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re Disco's latest episode why is this story so drawn out, it's been taking forever to even get to the aliens and we haven't even seen them? It's been stretched out so much we've had multiple double crosses between Book and Tarka and the Discovery crew, like this started four episodes ago these aliens aren't interesting enough to warrant this amount of attention. Could have been a two parter at best and not a very good one
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I never would have imagined that the idea that there's something wrong with Q would be interesting, but De Lancie is so good that it avoided the stupid that it could've been. The idea that Q can get sick or start losing his mind or whatever they're hinting at is creepy.
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Mar 11, 2022 09:12
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Zesty posted:Forgiveness for what? Did I miss something or is that a season long mystery? Blowing up the Stargazer and killing the Legion Borg Queen. The whole thing was coded in giant blinking neon lights with THIS IS NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU ARE MAKING A MISTAKE HERE. The point of Mr. Q’s Wild Ride this season is convincing Picard to undo that fucky wucky and spare the Borg the next time around. nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 09:16 on Mar 11, 2022 |
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Mar 11, 2022 09:14
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WHY DOES STARFLEET SECURITY HAVE NINJA STARS 
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Mar 11, 2022 09:33
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Mirror Future Okinawa looks suspiciously like Modern Day Hong Kong They didn't even try to hide it, Wing On logo on one of the skyscrapers still there
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Mar 11, 2022 09:36
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So nobody's bothered that we've killed every other civilization the show's talked about but somehow are still at war with the vulcans? I dunno, the story still seems messy and too convenient to me. Ramadu posted:WHY DOES STARFLEET SECURITY HAVE NINJA STARS It's their comm badge I mean it's still silly, but yea
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Taear posted:So nobody's bothered that we've killed every other civilization the show's talked about but somehow are still at war with the vulcans? ok sure that makes sense BUT he threw it like a ninja star. the rules are clear
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Mar 11, 2022 09:54
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Kill All Cops posted:Mirror Future Okinawa looks suspiciously like Modern Day Hong Kong terrorist attacks and fascist police gunning down rebels in the streets of Hong Kong would be too on the nose
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Taear posted:So nobody's bothered that we've killed every other civilization the show's talked about but somehow are still at war with the vulcans? I think they said it was an uprising. The Confederation clearly takes slaves, prisoners, and vassal states out of its conquered foes. It sounds like the Vulcans routinely rebel and are easily quelled, but hard to exterminate completely. Confederate Picard killed Sarek on Vulcan in front of a whole crowd of onlookers including nine-gear crow fucked around with this message at 10:34 on Mar 11, 2022 |
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Mar 11, 2022 10:21
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nine-gear crow posted:I think they said it was an uprising. The Confederation clearly takes slaves, prisoners, and vassal states out of its conquered foes. It sounds like the Vulcans routinely rebel and are easily quelled, but hard to exterminate completely. Confederate Picard killed Sarek on Vulcan in front of a whole crowd of onlookers including SURELY if they've exterminated the borg they can exterminate the Vulcans pretty easily? Unless it's just humans on there uprising
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Looks like Earth itself is in a state of constant rebellion, their genocidal actions probably got a lot of attention just like the Borg. Also confirmed O'Brien and Yar are still around annihilating everyone else in murder campaigns
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Mar 11, 2022 11:20
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nine-gear crow posted:Blowing up the Stargazer and killing the Legion Borg Queen. The whole thing was coded in giant blinking neon lights with THIS IS NOT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE, YOU ARE MAKING A MISTAKE HERE. The point of Mr. Q’s Wild Ride this season is convincing Picard to undo that fucky wucky and spare the Borg the next time around. Yeah, everything in that sequence seemed, obviously knowing it's a star trek show, that the borg queen in that circumstance was likely being literal about needing power, hence the whole thing about starting negotiations 'now'.
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On the other hand given the character's knowledge 'the queen is stunning everyone not killing them' is not a good thing because we all know what the Borg do with live captives. It's coded for the audience but Picard is absolutely right to blow up the ship.
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Alchenar posted:It's coded for the audience but Picard is absolutely right to blow up the drat ship.
