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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:maybe as a car-with-a-squared-off-front owner (From 2000) i am biased but i don't think it looks that weird in profile? the acrua grille design language is aggressively dumb but like what are you expecting here? I think its just exacerbated by how tall the sides of cars are now, like, an 89 ford LTD with sides as tall as a modern car would also look like a crazy brick wall, and that wasn't even a good looking car to begin with. Or maybe its the bumpers disappearing into the fronts so theres no extra bit sticking out that kind of steps down the profile. Its hard to tell how much is actual dimensional differences and how much is optical illusions of design. I mean there are some cars it works on, I remember how ugly the 90's early 00's mustangs were and how much better they looked when they started aping the old big flat front look. I guess, I don't know, on something like the integra I want to see something that looks.... a little sleeker and tapered, instead of the polar opposite and VERY 'brick with a bubble on top' like.
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Mar 11, 2022 23:58
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Mar 12, 2022 04:22
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Subaru finally ran out of EJs.
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Subarus market share has gone from around 1.5% to around 4% of the US market during the EJ257s run. From 200k vehicles per year to 700k. You would thing they would be making enough money to do something cool.
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Surprised the STI lasted as long as it did after the Evo died
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Powershift posted:Subarus market share has gone from around 1.5% to around 4% of the US market during the EJ257s run. From 200k vehicles per year to 700k. They're making money precisely because they don't do anything cool (at least not without getting Toyota to throw them some money)
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Mar 12, 2022 05:14
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dissss posted:They're making money precisely because they don't do anything cool (at least not without getting Toyota to throw them some money) By throw some money you mean fund the entire project in exchange for the engine. Whenever someone asks “why doesn’t Subaru do xyz with the brz?”; the answer is because daddy Toyoda said so.
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Mar 12, 2022 05:47
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2004-2021 is a pretty good run tbh
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I'm gonna take a big puff of copium and say that maybe they're gonna release an STI after a mid-cycle refresh of the current WRX after the backlash from that.
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Neo_Crimson posted:I'm gonna take a big puff of copium and say that maybe they're gonna release an STI after a mid-cycle refresh of the current WRX after the backlash from that. Subaru Ascent STI
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“a next generation internal combustion engine WRX STI will not be produced based upon the new WRX platform.” it’s just a little airborne, it’s still good it’s still good
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Powershift posted:Subarus market share has gone from around 1.5% to around 4% of the US market during the EJ257s run. From 200k vehicles per year to 700k. Instead they've half-assed the WRX so completely I wonder why they bothered making it at all.
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Mar 12, 2022 17:19
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bring back forester sti, cowards
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smooth jazz posted:bring back forester sti, cowards here you go [forester sti with a cvt]
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I still die laughing thinking about when Subaru was like "its stupid to offer a turbo Forester. No one wants or cares about a turbo model." And then they turn around and bring back the Outback XT.
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BraveUlysses posted:2004-2021 is a pretty good run tbh WRX STI's been around since the early 90's. cursedshitbox posted:here you go Which did exist. Sold about as well as you would expect. And of course Subaru took that to mean no one wanted a turbo Forester anymore rather than people wanted a Forster turbo that didnt suck
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Mar 12, 2022 23:32
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cursedshitbox posted:here you go 
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:WRX STI's been around since the early 90's. Im just referring to the 17 model years of 2.5 ej sti that they sold here in the us
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Which did exist. Sold about as well as you would expect. And of course Subaru took that to mean no one wanted a turbo Forester anymore rather than people wanted a Forster turbo that didnt suck At least in the US I don’t think people want a Forester turbo at all, whether it sucks or not.
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I helped get my then 51yo mom behind the wheel of a new WRB 07 Forester Sports XT. Previously she was a GM diehard, owning a series of small block 350 cars & trucks, it was a huge upgrade. She loved that XT til the day it was unfairly taken from us by a Dominos driver t-boning it. The 2009 Forester XT that replaced it is still with her, but she endlessly complains about the handling/style, saying she feels like she got downgraded back to a GM product. Ha ha  RIP STi, you had a good run.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:At least in the US I don’t think people want a Forester turbo at all, whether it sucks or not. But, I mean, if I did want a Forester, I'd want it to have at least 250hp.
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Powershift posted:Subarus market share has gone from around 1.5% to around 4% of the US market during the EJ257s run. From 200k vehicles per year to 700k. Doing cool things is what sends you back to 1.5 %.
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Elephanthead posted:Doing cool things is what sends you back to 1.5 %. Yet somehow Porsche is doing this exact thing right somehow, expanding their reach into SUVs and CUVs but not compromising on what makes them special. Weird!
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KakerMix posted:Yet somehow Porsche is doing this exact thing right somehow, expanding their reach into SUVs and CUVs but not compromising on what makes them special. Weird! You know the Cayman is going electric soon right?
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KakerMix posted:Yet somehow Porsche is doing this exact thing right somehow, expanding their reach into SUVs and CUVs but not compromising on what makes them special. Weird! If Subaru could sell STIs for 80k they’d probably still make them. They also put a turbo-4 in the cayman and Boxster.
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YOLOsubmarine posted:If Subaru could sell STIs for 80k they’d probably still make them. And your average 718 customer probably doesn't know/care. But if they do care, there's a GT$$$$ version you can pony up for.
