carries 4 missiles and the tanks hit are mostly in the middle of the group, suggesting they could more easily have been hit from the sky. The first hit on the road was maybe the trigger as to why the spaced out convoy groups up in the relative cover of the village, then the second tank that got hit was probably the commanders or something because they had persons walking around it that looked to have been asking around in the village. Then the third and fourth tank got lit up and the whole convoy just turned heel and left. Zudgemud fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Mar 10, 2022 |
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gay picnic defence posted:Aren't Kiev and Odessa reasonably popular holiday destinations? Yep it started with Romania and Bulgaria and then Ukraine and now the bougies are even hitting Albania and Tirana over the summer. At least one colleague had to cancel his Kiev vacation this year (which is certainly a reasonable course of action).
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Ukrainian dude got into a fistfight at a gas station, because the Hungarian painted a white Z on his car.  that's quite a bold move in Europe outside Russia. I imagine that would be the surest way to get every window of your car smashed in.
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uncleTomOfFinland posted:
OMG, you're right! *goes to paint a white Z on the Head of HR's car*
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uncleTomOfFinland posted:
This is Hungary, dude is probably going to get a medal.
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Serious question - how long until there's a major rout or mass surrender? Seems like Russian morale is hosed and they are getting outgunned and possibly outnumbered in some areas.
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Payndz posted:Watched a video the other day that detailed (well enough, to my reading) Putin's motivations and objectives in invading Ukraine, and one was to restore a major water supply to Crimea that after its annexation the Ukrainians had, entirely reasonably, dammed up. I'm curious if the Russians have destroyed the dam yet - anyone know? SpiritOfLenin posted:I think they destroyed or captured it pretty early on The initial claim, from February 24, was fake and showed an entirely different dam (there was an explosion photo for a sandbag barricade made by farmers in like 2014). As of March 4, however, we have photos of water flowing through the channel towards Crimea, so the supply has indeed been restored.
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With the reports of the Russian generals being fired for not correctly following the invasion plans - do we even know if these are the generals that sent troops in to get stuck in traffic jams? Or were those the ones following the plan and the guys who got fired are the ones who realised the plan was a mess and held their forces back?
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https://twitter.com/antontroian/status/1501864565868535815 *In idiot american politics opinions guy voice*: ukrainians should negotiate with these good faith folks who just have some security concerns about NATO on their borders and surrender since the west isn't going to do anything
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Chalks posted:With the reports of the Russian generals being fired for not correctly following the invasion plans - do we even know if these are the generals that sent troops in to get stuck in traffic jams? Or were those the ones following the plan and the guys who got fired are the ones who realised the plan was a mess and held their forces back? This is most certainly classified information that the public would get through leaks and most certainly not soon, if ever
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:Things are going strange here. My Russian wife has been called a fascist the other day for buying a Russian made handbag. We’re about to literally put to court trial people with zwastika on their cars. Which is good, if you ask me. General xenophobia against local Russian speakers is on the rise here too, unfortunately but predictably.
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Hot take: one of the problems of training your army around a very limited number of tactical maneuvers and not particularly incentivising low level initiative is that operational planning is very effective, but when things start to go wrong or your troops encounter a scenario that's not in the rulebook then things go very wrong very quickly and you have to escalate quite highly to fix the problem.
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Chalks posted:With the reports of the Russian generals being fired for not correctly following the invasion plans - do we even know if these are the generals that sent troops in to get stuck in traffic jams? Or were those the ones following the plan and the guys who got fired are the ones who realised the plan was a mess and held their forces back? There’s literally no confirmation that they’ve been fired, or that anyone at all has been fired.
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Alchenar posted:Hot take: one of the problems of training your army around a very limited number of tactical maneuvers and not particularly incentivising low level initiative is that operational planning is very effective, but when things start to go wrong or your troops encounter a scenario that's not in the rulebook then things go very wrong very quickly and you have to escalate quite highly to fix the problem. I think the problem is almost worse, it's like they can't coordinate any combination of infantry, armor, artillery and air power at any level when that's been the crux of modern warfare since... late WWI. It's just shelling here, tanks there, bomb random place away from everyone else, infantry stay in their APC by themselves and get roasted by RPGs. Unsupported airborne drops closer to enemy reserves than your own axis of attack all die alone. Bigger and newer air force somehow can't control the airspace or even seem to have much impact in general. Ukraine isn't coasting to a win like the memes make it look like, they are in an incredibly dangerous position, but the Russian military just seems real bad at real war at every level.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Yep it started with Romania and Bulgaria and then Ukraine and now the bougies are even hitting Albania and Tirana over the summer. At least one colleague had to cancel his Kiev vacation this year (which is certainly a reasonable course of action). bougies? There is a reason those places are seeing more tourists, it is affordable for the everyday European working man and his family. Not to mention popular places in Western Europe are just swamped with tourists during the high season.
