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Fornax Disaster posted:There's a Russian An-124 stuck in Toronto. I hope these photos show it being stuffed into a long term parking spot, I bet their war effort will miss it. Seems like a good donor airframe for the An-225bis
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Sagebrush posted:Seems like a good donor airframe for the An-225bis Started Volg-Dnepr, now just Dnepr mlmp08 posted:Has there been any evidence of that beyond Ukrainians saying it happened? Seems like a lofty claim without good evidence. I don't think that got confirmed so far. Maybe some fog of war poo poo or deliberate psyops to preempt anything that could drag Belarus into this poo poo
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Mar 12, 2022 11:17
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Fornax Disaster posted:There's a Russian An-124 stuck in Toronto. I hope these photos show it being stuffed into a long term parking spot, I bet their war effort will miss it. Sell it to Antonov Air for $1 when Volga-Dnepr doesn't pay the parking bill
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Mar 12, 2022 15:34
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FuturePastNow posted:Sell it to Antonov Air for $1 when Volga-Dnepr doesn't pay the parking bill Why wait? Send them a bill for a "special maintenance action"
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Mar 12, 2022 15:40
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 says that airplane never leaves and has to be scrapped.
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Mar 12, 2022 17:49
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Good thing who owns a airplane is simple : / I've read a report that put the 26 An-124s of the Russian Air Force as having four airworthy examples. So there's plenty of donor airframes around. mobby_6kl posted:Started Volg-Dnepr, now just Dnepr As for the false flag, yeah, no confirmation. Russia has attempted a few of those, and is presumably gonna keep doing them, but it could be more innocuous. The Russians definitely *want* Belarus to join in, but their patsy leader is probably feeling real wobbly on his seat right now, and the Belarusian army is reputedly an even greater mess than Russia's. As difficult as that is to believe
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Mar 12, 2022 19:59
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Fornax Disaster posted:There's a Russian An-124 stuck in Toronto. I hope these photos show it being stuffed into a long term parking spot, I bet their war effort will miss it. Should have painted the tractor blue and yellow.
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Mar 12, 2022 20:04
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Arson Daily posted:
Hey, wait a minute. We're not talking about some stray pilot with a MiG. We're talking about several hundred million dollars' worth of Volga-Dnepr property. They're gonna want it back.
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Mar 12, 2022 22:42
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I see a sterling opportunity to see what happens when you put four GEnx GE90 engines on an An-124.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I see a sterling opportunity to see what happens when you put four GEnx GE90 engines on an An-124. Get out of my head e: I'm reading up on who Volga-Dnepr Airlines are, and would you be surprised that "its complected?" Like there are rival organizations that are owned by Antonov that later merge with each other Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 23:11 on Mar 12, 2022 |
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Mar 12, 2022 22:50
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You’ve seen Donnie darko right ?
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Mar 12, 2022 23:03
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This is a good example of how we went from one global crisis to another without a break. It came to Toronto to deliver a load of Covid-19 rapid tests.
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Mar 12, 2022 23:11
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:Hey, wait a minute. We're not talking about some stray pilot with a MiG. We're talking about several hundred million dollars' worth of Volga-Dnepr property. They're gonna want it back. Maybe just an inspection then… A real pity we never saw the super crazy versions 
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Okan170 posted:Maybe just an inspection then… Range: 100nm.
