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cruft posted:I'm trying so hard to only lurk, but I have to ask if this sort of thing is normal. Like, I get everybody's pushing their own narrative, but abandoning a $20mil missile battery seems to indicate a serious problem in Russia's army. But I write software for a living so I have no idea what's normal. And you're welcome to post here. We're a pretty welcoming bunch of brokebrains.
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karoshi posted:I've been meaning to look at the geography of ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Ukraine): Is it me, or have the maps been almost the same since this thing began? In other words, for Russia, they're not advancing and it's a stalemate at best and the clusterfuck we all know it is at worst?
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Mar 10, 2022 19:14
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:No. Nothing about any of this is normal. Someone dig up the idiot's thread story of the chain of events that ended with two helicopters tragically colliding, searching for a pistol, I think it was. Abandoning tanks or whatever? Nope.
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Mar 10, 2022 19:16
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CBJSprague24 posted:Is it me, or have the maps been almost the same since this thing began? They're encircling Kyiv! i say for the thousandth time as i slowly turn into a corncob.
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KitConstantine posted:(Popping in, I usually lurk this thread bc I'm a civilian) Ukraine had six before the beginning of this round of hostilities; Russia had something like 172.
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Half of Kyiv's population has bailed, holy gently caress Having most non-combatants/wounded out of the way makes a defence much easier to work with and we are also again back to logistics (food, water, ammo & amenities). The fight goes on.
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Mar 10, 2022 19:32
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Mr. Nice! posted:They're encircling Kyiv! i say for the thousandth time as i slowly turn into a corncob. They are certainly trying. Its not gone well.
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CommieGIR posted:What is normal, even? Relative. So while maintenance and logistics are relative to us, expired MREs, no fuel and tires so old they eat themselves are apparently normal to the Russians.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Relative. What is normal to the spider is chaos to the fly. - Morticia Addams
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cruft posted:I'm trying so hard to only lurk, but I have to ask if this sort of thing is normal. Like, I get everybody's pushing their own narrative, but abandoning a $20mil missile battery seems to indicate a serious problem in Russia's army. But I write software for a living so I have no idea what's normal. A US officer once left his pistol somewhere in the desert and like hundreds of people had to go looking for it and a helicopter crashed and killed people. So yea, it's really weird seeing whole rear end vehicles just abandoned.
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CainFortea posted:A US officer once left his pistol somewhere in the desert and like hundreds of people had to go looking for it and a helicopter crashed and killed people. You see, projections from this book of Russia vs NATO expects that they would take these losses. They're actually moving at lightning speed. It took the USA 30 days to take Baghdad! Russia has achieved every objective they have set out to accomplish.
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I should note I do not believe the things I am posting I am just yelling into the void after reading other people say these things.
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FrozenVent posted:Ukraine had six before the beginning of this round of hostilities; Russia had something like 172. Edited, thanks. I shouldn't post before stimulants Have some math as a thank you X-post. The Russians are finally realizing that their logistics look like poo poo and are embarrassing. All that would look real bad if it got back to the home crowd. Brainwave! Propoganda videos! But why film two, no time use the same one for both no one will notice https://twitter.com/SlickRockWeb/status/1501952198061613072?t=S04VwU7_wl-xJQVnkwCFNA&s=19 Lol Also, 6 tons of food per day sounds like a lot. But assuming no losses that's 27 grams per soldier per day. (6 metric tons divided by 200k) Assuming the US low end loss calculations are correct, and removing wounded from the total as well since they're presumably being fed at the hospital (lol) that leaves 180k. So a whopping 30 grams per soldier!! An average slice of bread is 38 grams.
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Mr. Nice! posted:You see, projections from this book of Russia vs NATO expects that they would take these losses. They're actually moving at lightning speed. It took the USA 30 days to take Baghdad! Russia has achieved every objective they have set out to accomplish. Pantslesswithwolves how are things stacking up on your projections
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KitConstantine posted:Edited, thanks. I shouldn't post before stimulants Ehhhhh...that's a guy whose Twitter claims he's a "citizen journalist" and "numbers guy." You're making an assumption that he's working off a complete set of facts, i.e. that those photos show the only logistics train carrying food. If nothing else, given the sheer size of Ukraine, I find that to be unlikely.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Ehhhhh...that's a guy whose Twitter claims he's a "citizen journalist" and "numbers guy." You're making an assumption that he's working off a complete set of facts, i.e. that those photos show the only logistics train carrying food. If nothing else, given the sheer size of Ukraine, I find that to be unlikely. The original post is the guy quoting a known Russian propogandist and the videos are from Russia Today. https://twitter.com/SlickRockWeb/status/1501949211796852742?s=20&t=7bCrCrpldYmg4eaLBQzRYA Also assuming it's one of 10 a day going all over, then based on the original assessments of force that's enough for 270 grams per soldier. A can of beans is 450 grams. Edit: original video from that Deano dude's Twitter. If you wanna know what line the Russians are pushing give his timeline a scroll https://twitter.com/DeanoBeano1/status/1501866736324419584?t=0RmyOaNNs4EcmuLS-78ZQA&s=19 KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Mar 10, 2022 |
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KitConstantine posted:The original post is the guy quoting a known Russian propogandist and the videos are from Russia Today. Thats not even a pint of vodka each!
