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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Wait what the gently caress, was he an honorary general or something? Lmao all I can find is honorary Yeoman Warder lmfao Patriot Games does seem like it would've been Prince Phillips kind of jam
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Grand Fromage posted:The people who think Russia isn't as hosed as they appear point to evidence that forward operating bases are being set up for resupply. Their position is the initial assault was expected to be easy, it wasn't, so the Russian forces have stopped in order to bring in reinforcements and set up for a longer war, then big offensives will start again. Obviously no one knows but it seems like a reasonable possibility to me, an idiot on the internet. I too am an idiot on the internet, and that sure seems what they're attempting to do. How well that attempt will turn out is an entirely different question, from what's emerged about the Russian army's capabilities, culture and leadership I'm finding it difficult to believe that they'll be able to turn around and pivot to this new approach and actually manage to pull it off. All the while the Ukrainians are gaining strength through western supplies and arms and are bringing forward and organising their reserve units. Also the element of surprise is quite obviously lost and force amassment and available motorways make it easy to predict along which routes the thrusts will take place, routes I'm sure the Ukrainians have presighted artillery and positioned troops with ample supply of anti-tank weaponry. My armchair take is that yes, the Russians will go on the offense again, particularly towards Kyiv, and that the Ukrainians (under the circumstances) welcome these fat, neatly arranged targets.
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Natty Ninefingers posted:joint enablers? The structures that exist to allow inter department coordination. Having the Air Force talk to Army artillery and Navy spec ops using information from NSA, in real time, is a relatively newish thing. We have gotten so good at it, we can scale it down to individuals or up to massive organisations. There was coordination in the past, before this, but it was more general in nature. It also took lots of time. Now, we can point to a building and say, "hey, does this need to blow up?" and in theory, intel verifies the target, legal signs off, the coordinates are uploaded and some kind of explosive package is enroute stupid fast.
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mlmp08 posted:Me and all my Ukrainian buddies, just about to fire off a chemical attack when we realize the artillery is aimed backward. "they are just out of frame, laughing too" -Russia
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That Works posted:I get the impression that USSR army would easily beat the modern Russian army modern Russia would just sit there letting Kirovs (reporting) slowly bomb them like the security guard from Austin Powers
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Wait what the gently caress, was he an honorary general or something? Lmao He was an insurance salesman before he wrote Hunt for Red October, lol.
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One of those AA systems left behind is worth ... 2.67 billion roubles. Hilarious.
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ASAPI posted:Now, we can point to a building and say, "hey, does this need to blow up?" and in theory, intel verifies the target, legal signs off, the coordinates are uploaded and some kind of explosive package is enroute stupid fast. By stupid fast, I think like *within an hour* of some ISIS/Syrian dude posting his position on Twitter, the USAF was dropping accurate bombs, if my memory serves me correctly.
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Roblo posted:One of those AA systems left behind is worth ... 2.67 billion roubles. Hilarious. Is that before or after it's stuck in mud?  Comrade Blyatlov posted:And you're welcome to post here. We're a pretty welcoming bunch of brokebrains. "serving isn't required to post here, but it doesn't help"
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Is it me or is this conflict actually an appropriate use case for the digital camo UCP ACUs?
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Question from someone ignorant but where are the Russian pow being shipped to most likely? Somewhere secure in the western parts, well away from the frontlines?
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Maybe, but even in RSR he wrote about how some idiot packed the *Army* version of the SA-6 and not the Naval one that was hardened against seawater corrosion, so they couldn't set up adequate AD on Iceland when they landed. As far as Clancy goes RSR is on the better end (although in no way essential) and he does allow the Soviets to get some wins before the inevitable American victory. Decent action scenes and detail, a friend who grew up in Iceland as their parents were teaching at the Air Force base there was amused that the Soviet attack is detailed enough they could figure out which of their parent's classrooms would have been destroyed and which would have survived. I think RSR did get praise after the second Gulf War when Clancy had figured out missiles and bombs would be expended faster than stockpiles could keep up, and that helicopters wouldn't have long life spans. I like how Clancy was consistent about how US aircraft carriers could be damaged to show how dangerous a situation was but not sunk, in RSR fine for the only French carrier to get taken out but the American one is afloat, and in Debt of Honor and the film version of Sum of All Fears they only get beat up but not sent below the waves.
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Laughing Zealot posted:Question from someone ignorant but where are the Russian pow being shipped to most likely? Somewhere secure in the western parts, well away from the frontlines? At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we saw satellite imagery showing the Russian POWs milling around in a cattle pen with no guards.
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ASAPI posted:At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we saw satellite imagery showing the Russian POWs milling around in a cattle pen with no guards. Yeah. I'm just thinking about how it would be in pretty much every ones best interest if they were kept somewhere in decent conditions.
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psydude posted:Setting up a static encampment of unhardened buildings when your enemy has mobile artillery and armor would be peak Russia. Isn't this basically exactly what happened to the latest batch of Chechens the other day?