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Volga-Dnepr: Who Owns it? A lazy series of copy pastes from the wikipedia article Volga-Dnepr owns and flies 12 An-124 100s, 5 Boeing 747-8F cargo, and 5 IL-76s, TD-90VD (Stage IV). It started as the cold war ended, flying charter cargo. Originally, it was a joint venture between Antonov and Ukrainian aircraft turbine maker Motor_Sich. It immediately partnered with HeavyLift, the astonishingly boringly named cargo charter outfit based out of the UK. It also had partner[s] in Russian cargo airlines and some other Russian firms. quote:In April 2000, the privately owned Russian defense industry investor Kaskol Group acquired a 16% stake in the airline, of which the majority was from the Ukrainian state property fund.[10] Kaskol later raised its stake to 49% of the airline.[11] At the end of 2005, Kaskol sold its stake in the airline, due to its discontent with the company's management's strategy. OK Volga-Dnepr ended its partnership with HeavyLift, feeling that it had been around enough that it could attract western investors. HeavyLift started a partnership with Volga-Dnepr's arch rival! Which was Antonov Airlines who guess what, operated An-124s. Later in the 2000s, Antonov and Volga-Dnepr would parter and later merge. Some of these shenigans happened no doubt because the WOT called for An-124s quite a bit, which made Volga-Dnepr (and Antonov) cozy with the western national security establishment, so much so that they opened an office in Huston, TX, to coordinate with the US Military more closely. quote:The airline began flying chartered missions for the US Air Force Air Mobility Command in 2003, eventually ferrying thousands of tons of vital military equipment to U.S. operating forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. In 2005, the airline established a subsidiary in Houston, Texas that committed to make An-124 aircraft available to Air Mobility Command (AMC) in the event of a national emergency, qualifying Volga-Dnepr to bid for cargo charters from AMC and other US government agencies.[17] quote:In 2005, the airline and its Ukrainian competitor, Antonov Airlines, formed a partnership, Ruslan Salis, which signed a three-year contract with NATO to provide strategic airlift services to the alliance's Strategic Airlift Interim Solution (SALIS). The contract was renewable through 2012, and required Ruslan to maintain two An-124 aircraft in a ready state in Leipzig, Germany, with an additional four An-124 aircraft available if needed.[18] In 2007, scandal! quote:In 2007, Volga-Dnepr and its Irish subsidiary were debarred from U.N. contracting after it surfaced during the trial of Vladimir Kuznetsov, formerly the highest-ranking Russian diplomat at the United Nations, that bribes were paid to Alexander Yakovlev, a U.N. procurement official, and laundered by Kuznetsov. Kuznetsov was found guilty and Yakovlev pled guilty,[20] and testified against Kuznetsov, for crimes of fraud and money-laundering related to the bribes. Both were imprisoned as a result.[21] Mr. Yakovlev claimed to provide consulting services and billed in excess of US$700,000 to Volga-Dnepr in order to help them win tenders. The Office of Internal Oversight Services Procurement Task Force found that, between March 2000 and November 2004, Mr. Yakovlev received funds exceeding US$1.8 million into an off-shore bank account from Volga-Dnepr and ICT, a company working on contract procurement for Volga-Dnepr at the time. The report found that in actuality the sum received could be even higher, as the sources for substantial other sources of funds could not be identified. In a response letter to the report, Volga-Dnepr admits to making payments to Mr. Yakovlev, but insist Mr. Yakovlev was a paid consultant, and the company was unaware of involvement or influence over the bidding process.[22] In the same period, The UN contracted over US$134 million to Volga-Dnepr.[23] The World Bank has listed Yakovlev and Kuznetsov as corruption case asset recovery targets for the Stolen Asset Recovery Initaitive.[24] As of 2019, following years of sustained effort to institute extensive measures (e.g., external annual audits and a strong Code of Ethics) to address and ensure proper employee conduct in procurement matters, Volga Dnepr was awaiting UN action on its request for reinstatement as a UN vendor. In 2015, Volga-Dnepr suffered what industry analysts would call "a petty, dick move" on the part of the US government: quote:In early 2015, without notice to the company or affording the company an opportunity to be heard, US TRANSCOM removed privately owned Volga Dnepr from its approved airlift vendor list together with several government-owned Russian flag air carriers. Despite a FOIA action which it eventually abandoned, Volga-Dnepr never received a United States Department of Defense explanation for its removal from the TRANSCOM vendor list. From the redacted reports obtained by journalists, however, it was heavily implied, but never proven, that Volga-Dnepr was blacklisted by the US military for delivering Russian-built fighter aircraft on behalf of Rosoboronexport to Vietnam in December 2014. Notably, during that same year, the U.S. Army took delivery from Rosoboronexport of the last lot of Russian-built Mi-17 helicopters (45 in all) which it had purchased for transfer to Afghanistan, and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry lifted U.S. sanctions against Vietnam.[27] Volga-Dnepr Antonov also made friends with the Boeing corporation. Before the invasion, Boeing and Antonov were partnering up, with Boeing's supply chain going to supply spare parts that were hard to come by because Russia attacked the Ukraine. This friendship had a firm foundation: Volga-Dnepr buying 5 Boeing 747-8Fs, with orders for 5 more? [That's unclear, is the factory still making those honkeys] and had signed one of those letters of intent for 29 777 freighters. It was also thinking of buying MC-21 freighters, but as that's a Russian firm, lol In conclusion, Volga-Dnepr is a subsidiary of Antonov, but God only knows how much Russian money is parked there. As for who owns the planes, that's a silly question
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Nebakenezzer posted:Volga-Dnepr: Who Owns it? They were in and out of Rickenbacker quite often hauling engines for Boeing. Actually, my last planespotting outing in 2020 before the poo poo hit the fan was to catch one at LCK.