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Anyone asking If leaving AA vehicles behind is normal: it is a sign of an absolute catastrophe. A short-range AA system like that is big, bulky and very vulnerable, and a super-high priority for the ukrainians. The operators are keenly aware of this, and require constant security and escorts. So If they get left behind like ”lol sucks to suck” by their buddies GTFOing is a very understandable reaction. The idea that the system was left behind to begin with is the bigger WTF factor, and a symptom of big enough problems that ”loss of an 20m USD asset” is either acceptable bargain for whoever is in charge of that or inevitable to have Any chsnce on completing their mission.
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KitConstantine posted:The original post is the guy quoting a known Russian propogandist and the videos are from Russia Today. Mmmmmm.... Half a can of beans for field chow.... mmmmmm....
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CBJSprague24 posted:Is it me, or have the maps been almost the same since this thing began? The people who think Russia isn't as hosed as they appear point to evidence that forward operating bases are being set up for resupply. Their position is the initial assault was expected to be easy, it wasn't, so the Russian forces have stopped in order to bring in reinforcements and set up for a longer war, then big offensives will start again. Obviously no one knows but it seems like a reasonable possibility to me, an idiot on the internet.
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I have been in clusterfuck warzones, and this is at a level that even the sub-Saharan troops I did MTT for would be saying, 'Dude that's messed up!'
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So how long before Russia starts using chemical weapons? I'm guessing not long.
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You mean until russia claims ukrainians are using chemical weapons on themselves?
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Me and all my Ukrainian buddies, just about to fire off a chemical attack when we realize the artillery is aimed backward.
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Valtonen posted:You mean until russia claims ukrainians are using chemical weapons on themselves? It’s probably technically true. Basically every country uses tear gas for police actions despite it being a banned chemical weapon in warfare. “Technically true” makes for the best kind of propaganda
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Valtonen posted:You mean until russia claims ukrainians are using chemical weapons on themselves? STOP GASSING YOURSELF! STOP GASSING YOURSELF!
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Grand Fromage posted:The people who think Russia isn't as hosed as they appear point to evidence that forward operating bases are being set up for resupply. Their position is the initial assault was expected to be easy, it wasn't, so the Russian forces have stopped in order to bring in reinforcements and set up for a longer war, then big offensives will start again. Obviously no one knows but it seems like a reasonable possibility to me, an idiot on the internet. Based on what we have seen from the Russians so far, they could be setting up FOBs simply because they happen to have some guys that do that kind of thing. I'm betting the trucks with the tents got lucky and arrived, so they started setting up. Nothing so far implies that Russia is actually making decisions based on the reality on the ground.
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Valtonen posted:You mean until russia claims ukrainians are using chemical weapons on themselves? Lol like Putin wouldn’t gas his own troops for a false flag op.
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CommieGIR posted:What is normal, even? Normal is a cycle on a washing machine.
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If this is true, expect some document dumps soon. quote:The Ukrainian Anonymous hacker group has hacked into Roskomnadzor, the Russian federal agency responsible for monitoring and censoring media, and released 360,000 files, the group announced on Twitter on Thursday. https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-700940 It might be interesting to see some of the stuff in the dump.
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ASAPI posted:Based on what we have seen from the Russians so far, they could be setting up FOBs simply because they happen to have some guys that do that kind of thing. Setting up a static encampment of unhardened buildings when your enemy has mobile artillery and armor would be peak Russia.
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Arven posted:Yep. Promising conscripts are funneled to a special NCO bootcamp but are on the same two year term as everyone else. dude didnt even serve lol biggest armchair general America ever decorated
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I get the impression that USSR army would easily beat the modern Russian army
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That Works posted:I get the impression that USSR army would easily beat the modern Russian army If you take out joint enablers entirely, it would be pretty scary for the 2022 US Army to have to fight the late 1980s US Army.
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Alan Smithee posted:dude didnt even serve lol Wait what the gently caress, was he an honorary general or something? Lmao
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mlmp08 posted:If you take out joint enablers entirely, it would be pretty scary for the 2022 US Army to have to fight the late 1980s US Army. joint enablers?
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Wait what the gently caress, was he an honorary general or something? Lmao well in the X million copies sold sense of decorated
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Mr. Nice! posted:They're encircling Kyiv! i say for the thousandth time as i slowly turn into a corncob. russians are encircling kyiv like a belt on a fat guy at an all you can eat buffet my monitor is off
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