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I mean it was good that the show acknowledged that Picard has been through the events and character growth of First Contact. No loving about, the situation is out of control so you don't hesitate to blow up the ship. It would have been retreading ground Star Trek has done before but it might have been interesting to see Elnor do the modern Kobyashi Maru in E1 and then have the borg appear in E2 and reveal that this is Picard's real life solution. That's not the story they are telling though.
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Panzeh posted:Yeah, everything in that sequence seemed, obviously knowing it's a star trek show, that the borg queen in that circumstance was likely being literal about needing power, hence the whole thing about starting negotiations 'now'. I also don't understand the motivation of that Legion Borg Queen. Are we to think that she is really so stupid not to understand how the Federation will interpret her actions? I get that they are doing the whole "she isn't really bad thing even if she does something that looks really bad" trope but that isn't really an excuse. By now the Borg are so familiar with humans that this just feels a bit too contrived. They even went as far as not just the Queen being threatening but her taking over the whole fleet. How could you NOT see this as real threat? If the reaction of Picard to that is really the "sin" that Q mentions this would be ridiculous, especially considering that Q used the Borg in the past to scare Picard/humanity. So I'm still very sceptical that this whole thing won't fall apart just like S1. Btw I also didn't buy the "something is wrong with Q" angle. This feels like retconning Q or have we forgotten how he acted in the past? There really was nothing unusual about Q's behaviour, it's just Picard saying so and the audience having to accept that but what is the basis for Picard's read on Q? I'm sure they will explore it in future episodes and retroactively justify Picard's opinion but that doesn't mean it was actually justified by the interactions of the characters.
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Someone upthread mentioned there's a couple of points where DeLancie absolutely nails the "elderly dementia-sufferer" look/reaction after he hits Picard, and my wife pointed out the exact same thing during that scene. I think it's being telegraphed pretty hard, tbh.
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Snow Cone Capone posted:Someone upthread mentioned there's a couple of points where DeLancie absolutely nails the "elderly dementia-sufferer" look/reaction after he hits Picard, and my wife pointed out the exact same thing during that scene. I think it's being telegraphed pretty hard, tbh. Also in the Ready Room aftershow interview he did with Wil Wheaton, DeLancie and Wheaton both said several times during it “So something is clearly wrong with Q, but we can’t tell you what it is yet, wink wink”.
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Ramadu posted:A SAFE GALAXY IS A HUMAN GALAXY  Picard S2E2 was a quarter of a two-parter, stretched into a full episode's runtime. Hopefully it moves the plot faster and will be a good two-parter.
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LinkesAuge posted:
It's pretty obvious there's something wrong with Q, he made the wrong sound when he used his powers to age himself up  .I was going to say that with the mention of Sisko and 2024, that it seemed like Q finally got his revenge on Sisko for punching him by murdering him when he was posing as Bell but then I remembered that the Bell Riot happened in San Franciso not LA.
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Grand Fromage posted:I never would have imagined that the idea that there's something wrong with Q would be interesting, but De Lancie is so good that it avoided the stupid that it could've been. The idea that Q can get sick or start losing his mind or whatever they're hinting at is creepy. It's the other side of Loki right? Loki is on a reluctant journey of self discovery to find out he is a poo poo person and maybe that's why nobody likes him. No imagine if a trickster god lost his sense of sanity and weird morality. Not through any fault of his own (maybe) but because he is just losing his mind slowly. Ramadu posted:
Autocratic regime love improbably tacticool weapons.
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It's a shame that's the uniform design they went with for the Confederacy, because it looks like it would've been a great evolution of the First Contact/DS9 uniforms.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:It's a shame that's the uniform design they went with for the Confederacy, because it looks like it would've been a great evolution of the First Contact/DS9 uniforms. Not the neck pieces though
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Erulisse posted:Not the neck pieces though 
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Erulisse posted:Not the neck pieces though Based on what happened in this episode they probably should have included gorgets.
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And why do they call them gorgets when the point is NOT to get gored!?
