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The 2022 G14 looks amazing but its all AMD (which isn't bad, but makes it harder to compare to the Nvidia previous models) and the MSRP is more expensive. Right now I am of the opinion it's probably not worth the upcharge but it definitely is nicer. There will be 2022 refreshes for the G15 that are also supposed to be nice but I haven't seen them in the wild yet.
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Aviron posted:Thanks a lot for the recommendations! I'll look for a Legion / G14 / G15, then. Do you know if the 2022 G14 model is good? I would like to have an integrated webcam, but I'm a bit wary of AMD GPUs... I can answer this. My first one displayed warmer on one side than the other and had backlight bleed problems. The one I got today I'm pretty sure has a pink hue to it. A+++ would buy laptops again. Like it's nice and I may say gently caress it good enough for this second one I haven't decided.
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Duck and Cover posted:I can answer this. My first one displayed warmer on one side than the other and had backlight bleed problems. The one I got today I'm pretty sure has a pink hue to it. A+++ would buy laptops again. Like it's nice and I may say gently caress it good enough for this second one I haven't decided. Seems a smidge pink (when compared to a macbook of some flavor and my Razer Stealth Book). It makes a click when the fan activates AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.
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1000 pages  Only took just shy of 9 years
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Duck and Cover posted:Seems a smidge pink (when compared to a macbook of some flavor and my Razer Stealth Book). It makes a click when the fan activates AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I dunno about the fan, the G14s are kinda loud, but have you messed around with color correction on the screen? I'm curious on general use though, how's the battery, perf, all that?
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Lockback posted:Yeah that Aero is real nice, I think that's a great fit. This showed up today and it is indeed real nice, thanks again for the help. Now to figure out what I can salvage from her old XPS...
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for lenovo laptops, how do the different product lines compare in terms of sturdiness? i'm looking for a nice sturdy laptop that will last me a while i've seen ideapads, legions, yogas, thinkbooks, and there still seems to be 1 thinkpad on the market (which i assume is the sturdiest one?), how do these compare in terms of build quality? any i should avoid?
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Shibawanko posted:for lenovo laptops, how do the different product lines compare in terms of sturdiness? i'm looking for a nice sturdy laptop that will last me a while Thinkpad is the one you want. I got the X1 Yoga it's very solid but I'm not sure the metal parts are an improvement over the more traditional construction in terms of durability, so I'd stick to one of the other models
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We issue X1 Carbons at work and they are pretty abused for white collar work. Average laptop probably spends 100 days a year away from home. Very few issues, one broke when a guy accidentally pulled it off a desk but it was just one of the hinges which was actually fairly easy to repair. If you're looking for a true tough laptop for like, field geology or manufacturing or technical service support of combine harvesters or some poo poo, they will not be up to the task. But I assume since you just said "sturdy" and didn't mention specific use cases that you are just looking for white collar sturdiness.
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I quite like the Yoga, but I can see what you're saying on the aluminum maybe not being as sturdy. I'd still call it pretty sturdy. Generally: Ideapad- Generally consumer budget. Ok, nothing special. Some of their convertibles are nice for the money, like the Flex. Thinkbook: Higher end consumer. Prettier, but probably not sturdy as a design goal. Yoga: 2-in-1 line (but there are also yoga's in other lines?). The Yoga line has lots of options including dGPUs in a convertible, which is nice. Legion: Gaming laptop, nice for a gaming laptop but probably not super sturdy. Thinkpad: Business line, the most sturdy. There's a bunch on the market, though you rarely see them sold in big box or consumer stores. There's a bunch of different lines depending on what you want to do, I can vouch for the X1 Carbons being generally good all around, though I also like the T14 lines for something smaller.
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Ty for the input I think I am gonna go for this legion 5 https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Display-Processor-Storage-82JW00BDUS/dp/B09BDGD2TZ Looks fairly close to the one linked last page (this one https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/configurator/cto/index.html?bundleId=82NWCTO1WWUS1) but with 16gb of ram and doesn't have a 2+ month ship time (I don't know if that's accurate but I don't want to wait that long).
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The 3050ti is a step below the 6600m/3060, but with what your use case is I think that Legion is a real good fit.