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I think both Volga and Antanov have done contract work for Boeing shipping parts around to fix various 787 fuckups in South Carolina, but since the Seattle 787 line is closing down, I assume the need for that is largely vanishing.
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Hundreds of Planes Are Stranded in Russia. They May Never Be Recovered. Western companies that own the planes face little prospect of getting them back, meaning billions of dollars in losses. quote:Dr. Guzhva and others who attended a recent industry conference in San Diego said the predicament for the leasing companies was the talk of the event, held by the International Society of Transport Aircraft Trading. Experts there generally aligned around the view that the companies were facing the possibility of huge losses, they said. All told, the planes are worth as much as $12 billion, according to Ishka, an aviation consulting firm. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-GaXa8tSBE
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Okan170 posted:Maybe just an inspection then… Sure. Call it whatever you want to, a Civil Aviation Directorate safety inspection.
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Okan170 posted:Maybe just an inspection then… Paging Musk, Bezos etc - of all your bullshit you throw money at.... throw it at THIS.
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Platystemon posted:Hundreds of Planes Are Stranded in Russia. They May Never Be Recovered. Something from the article that I'm sure many folks in the thread knew, but was new to me: quote:While a few planes may have been recovered abroad before international flights were halted, they are of little use to their owners without the meticulous maintenance records that accompany every aircraft and are often stored by airlines themselves, experts said. And the longer a plane is stuck in Russia, the greater the concern that work on the jet’s body, engines and flight systems may not be logged, causing its value to plummet.
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I expect the operators and manufacturers can come up with an inspection protocol and criteria that can rebaseline an airframes flight worthiness. It may not be cheap or quick but depending on circumstances it could be a path to use some of those airframes in the future.
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Why don’t insurers demand copies of maintenance documents for their own files? Is that something they’re likely to start going forward? The spare parts market would certainly get interesting if some of those planes had to be parted out.
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Get ready for your insurance rates to go through the roof next year. The poor insurance companies will need to recoup their losses  I know this came up before, but pretty sure if Russia is going to expropriate billions of western owned assets, that money will almost certainly be taken from their frozen funds. Assuming there isn't a world ending event, it will be super interesting to see the end game here. If Putin is removed, the rest of the planet will need to walk a very fine line to get Russia back as a contributing member of the world but make restitution to Ukraine and everyone else that suffered losses directly attributable to the aggression.
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Humphreys posted:Paging Musk, Bezos etc - of all your bullshit you throw money at.... throw it at THIS. We already got Paul Allen onboard with one of these.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:Sure. Call it whatever you want to, a Civil Aviation Directorate safety inspection. What’s his plan though? A Russian doesn’t take a poo poo without a plan, son.
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slidebite posted:Get ready for your insurance rates to go through the roof next year. The poor insurance companies will need to recoup their losses It's not entirely clear if it's presently possible under US law to do this, but in the event that it isn't, it is likely Congress will pass a law to make sure it is.
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EasilyConfused posted:Something from the article that I'm sure many folks in the thread knew, but was new to me: There used to be a reality show about people who repo small airplanes and I remember if they didn't also snatch the maintenance records they only got something like half the money for the job.