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suggesting that a mass market brand should be more like Porsche so simple!!! is an insane consultant brain thing to say
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:suggesting that a mass market brand should be more like Porsche so simple!!! is an insane consultant brain thing to say As a consultant, I can verify that we are only able to solve problems when the solution is extremely custom and expensive.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:suggesting that a mass market brand should be more like Porsche so simple!!! is an insane consultant brain thing to say I was pointing out that Porsche somehow made it to where they can spit out a ton of SUVs and CUVs to the general public yet maintained what makes them 'Porsche'. The die-hards for Porsche are worlds more particular and powerful than any that could possibly exist with Subaru. Subaru is not Porsche, Porsche had it harder trying to balance those two worlds yet did it anyway. Saved their company in the process yet kept their soul. Saying Subaru can't do it is just as dumb as saying they should be exactly like Porsche. Stop making excuses for giant monolithic companies, they gently caress up all the time 
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:suggesting that a mass market brand should be more like Porsche so simple!!! is an insane consultant brain thing to say I've been wondering if the US car market is heading towards the state of the US housing market: Only luxury options will exist in the new market, everybody else can make do with used. The median new car purchase price is like $48k this year, right? Porsche prices have been increasing much more slowly than the new car market as a whole, meaning that in a couple of years, a Porsche Macan may cost less than the normal new car, and shortly thereafter a Cayman would also be cheap.
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Twerk from Home posted:I've been wondering if the US car market is heading towards the state of the US housing market: Only luxury options will exist in the new market, everybody else can make do with used. yeah although keep in mind it doesn't control for the car being purchased. the mix has shifted to more high dollar SUVs, pickup trucks, luxury vehicles, etc. cars are still available at the lower end of the spectrum. i think your thoughts about evolution of the market in to primarily high dollar cars for new car buyers at the upper end of income are accurate. part of this is possible because of increasing reliability and longevity of cars where 5-10 year old used vehicles are a very viable option for people on a budget. still depressing and yet another huge income inequality red flag. if porsche sees an opportunity to increase prices they certainly will. recent price inflation is kind of crazy and difficult to react to. KakerMix posted:I was pointing out that Porsche somehow made it to where they can spit out a ton of SUVs and CUVs to the general public yet maintained what makes them 'Porsche'. The die-hards for Porsche are worlds more particular and powerful than any that could possibly exist with Subaru. subaru does not give one gently caress about the enthusiast market. they are doing exactly what they intend to do and are ragingly successful at it. like how are you defining subaru loving up? they're out here to make money. subaru is more successful than it has ever been and they got there by ignoring enthusiasts. edit: to elaborate, Porsche being Porsche with a luxury-performance 911 style image enables them to sell a ton of SUVs and CUVs to the general public. it's a brand differentiator. the average subaru driver bought their Forester because they like the ads with dogs in them and they go camping sometimes.
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Twerk from Home posted:I've been wondering if the US car market is heading towards the state of the US housing market: Only luxury options will exist in the new market, everybody else can make do with used. The median income in the US has been around $30k for quite some time. Even when new cars could be had under $15k, they were out of reach of the vast majority of Americans out there.
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bull3964 posted:The median income in the US has been around $30k for quite some time. Even when new cars could be had under $15k, they were out of reach of the vast majority of Americans out there. The median income for full time and salaried workers is about 51k, and that’s a group that accounts about 116 million people, so it’s not quite as dire as you’re making it out to be. But yes, generally people afford new cars by financing them for a very long time and never paying them off.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:subaru does not give one gently caress about the enthusiast market. they are doing exactly what they intend to do and are ragingly successful at it. like how are you defining subaru loving up? they're out here to make money. subaru is more successful than it has ever been and they got there by ignoring enthusiasts. Subaru was supply constrained for yeeeeeears so the lower sales numbers they had were simply they couldnt get stock fast enough and enthusuists are actually a good part of how they developed their rabid fanbase as the "rally car company". Those performace versions they kept making 10 years ago did not hang around dealerships. The number of homes where the wife gets an Outback and the husband get the WRX arent just something for my driveway. The actual fact is that their success was built 10-15 years ago when they had a range considerably better cars than the turds they are making GBS threads out now. They can coast on that for a few more years but I would suggest when there is nothing left to draw people into showrooms other than cars more bland and boring than Camrys then they are setting themselves up to fail. Especially with the switchover to hybrids and EV's gathering pace, why should I look at a Subaru when down the road Kai and Hyundai are knocking it out of the park with their offerings?
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Twerk from Home posted:The median new car purchase price is like $48k this year, right? Porsche prices have been increasing much more slowly than the new car market as a whole, meaning that in a couple of years, a Porsche Macan may cost less than the normal new car, and shortly thereafter a Cayman would also be cheap. e: my friend, who has two 911s on order that he absolutely doesn't need (which drives me insane), wants to flip his slots for >$10K (which drives me double insane). That speculative dynamic, I suspect, doesn't exist for Subaru and others
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How the gently caress does everyone have so much money lol
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I am allegedly in an income bracket that should be able to afford these new 45k median cars, but holy poo poo the idea of spending that much money on a vehicle right now makes me want to vomit.
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BrownieVK posted:How the gently caress does everyone have so much money lol YOLOsubmarine posted:But yes, generally people afford new cars by financing them for a very long time and never paying them off. When I bought my car 3 years ago, I made the choice to buy a new $22,000 car rather than take that 22K and be a down payment on something much nicer. I think many people would make the opposite.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:
 The very first image you see at Subaru's website. Their marketing certainly wants you to think they care. CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:
This exactly, yeah.
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