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Yeah it's important to know that IdeaPad and thinkbook are entirely seperate from the Thinkpad line. Thinkpad is a seperate business unit entirely as they're focused on enterprise sales and support If you need a replacement part for your 2011 T410 Thinkpad in Brazil, the local service center knows the part number and will mail it to you Consumer lines, parts are only available for 1-2 years if you're lucky
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Our devs' 32gb i7 T460p/T470p's are finally out of warranty and after trying & rejecting the i7 32gb surface laptop (for handwavey reasons so far), they're angling for an i9 XPS 15. I searched the thread and that line seems to be the only type of Dell worth buying, but is there anything I should know about the new ones apart from weird sleep behaviors? Personally I wish they'd just stick to thinkpads---there are even models they could spend ~$3k on so they don't feel inferior to the other dev team's macbook pros but that's not my call.
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I actually generally like an i7 instead of an i9 for mobiles, i9s are way more likely to get hot and suck battery. If you need the CPU then obv it's better, but if you don't I think you'd be better off with a slower laptop that has a longer batter/won't turn into a hot plate if you have a runaway process (and if anyone thinks they have an IT group that never launched some sort of update/spying/whatever process that sucked up every resource it can, I don't believe you). For dev laptops I usually find RAM and fast storage is way more important than CPU. The right answer is Macbook Pro's for a business laptop, but there are still some compatibility corners there that might be a problem. But they really are the best of all worlds.
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Depends on if it's a 12th gen i9. Those have no issues at all in a mobile envelope.
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The XPS are currently shipping with 11th gen, so I'll have to keep an eye on that. Thanks for the insight y'all!
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Lockback posted:There's a bunch of different lines depending on what you want to do, I can vouch for the X1 Carbons being generally good all around, though I also like the T14 lines for something smaller. The T14 is bigger than the 14" X1 just fyi.
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Specialist posted:they're angling for an i9 XPS 15. I searched the thread and that line seems to be the only type of Dell worth buying, but is there anything I should know about the new ones apart from weird sleep behaviors? Coming back to your laptop in the evening and finding out it's been cooking the battery for 4 hours and is now 2% is only merely annoying the first time, but after six months of that happening is absolutely enraging. I'd probably quit if a company attempted to issue me an XPS 15 at this point I literally have to shut down my XPS 15 after every time I use it, otherwise I'll come back to it later and it'll have a dead battery
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I had the same poo poo happen to my T480 as well. It's a Windows issue. Just add hibernate to your start menu and call it a day. Windows just isn't built for long standby times. Even my brand new out of box Z13 will eat 20% battery in connected standby before auto-hibernating. You want long standby times with intermittent use, buy an M1 Mac or a Chromebook.
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I never seem to run into this issue. Evem my T520 would stay in standby for a week easily without losing too much charge 
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It's a newish (2018?) cpu low power mode so windows can check email while sleeping, for feature parity with Mac, but it's poorly supported so it will seemingly randomly kick back into regular mode The problem with the Dell is that they've locked out hibernate mode at the UEFI/bios level, several times. It's accidentally been added back s couple of times but then they patch it back out the next release
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No, they locked out S3 Standby. That's very different from hibernate. Hibernate is S4 and they haven't touched that. S4 is even a component of Modern Standby. The system is supposed to enter S4 after several hours of non-use on modern standby. However, Modern Standby can frequently be easily "woken up" which resets the counter, preventing some devices from ever hitting S4. You can add hibernate to the start menu or remap the power button to hibernate without any registry fuckery or anything, it's right there in the power menu. Modern standby issues are issues on pretty much every manufacturer. The ire toward dell is the breaking of the S3 state which prevents turning off modern standby for the legacy S3 behavior. No matter the manufacturer, you have to jump through some hoops to enable S3 if supported (Lenovo has a bios sleep setting for "Linux" which actually switches things to S3 at a hardware level and disables modern standby.) Even S3 sleep can drain a bit though, so I would recommend hibernate for the most part if you are going to be intermittantly using a notebook (and you don't want to fully shut it down.) bull3964 fucked around with this message at 20:43 on Mar 9, 2022 |
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^^^ Very interesting! I never bothered looking into this modern standby situation. Lockback posted:I quite like the Yoga, but I can see what you're saying on the aluminum maybe not being as sturdy. I'd still call it pretty sturdy. Oh yeah it's "sturdy" but from my experience with phones and tablets, it's much easier to dent, scratch or scuff in a way that's pretty visible and unattractive. I've no idea how it would actually hold up to the usual drop tests and what not. PS. Posting on the 1st kilopage mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 21:47 on Mar 9, 2022 |
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Finally trading in my pos dell ultrabook at work for an M1 MBP. I tried to throw my weight around and get one like a month ago and it got me nowhere. Serves me right.