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Radical 90s Wizard posted:Isn't this basically exactly what happened to the latest batch of Chechens the other day? Yup, someone recognized where they recorded their threatening video and they dropped artillery right on their encampment.
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Laughing Zealot posted:Yeah. My point is that the Russian "POWs" are mostly defectors/surrenders. They want to be in the care of the Ukrainians. They get fed. They will do whatever they are told with minimal interaction needed. I bet most of them are afraid of going back to Russia, it might be worse for soldiers that are perceived to be inadequate in some way.
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ASAPI posted:My point is that the Russian "POWs" are mostly defectors/surrenders. They want to be in the care of the Ukrainians. They get fed. They will do whatever they are told with minimal interaction needed. I bet most of them are afraid of going back to Russia, it might be worse for soldiers that are perceived to be inadequate in some way. I was thinking the Ukranians might want to house the Russian POWs in hospitals, but then I realized I had foolishly presumed Russia cared about their soldiers.
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cruft posted:I was thinking the Ukranians might want to house the Russian POWs in hospitals, but then I realized I had foolishly presumed Russia cared about their soldiers. or hospitals
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Two civilian questions: 1) There's talk about how the apparent pause of the Russian advance is to set up FOBs. As someone who isn't too up on the nitty-gritty of logistics, how would that help with their supply situation? Is it just a matter of spending time to mass supplies in place so that they're available closer up when the offensive begins? Or just giving truck drivers a chance to get some rest instead of having to drive clear from Russia to the front lines? Or just establishing a place where the supplies can actually be sorted and organized so that they're not one giant undifferentiated clump going every which way? Also, related, a while ago I ran into a document about Russian logistics and how they used a "push" system. Does this mean that supplies actually reaching the front lines depends largely on someone at the back estimating how much they'll need up front? And wouldn't this mean that even if things are going well, they'd be vulnerable to the guy at the back getting it wrong for whatever reason? 2) How much do the privates in one part of the army talk to other parts? I've been hearing consistent talk about low morale, surrenders, and desertions, but it doesn't seem like this is leading to outright collapse so far. I'm wondering - can it? Does a private in a war zone get much access to information or communication with someone in another company, or another battalion, or another division, or another front? Like, would someone on the Crimean front hear anything about how things are going on the Kyiv front, or are morale issues going to largely be localized based on things going real poo poo for your specific dudes without reference to anyone or anywhere else?
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This has been such a debacle of mind bending proportions that the usual metrics used to evaluate and answer your questions may be totally useless. Like, if they're stalled out on advancing and need to establish command and control and 'base' of operations to stage out/dig in for a continued offensive then yeah, you want a FOB, sure. But then there's like, everything else that has happened up to this point so ???
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If you're engaged in active combat, you'll burn through stores really quickly. It makes sense to build a stockpile before the assault instead of everyone relying on just the fuel and ammunition they've still got on them.
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Also having the security to be able to drive fuel and food delivery up to the FOB is important and we don't even know if that's available.
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And for the second q, no, but... Ie: most soldiers in active combat operations would not get much of anything from other soldiers they can't see with their own two eyes and for a multitude of different reasons that isolate them from the outside world, maybe rumors through people in signals/logistics, But this is 2022 and the armed forces of the russian federation is a full on shitshow more than ever, bordering on mad house ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Mar 10, 2022 |
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So there is a lot of info about the Russian Army's actions ever since this started, has there been any info on their SF units? I figured we would have heard by now about Spetsnaz war-crimeing it up or being after high profile targets. I think Zelensky has had 3 attempts on his life so far, but nothing (I read anyway) described the what or who. I guess I was expecting some high profile raids/assassinations but maybe Russia uses them differently than we do our SF units. Then again the phrase SF gets tossed around a lot for propaganda purposes.Tomn posted:Two civilian questions: (Just my opinions) 1. To answer that we would have to know what the gently caress Russia even wants to do here. Do they want to occupy Ukraine? Install a puppet government and bounce? It sounded like they thought fighting would be over by now, or soon anyway. It could help with supply for future actions but setting up a FOB would be supply nightmare anyway. If they have something like HESCOs (giant empty walls you fill with sand) where are the vehicles to work that? Where is the wire? Are we digging tank ditches? (note: after reading this, I only went to Afghanistan, setting up a FOB in an urban environment is kind of new to me lol, maybe an Iraq vet could describe them) 2. With cell phones the Joe News Network could survive. I doubt they are being given reliable updates, you don't spread any information (officially) on anything that could lower morale. If the LT knows the mission is bullshit he isn't, or shouldn't anyway, tell the privates that.
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Tomn posted:Two civilian questions: In this kind of war, extending deep into enemy territory, you'd definitely need to set up logistics depots closer to the front lines, but this presumes your MSRs are secured for the supply convoys. So far, this hasn't been the case. One of the problems is that the Russians haven't managed to cut off major pockets of the UKA, which are able to conduct hit and run ambushes of supply convoys along these routes. quote:Also, related, a while ago I ran into a document about Russian logistics and how they used a "push" system. Does this mean that supplies actually reaching the front lines depends largely on someone at the back estimating how much they'll need up front? And wouldn't this mean that even if things are going well, they'd be vulnerable to the guy at the back getting it wrong for whatever reason? Seems like a very Russian thing to do. US doctrine has logistics managers embedded at the company level and every echelon on up, coordinating with dedicated logistics commands (division equivalent) that coordinate everything from transportation to force sustainment. Supply levels are reported constantly to allow for proper forecasting and planning. It's also fully integrated into the operations planning process, rather than being an afterthought.
