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Chris James 2 posted:This is maybe the least likely result left now yeah that ain't happening Docjowles posted:Prepare yourselves for maybe one oblique mention of “facing some questions during the off-season” on his first national broadcast back and then never hearing about it again. Goondolonces to whoever ends up with this shitheel on their team. mmhmm. 'off the field stuff.' 'vindicated in the legal system'
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Reminder that grand juries can indict a ham sandwich. If Watson was not indicted, it’s because the prosecutor did not want him to. For example, the trump loving republican prosecutor did not tell the Breonna Taylor grand jury that they could really charge the cops with murdering her. Multiple members of the grand jury have came out and said “we didn’t know we could charge them because he never told us we could.”
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Mar 12, 2022 12:33
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Mr. Nice! posted:Reminder that grand juries can indict a ham sandwich. If Watson was not indicted, it’s because the prosecutor did not want him to. Our justice system is awful.
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Mar 12, 2022 13:58
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syzpid posted:Our justice system is awful. There is no justice in the American criminal legal system.
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Mar 12, 2022 14:40
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Justice in the American criminal system can be had. It just costs  .
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Mar 12, 2022 15:46
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This was a texas grand jury right? Shouldn't there be a federal case for the women he brought across state lines for the purpose of sexually assaulting / soliciting for sexual services?
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Mar 12, 2022 17:52
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Grip it and rip it posted:This was a texas grand jury right? Shouldn't there be a federal case for the women he brought across state lines for the purpose of sexually assaulting / soliciting for sexual services? Supposedly the FBI was been sniffing around since the cops got involved. Whether anything comes of it well he's still a rich man in america
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Mar 12, 2022 17:55
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gently caress the justice system and gently caress Watson
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Mar 12, 2022 18:08
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I do not like this outcome. He’s gonna settle and be starting for Tampa Bay isn’t he.
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Mar 13, 2022 00:29
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I'd be happy to take just about anything for him but there's no way Tampa can compete with any of the other rumored suitors
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Mar 13, 2022 03:34
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Mr. Nice! posted:Reminder that grand juries can indict a ham sandwich. If Watson was not indicted, it’s because the prosecutor did not want him to. What does the first paragraph mean in terms of actual procedure? Is the bar so low for advancing indictments that prosecutors can basically do so at will?
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Mar 13, 2022 08:04
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Ornery and Hornery posted:What does the first paragraph mean in terms of actual procedure? Is the bar so low for advancing indictments that prosecutors can basically do so at will? Correct. If a prosecutor wants an indictment, they can get it. Grand juries are secret, people are instructed to follow the law as described by the prosecutor, and only the prosecution presents a case. They are an extremely biased process. With no indictment, that means the prosecutor didn’t care to indict OR there was zero credible evidence to indict. Considering there were 10 or so criminal complaints, I lean toward the former.
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Mar 13, 2022 12:47
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Mr. Nice! posted:Correct. If a prosecutor wants an indictment, they can get it. I also saw a tweet about only one witness being called into the grand jury, which tells me that they didn't exactly try too hard there
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Mar 13, 2022 15:51
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Elephanthead posted:I do not like this outcome. He’s gonna settle and be starting for Tampa Bay isn’t he. dont put that evil on us
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Mar 13, 2022 17:32
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You signed Tom Brady don’t pretend you didn’t
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Mar 13, 2022 20:13
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Mr. Nice! posted:Correct. If a prosecutor wants an indictment, they can get it. But I mean, isn't there a professional requirement (or a personal financial incentive) to bring it to court? What does the prosecutor gain by not moving forward the Deshaun Watson case? Outside of like bribery.
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Mar 13, 2022 23:49
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Ornery and Hornery posted:But I mean, isn't there a professional requirement (or a personal financial incentive) to bring it to court? They gain not having to spend time trying a case they don’t want to try either for personal (think women deserve to be sexually assaulted) or professional (doesn’t think the case is winnable and losing with affect their reputation and conviction rate) reasons. And no, there’s really nothing that incentivizes them to actually try if the DA is fine with spiking the case.
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Mar 14, 2022 00:01
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Elephanthead posted:I do not like this outcome. He’s gonna settle and be starting for Tampa Bay isn’t he. well, about that
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Mar 14, 2022 00:38
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Ornery and Hornery posted:But I mean, isn't there a professional requirement (or a personal financial incentive) to bring it to court? Prosecutors receive the exact same state salary regardless of how many cases they bring to court. A case against a rich dude with mostly he said she said evidence, regardless of how guilty he is, will be a gigantic drain on limited state resources that they could use instead to more effectively keep poor black people locked up for petty offenses.