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I'm fine with the Q going crazy angle, he clearly loses his composure multiple times in front of Picard, there is a sinister side to him but also something desperate in what he's saying. Picard has had enough encounters with him that he would tell something is off, Q has always had a cruel streak but never really angry unless he's been bested. The face slap was great, and I'd like to think the bloody nose was an old rear end callback to his line in "Q, Who?", I like that even when Q is trying to help he can't help but mock humanity and it's inferiority. I also can't help feel there's some meta commentary from Q of how violent and dark NuTrek is and especially him tearing apart Picard for how dumb he's gotten since the TV show but that's just my own interpretation. So far two episodes in it's good, but I can't believe this show has gotten so much good will so far from the same writing team, did they plagiarize someone?
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The "you know what you've done" and then Picard looking down in shame suggested that this is absolutely about the Legion Borg in episode 1 having been sincere, and if Q is terminally ill, it's probably that Q's dementia is causing him to want to cut to the chase to be sure that Picard reforms the way that Q wants him to before he succumbs to the illness
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Has anyone pointed out that the Confederation is not at all a confederate style of government?
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Tiberius Christ posted:re Disco's latest episode why is this story so drawn out, it's been taking forever to even get to the aliens and we haven't even seen them? It's been stretched out so much we've had multiple double crosses between Book and Tarka and the Discovery crew, like this started four episodes ago these aliens aren't interesting enough to warrant this amount of attention. Could have been a two parter at best and not a very good one Modern prestige-chasing writing is like in college when you'd desperately pad out your papers in every way possible except actually producing content about the topic at hand because that's like, actual work. Picard's the same way, so far in two episodes they've reached about the second commercial break of a normal episode's worth of content in a show that actually cared about getting you to the good stuff in an engaging manner. I watched TNG's "Parallels" after that and it was so easy to imagine that episode becoming an entire season of today's Star Trek: Worf I couldn't stop laughing.
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SpartanIvy posted:Has anyone pointed out that the Confederation is not at all a confederate style of government? I dunno, they seemed pretty racist.
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The sole value of season 1 was rebuilding an ensemble cast to support Picard. Since he wasn't a starship captain, his team didn't have jobs and set positions baked in but now they do. Rios is Riker Raffi is Troi (but can fight) Seven is Worf Elnore is Wesley (but can fight) Jurati is also there. Also, lmao Helmsman, report: Are we having fun yet?!
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Why was Raffi seemingly unaware of who Q is when Elnor knew of him, and Mariner knew him in LD?
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Nichael posted:Why was Raffi seemingly unaware of who Q is when Elnor knew of him, and Mariner knew him in LD?
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Because the show needs a character who isn’t already familiar with Q so the show can briefly explain who he is to the hypothetical viewer who doesn’t remember him from TNG or has never watched TNG.
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Kill All Cops posted:Mirror Future Okinawa looks suspiciously like Modern Day Hong Kong It's a nitpick but it is bizarre. Why not just put it in Hong Kong? There wasn't anything Japanese about the scene, no reason for it to be Okinawa or if you insist on Okinawa, use a shot of a Japanese city, they have those. Welcome to our scene taking place in glorious Berlin! (b-roll of Manhattan)
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Q has always leaned against the fourth wall ("You were more fun before the beard."), but him saying "yesterday's Enterprise" was SO loving JARRING.
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Maybe it's the same reason that 24th Century France is full of British people.
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CPColin posted:Q has always leaned against the fourth wall ("You were more fun before the beard."), but him saying "yesterday's Enterprise" was SO loving JARRING. Jarring dialog? 
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McSpanky posted:Modern prestige-chasing writing is like in college when you'd desperately pad out your papers in every way possible except actually producing content about the topic at hand because that's like, actual work. Picard's the same way, so far in two episodes they've reached about the second commercial break of a normal episode's worth of content in a show that actually cared about getting you to the good stuff in an engaging manner. Yeah, stretching out premises that would be good for a good two-parter over a 10-episode season is very modern TV. I could see how the time spanning adventure could fit into two 45-minute eps with some judicious cuts- most of episode 1 is fairly worthless, for example.
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