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FOBs in Iraq were popular targets for mortar attack. Against an enemy with armed drones, any fuel depot quickly turns into a juicy target.
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Hyrax Attack! posted:As far as Clancy goes RSR is on the better end (although in no way essential) and he does allow the Soviets to get some wins before the inevitable American victory. Decent action scenes and detail, a friend who grew up in Iceland as their parents were teaching at the Air Force base there was amused that the Soviet attack is detailed enough they could figure out which of their parent's classrooms would have been destroyed and which would have survived. The fun fact that people like to bring up about Clancy is that when he wrote Hunt for the Red October, he did extensive research using only unclassified, open-source knowledge, but he did it so well and made accurate assumptions when he needed to that he was still investigated by counter-intelligence agents.
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ASAPI posted:At this point I wouldn't be surprised if we saw satellite imagery showing the Russian POWs milling around in a cattle pen with no guards. Could probably toss most of them in any empty barracks or unused hotel and as long as you feed them, keep the heat running, and give them cigarettes they're not going to disappear. Mr. Nice! posted:You see, projections from this book of Russia vs NATO expects that they would take these losses. They're actually moving at lightning speed. It took the USA 30 days to take Baghdad! Russia has achieved every objective they have set out to accomplish. I'm personally fairly bearish* on ukraine's ability to actually close the gaps in russia's various advantages (at least not as fast as they need to to avoid just having half of the country turned into rubble), but yeah it's just batshit optimistic and assuming literally everything is going as planned and it's even vastly more optimistic about russian performance than even russia's pro-war natsec blob's own self-assessment of their performance. On the plus side, it goes well with https://waronfakes.com/ to really complete the opposite-word vibe. *was bearish, but even as someone who takes it as axiomatic that most ukranian successes are being overstated and amplified and haven't-I-literally-seen-that-blown-up-convoy-posted-3-days-in-a-row? person, yeah there is just zero way to ascribe any momentum to the Russian pushes in northern ukraine and even to the Russians the narrative is now 'how the hell did this fall apart so badly' Herstory Begins Now fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Mar 10, 2022 |
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KitConstantine posted:Also, 6 tons of food per day sounds like a lot. But assuming no losses that's 27 grams per soldier per day. (6 metric tons divided by 200k) Russian logistics planners have taken into account Ukrainian chicken coops. It will be fine.
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https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-march-10quote:The likelihood is increasing that Ukrainian forces could fight to a standstill the Russian ground forces attempting to encircle and take Kyiv. Russian forces also appear to be largely stalemated around Kharkiv and distracted from efforts to seize that city. Russian advances in the south around Mykolayiv and toward Zaporizhya and in the east around Donetsk and Luhansk made little progress as well in the last 24 hours. Russia likely retains much greater combat power in the south and east and will probably renew more effective offensive operations in the coming days, but the effective reach and speed of such operations is questionable given the general performance of the Russian military to date. There are as yet no indications that the Russian military is reorganizing, reforming, learning lessons, or taking other measures that would lead to a sudden change in the pace or success of its operations, although the numerical disparities between Russia and Ukraine leave open the possibility that Moscow will be able to restore rapid mobility or effective urban warfare to the battlefield. Lol. Imagine Ukraine seizing that entire convoy's worth of equipment.
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One supply thing I didn't know about is the Russian army has field pipeline builders so they can bring fuel to the front without needing to use vehicle convoys. Theoretically.
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Grand Fromage posted:One supply thing I didn't know about is the Russian army has field pipeline builders so they can bring fuel to the front without needing to use vehicle convoys. Theoretically. Those sound like juicy targets
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Natty Ninefingers posted:joint enablers? The doctors that fix your bad knees after rucking 100000000000000000000 miles.
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mlmp08 posted:Mariupol being cut off with with thousands of civilians on the ground is already just abysmal for civilians. Russia isn’t careful with artillery and bombing anyway, and there’s video available of UKR vehicles and AT teams inside apartment complexes and occupying roofs of apartments and public goods stores. *armies arn't careful with artillery and bombing
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Saukkis posted:Russian logistics planners have taken into account Ukrainian chicken coops. It will be fine. comrades we have achieved a coop in ukraine at last!
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GD_American posted:If ATGMs aren’t the hardline but MiG-29s are, what about old M1s or Challengers? Paladins? Predators? Assuming there's a bunch of Ukrainian troops that can jump into an M1 and fight I guess?
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Grand Fromage posted:One supply thing I didn't know about is the Russian army has field pipeline builders so they can bring fuel to the front without needing to use vehicle convoys. Theoretically. Theoretically doing a lot of heavy lifting
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