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Mar 14, 2022 01:46
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Mr. Nice! posted:Prosecutors receive the exact same state salary regardless of how many cases they bring to court. So it’s basically the bosses of the prosecutors going “this is not evil nor efficient with our limited resources, I’m directing you to punt the case” ?
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Mar 14, 2022 02:06
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Mr. Nice when are you becoming emperor of American lawyers? We need to you to clean this system up.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:So it’s basically the bosses of the prosecutors going “this is not evil nor efficient with our limited resources, I’m directing you to punt the case” ? The bosses of prosecutors are District Attorneys who are elected officials who prioritize winning slam dunk cases against poor people without the monetary resources or political clout to make them think twice. They campaign on conviction rates and will avoid anything that might be either hard to win or be politically divisive. This case would be both.
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Ornery and Hornery posted:Mr. Nice when are you becoming emperor of American lawyers? We need to you to clean this system up.  never because that would mean I'd have to be a lawyer again, and I don't wanna do that.Our legal system from the top down is hosed in so many irreparable ways.
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Mar 14, 2022 02:27
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I can't remember; were any of the alleged assaults outside of Texas?
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GD_American posted:I can't remember; were any of the alleged assaults outside of Texas? Yes, he also flew some women in from other states.
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really queer Christmas posted:Yes, he also flew some women in from other states. Atlanta was the other major city if I recall correctly. Wonder if that's part of why the Falcons aren't bothering.
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Mar 14, 2022 04:24
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Defector staying on the case: https://defector.com/deshaun-watsons-legal-battles-arent-over/
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Mar 14, 2022 22:30
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It's a great day for the Texans, everyone.
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Mar 18, 2022 22:14
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Edward Mass posted:It's a great day for the Texans, everyone. That's true, actually. Lost in all this. Absolutely massive picks haul, get rid of a rapist who wouldn't play for you anyways. If they nail this draft they'll have set themselves up pretty well. I don't really believe in Davis Mills, I think that'll have to change eventually, but at least the sun is shining today. Although it couldn't happen to a worse owner.
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Mar 18, 2022 23:17
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So the Texans would have gotten more draft capital if they dealt Watson before the trade deadline, right? Trying to pivot back to Easterby incompetence.
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fsif posted:So the Texans would have gotten more draft capital if they dealt Watson before the trade deadline, right? Trying to pivot back to Easterby incompetence. I don't really think that's the case. It's probably more 1:1 if not a slightly better haul right now.
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IF the Texans had traded him in the window between his demand of a trade and the lawsuits, it's possible that a few more teams would have been involved, but that window was tiny relative to NFL deal-making. Its probably just about as good as we could have hoped for in any situation, or maybe even helped us by a good QB suddenly becoming "available" (by not getting charged criminally) in a tight QB market
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Mar 18, 2022 23:30
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Draft picks are potential value. They can still very easily gently caress this up
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Obviously but since he was never going to play for us again, even just having the bodies around technically represents an improvement on the situation
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Edward Mass posted:It's a great day for the Texans, everyone. I'd rather Watson be in prison and the Texans get nothing for him tbh fsif posted:So the Texans would have gotten more draft capital if they dealt Watson before the trade deadline, right? Trying to pivot back to Easterby incompetence. You'd have to go all the way back to when he was holding out but before the accusations became public
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Had some recollection of a team offering three 1's and two 2's but the Texans demanded more because they thought Watson told the prospective team that he wouldn't face criminal charges.
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3 firsts a 3 and a 4 is less than I expected Considering you heard Carolina offered up what 3 firsts and a star young defender?
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fsif posted:Had some recollection of a team offering three 1's and two 2's but the Texans demanded more because they thought Watson told the prospective team that he wouldn't face criminal charges. Supposedly the Dolphins but I don't think that was ever confirmed e: or maybe it was the Panthers? Amy Pole Her posted:3 firsts a 3 and a 4 is less than I expected The thing is Watson has a full no trade so I'm sure the massive fully guaranteed contract from Cleveland made him single out his destination
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Intruder posted:The thing is Watson has a full no trade so I'm sure the massive fully guaranteed contract from Cleveland made him single out his destination Yes, but they had to pass a certain threshold to even talk to him, established prior to that decision. I think Houston told teams that the least they’d accept was 3 firsts.
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