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I've been looking at a Dell Precision 3510 to play around with at home. Does anyone have any experience with this laptop?
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Bakalakadaka posted:Ty for the input I think I am gonna go for this legion 5 https://www.amazon.com/Lenovo-Display-Processor-Storage-82JW00BDUS/dp/B09BDGD2TZ Very seriously considering getting a Legion as well. Pretty much given up on the idea of getting a transformer / 2 n 1 because power to price wise, most of them can't compare to something like the Legion or the Asus G15 (which is my primary laptop ATM). Carrying around a small wacom tablet or even an ipad just seems like a necessary thing at this point. Although - TBH there are more and more awesome transformers out every day. Asus has a BUNCH of them now and then there is this crazy thing. https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/conceptd-series/conceptd7ezel Just not sure if I trust Acer's build quality but drat... cool design!!
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Rojo_Sombrero posted:I've been looking at a Dell Precision 3510 to play around with at home. Does anyone have any experience with this laptop? Dell Precisions kinda suck for what they are. I mean if its a good deal fine, but the case likes to crack (and also be creaky), the fan is loud, thermals suck. Usually they are pretty powerful though so if you need the Xeon or Quardo GPU your options are limited but I had I think the generation right before that one and I hated it.
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I can feel the speaker vibrations with my Asus Zephyrus G14 and it makes a clicky noise when the fan turns on. All laptops suck. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3981800&perpage=40&pagenumber=6#pti30. So to sum up. First one had a display temperature difference from left to right and too much backlight bleed. Second one makes a clicky noise when the fan turns on and I can feel vibrations from the speaker. Maybe if I'm lucky the third one will have the combined issues of the previous two. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Mar 10, 2022 |
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Rojo_Sombrero posted:I've been looking at a Dell Precision 3510 to play around with at home. Does anyone have any experience with this laptop? I had the 3530, which was the 8th gen version of what appears to be exactly the same chassis/build. I loved that thing. You probably want to play with undervolting the CPU. The GPU is also quite weak (mine had a Quadro P600.)
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~Coxy posted:I had the 3530, which was the 8th gen version of what appears to be exactly the same chassis/build. I loved that thing. This one is the Xeon E3-1505M and with an AMD R9 360. It's selling for 400 dollars and looked interesting.
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I like them as a souped-up Latitude. Tough and all the ports you need. That Xeon looks basically the same as the 6820. The R9 is probably better than the one I had but it's hard to find specs to compare. For 400 bones I guess it would depend what you want it for. It'd be a quite a bit out of date office laptop.
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~Coxy posted:I like them as a souped-up Latitude. Tough and all the ports you need. It would be another linux box / 3d printer slicer machine. Thought about fooling with CAD / Blender type of applications.
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bull3964 posted:Best Buy. This looks pretty cool but I don't like that an (expensive, external) gpu is needed to get the most out of the device. On the other hand, the bang for buck is pretty great and much better than a Surface Book 3 for example. Or even this thing - which I gotta say - looks pretty interesting, if not over priced. Form factor on that Acer looks REALLY cool and I *like* having a keyboard built into my laptop. The way the surface book detached is what caused almost ALL of the problems with it. The ROG Flow seems very cool and the dead pixels on this Asus G15 means I can possibly trade it in for something better. For almost a year the G15 has worked pretty drat well but the dead pixels (more dying slowly) means it could be swapped for the Flow or the Acer Ezel or maybe even the Legion.... I kinda want the Flow or Ezel because I really miss the built in tablet / Surface Book 2 experience. On the other hand, the Legion's power, price point and ports on the back make it very tempting. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/lenovo...p?skuId=6455135 What's the best transformer / 2 in 1 for digital (3d) artists? Seems like more and more are coming out daily. Also - are ALL of Best Buy's laptops under powered or just some? Seems like there are "best buy" versions of certain laptops which are underpowered but I have not idea how one figures out which are which. I would rather order from somewhere else if I am getting an underpowered machine and I wish I knew that before buying from Best Buy. I really want to see the ezel in the wild before making the choice. Seems like the Ezel would be sturdier to draw / paint on overall and more flexible. https://store.acer.com/en-us/conceptd-7-laptop-cn715-71-73a9 sigma 6 fucked around with this message at 12:58 on Mar 12, 2022 |
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quote:What's the best transformer / 2 in 1 for digital (3d) artists? Seems like more and more are coming out daily. Also - are ALL of Best Buy's laptops under powered or just some? Seems like there are "best buy" versions of certain laptops which are underpowered but I have not idea how one figures out which are which. iPad Pro and Surface Pro kinda stand alone for digital artists. Nothing else is particularly close. The Yoga's are ok but its a significant step down in terms of drawing. And there isn't really a "Best Buy version" it's just the manufacturer websites typically only list higher end configs and best buy is one of the few big box stores around that still stocks multiple configs. Just always make sure to walk down the spec sheet regardless where you get a laptop.