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This bit from Alexander Nevzorov a year ago is eerily prescient, the image of someone pretending to be a piano virtuoso and everyone buying into it until an actual piano is put under his fingers is striking. https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/taood7/uncanny_predictions_of_ukraines_war_from_april/
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Chalks posted:With the reports of the Russian generals being fired for not correctly following the invasion plans - do we even know if these are the generals that sent troops in to get stuck in traffic jams? Or were those the ones following the plan and the guys who got fired are the ones who realised the plan was a mess and held their forces back? Considering that they declared an investigation into who allowed conscripts to be deployed to Ukraine, it seems pretty likely that the guys who failed the expectations of their superios will be nailed to the wall with this particular charge. So I'd wager we will find out the names but the public reason for their ousting will be different from reality.
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Dick Ripple posted:bougies? There is a reason those places are seeing more tourists, it is affordable for the everyday European working man and his family. Not to mention popular places in Western Europe are just swamped with tourists during the high season. Sorry, its just that all the ones I know who have traveled to those countries are lower-upper-middle class families who want to travel somewhere different. But it being cheap is probably an incentive too for them. You are probably right that for every one of those there are many more for whom its just makes economic sense.
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sean10mm posted:I think the problem is almost worse, it's like they can't coordinate any combination of infantry, armor, artillery and air power at any level when that's been the crux of modern warfare since... late WWI. It's just shelling here, tanks there, bomb random place away from everyone else, infantry stay in their APC by themselves and get roasted by RPGs. Unsupported airborne drops closer to enemy reserves than your own axis of attack all die alone. Bigger and newer air force somehow can't control the airspace or even seem to have much impact in general. And even if they do win, the human and material costs are going to be unfathomable.
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CeeJee posted:This bit from Alexander Nevzorov a year ago is eerily prescient, the image of someone pretending to be a piano virtuoso and everyone buying into it until an actual piano is put under his fingers is striking. He is spot on everything.. the ending sounds just a little but iffy though  Amazing foresight
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CeeJee posted:This bit from Alexander Nevzorov a year ago is eerily prescient, the image of someone pretending to be a piano virtuoso and everyone buying into it until an actual piano is put under his fingers is striking. It is morbidly hillarious that inside Russia the cranks and angry theatrical weirdos like Nevzorov (a fascinating person, really, and, notably, a veteran ex-propagandist) were right and every fence-sitting liberal is now literally out of job.
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Somaen posted:https://twitter.com/antontroian/status/1501864565868535815 What the gently caress do they expect to gain from dribbling so much bullshit? Do they even believe it themselves?
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CeeJee posted:This bit from Alexander Nevzorov a year ago is eerily prescient, the image of someone pretending to be a piano virtuoso and everyone buying into it until an actual piano is put under his fingers is striking. He had me in the first half, not gonna lie.
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Alchenar posted:Propaganda, but will be interesting to see if more neutral sources pick this up and see if it has legs: Seems like bullshit to me. It's not like there's any scenario where Russia cedes Crimea, right? Isn't it like the lowest hanging fruit of all possible Ukrainian concessions in a negotiated settlement with Russia?
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gay picnic defence posted:What the gently caress do they expect to gain from dribbling so much bullshit? Do they even believe it themselves? going by other tweets, quote:"Then he added: “I went through the Afghan war... And I wish all men to go through it. A man is defined by deeds, not words. And if I wear a candibober on my head, this does not mean that I am a woman or a ballerina." So this appears to be the equivalent of him saying "you have yet to even see our real power" / "you haven't even unlocked our final form" basically
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TheRat posted:He had me in the first half, not gonna lie. Yeah, it's the point where he goes from talking about the current situation to making wild predictions about what the consequences will be where it goes a bit wild. He clearly had an extremely good idea about the state of the Russian military and their approach to this war.
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PerilPastry posted:Seems like bullshit to me. It's not like there's any scenario where Russia cedes Crimea, right? Isn't it like the lowest hanging fruit of all possible Ukrainian concessions in a negotiated settlement with Russia? I bet if you could map home sales to senior officials and their families across Russia you'd see much of the same thing. If you're wealthy and can see through the propaganda your family is going to be trying to get out.
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Chalks posted:I bet if you could map home sales to senior officials and their families across Russia you'd see much of the same thing. If you're wealthy and can see through the propaganda your family is going to be trying to get out. Possibly, but that just looks like someone did a google maps search for "apartments crimea" and posted the results.
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steinrokkan posted:Agreed, the European Broadcasting Union is the map of REAL Europe. This should be made into a ¡Jeb! meme but with Ursula von der Leyen laughing instead
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:
I think punching Nazis is good and cool
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PerilPastry posted:Seems like bullshit to me. It's not like there's any scenario where Russia cedes Crimea, right? Isn't it like the lowest hanging fruit of all possible Ukrainian concessions in a negotiated settlement with Russia? I guess if Russia keeps suiciding its army into Ukraine it's theoretically possible that they lose it all, then get driven back out of Ukraine, and that the Ukrainian army then pushes them out of the Donbas en Crimea as well.
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Chalks posted:I bet if you could map home sales to senior officials and their families across Russia you'd see much of the same thing. If you're wealthy and can see through the propaganda your family is going to be trying to get out. Oh for sure! There are a ton of anecdotal reports about exactly that, which makes zeroing in on the Crimea kinda weird imo.
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Who the hell is buying apartments in Crimea right now? I know it's not an artillery hotspot right this minute, but you'd need both an appetite for financial risk and a non-rouble denominated source of financing for that to make sense, surely
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