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Cat Hatter posted:There used to be a reality show about people who repo small airplanes and I remember if they didn't also snatch the maintenance records they only got something like half the money for the job. 99% of everything on that show was fabricated bullshit, but they were right about the maintenance logs. Especially on older or heavily modified airplanes, losing the maintenance logs can more than halve the value of the airplane, since there are a lot of airplanes that can require massively expensive inspections to be done if there aren't records of how and when some previous inspections were done.
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I have to imagine that for older aircraft the maintenance records are an entire shelf of binders, and the electronic records are in a database someone hacked together 25 years ago as an interim solution until a proper system could be built, but never was.
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azflyboy posted:99% of everything on that show was fabricated bullshit, but they were right about the maintenance logs. Yeah, anything that involves sneaking around with a camera crew is going to be made up.
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I've never seen the show but it came up on reddit the other day. In one episode they said that the guy was flying some Cessna and suddenly pointed at the compass which was pointed East and yelled they were out of gas. Then he pulled the mixture on short final and "just barely made it".
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PCjr sidecar posted:We already got Paul Allen onboard with one of these. The Microsoft guy who died or Jared Leto’s character in American Psycho?
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Wingnut Ninja posted:I have to imagine that for older aircraft the maintenance records are an entire shelf of binders, and the electronic records are in a database someone hacked together 25 years ago as an interim solution until a proper system could be built, but never was. I remember watching something on YouTube where they were doing a cargo conversion on an ex-passenger aircraft, and when it arrives for the conversion it has the required paperwork with it which "must be handed over with the plane". It was an entire pallet, maybe two, of file boxes. Insane. 15min10sec in this video: https://youtu.be/pMILhFItbSM [edit: look at the volume of boxes inside the aircraft not the weedy pallet pulling 4 of those 30 off in the later shot...] kalleth fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Mar 14, 2022 |
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kalleth posted:I remember watching something on YouTube where they were doing a cargo conversion on an ex-passenger aircraft, and when it arrives for the conversion it has the required paperwork with it which "must be handed over with the plane". Narrator says 30 boxes, that pallet held 4.
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A lot of aviation industries could be accurately described as paperwork and certification companies that also happen to repair engines or manufacture bolts
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kalleth posted:I remember watching something on YouTube where they were doing a cargo conversion on an ex-passenger aircraft, and when it arrives for the conversion it has the required paperwork with it which "must be handed over with the plane". Is there less of a maintenance documentation requirement once it's converted to cargo services?
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Arson Daily posted:
Isn't there a B-52 stuck on a corner of SeaTac or something like that due to START?
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Assuming it's still operating under the same basic regulations doing cargo as it was in the passenger world, the amount of maintenance records being generated probably drops, because there's not going to be writeups for things like jammed passenger seats or burned out rearing lights, but the requirements for scheduled maintenance on the aircraft and engines won't change. There's also the fact that older airplanes generally require more maintenance than newer ones, so either keeping in top of preventative maintenance or fixing poo poo when it breaks will generate some extra paperwork. ~Coxy posted:Isn't there a B-52 stuck on a corner of SeaTac or something like that due to START? There's nothing at SEA related to START, but it's distinctly possible that the B-52 on display at the Museum of Flight nearby has to be displayed outdoors so Russian satellites can verify it's not being re-militarized or something. The Titan Missile Museum in AZ is set up so that one of the silo doors is permanently open, and the other one is permanently blocked shut, so Russian can verify that the missile on display is blocked from ever being able to launch. azflyboy fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Mar 14, 2022 |
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~Coxy posted:Isn't there a B-52 stuck on a corner of SeaTac or something like that due to START? Something like that. Don't remember the museum specifically (could be Museum of Flight in Seattle), but I saw that they had a B-52 on the ramp and asked when they were going to get to that. The docent said "the air force shows up every year to check the tires and change the oil. It's ready to go, but we own it and aren't allowed within a hundred feet of it because of some treaty. It's gotta be RIGHT THERE or we get a call from some Colonel or Captain or General or something." Like, they had to move it to get something into their hangar, then moved it back later that day and got a call that it wasn't where they'd left it the day before. By less than ten feet.
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