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Lockback posted:iPad Pro and Surface Pro kinda stand alone for digital artists. Nothing else is particularly close. The Yoga's are ok but its a significant step down in terms of drawing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGSaLK6WzMc&t=634s She complains about software but I don't think that's really an issue, there are some other good solutions she doesn't mention. The stock pen on the X1 Yoga doesn't support tilt but otherwise feels pretty good to me. There's a bit of jitter in diagonal lines but I doubt that's an issue in practive. I'm not a pro artist though so YMMV. I also vastly perfer the Yoga form factor over the tablet + floppy kebyoard case. But maybe that depends on your usage.
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Yeah, the Tab S8 series is about as good as it gets for digital drawing at this point. It doesn't have the full creative pipeline as the Apple or Windows, but for just drawing it's (in the words of my artist friend) just an absolute joy to use.
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Lockback posted:iPad Pro and Surface Pro kinda stand alone for digital artists. Nothing else is particularly close. The Yoga's are ok but its a significant step down in terms of drawing. Thank you. Been considering buying a used 2018 or 2019 ipad pro but I am not keen on any lag. People are telling me there is a lag with the ipad when connected to a PC laptop. Then realitzing that I need a secondary laptop anyways, I thought it might be good just to make the jump to a secondary machine. The surface book 2 WAS the secondary machine but it's glitching out pretty badly at this point and I am not keen to spend the 650 on refurb when I can use the money on a modern computer instead. https://support.microsoft.com/en-us...8a-a29f768d43ff Surface Book 2 - 15" = 649.00 The Samsung might be good but the point of the tablet is 3d sculpting more than digital painting. About to go to Best Buy to return the G15, so I will see what they have available. Thinking I will probably get the card refunded vs. Best Buy credit but it is tempting to get that Asus Flow or Legion today vs. getting a replacement G15. Will check out the Surface Pro because I loved my Surface Book 2 - just not sure if it has the power I want for zbrush / maya combo. Guess if I give up that idea; then the Samsung, Yoga or even Ipad Pro would make a lot more sense. Kinda wish there was something between the Flow and Ezel. The form factor of the Ezel with the newer specs of the Flow - or perhaps be ready to spend a LOT on the Quadro version of the Ezel (?) The Flow is certainly lighter and newer but is more of a tablet vs. a "transformer." Also - looking a little more closely at the Flow it looks like there is no way to upgrade to 32g of ram or more. drat. For price comparison. 1500 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-r...p?skuId=6452915 vs. Ezel.... yeesh... 3700 https://www.adorama.com/acnxc5baa002.html Actually this Ezel has older guts but it's 32 gigs and only 1800 - Hmmm.. I have never seen one of these Ezel things in person and they definitely aren't at Best Buy. Not the biggest fans of white laptops but those specs aren't shabby. It's really a question of portability vs. power I guess. https://store.acer.com/en-us/conceptd-7-laptop-cn715-71-73a9 sigma 6 fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Mar 12, 2022 |
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Whats a good laptop for GIS and gaming? Anything with a 3070 available? I'd like to start there and then see if I can finagle my budget for it
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Jinnigan posted:Whats a good laptop for GIS and gaming? Anything with a 3070 available? I'd like to start there and then see if I can finagle my budget for it Sure, but its probably better to start with a budget and go from there. This is probably what I'd get right now https://www.bestbuy.com/site/asus-r...p?skuId=6448848 That's a decent sale on a solid laptop. This is probably a better deal (Legion's are more powerful than G15 usually, though not as good battery and subjectively I think the G15 feels more solid), but I think you need to wait for ship time. But the example deal here with 32GB (which is not really useful for the vast majority of games) is a helluva deal https://slickdeals.net/f/15662614-l...teSearchV2Algo1 I see an HP for about the same price too, but I'd probably go with either of the above before that. So around $1500 for those. Going cheaper, this gigabyte is $1299, but requires a MIR, and the Gigabyte will not have as good thermals or build quality of the G15 or Legion. https://www.newegg.com/p/N82E16834233483
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