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Fabulous Knight posted:One of the last things I saw in this thread before going to bed last night was a Twitter thread where some Russia head suggested that the anti-war protest by the female Russian Channel One reporter was fake and designed to manipulate Western sensibilities. Having taken a look at things today, it seems like the consensus is that it was genuine and the woman has been made to disappear? Most takes I see seem to be taking the protest at face value. Quite frankly I don't think the Russian propaganda machine is sophisticated enough to galaxy brain a false flag anti-war protest.
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D-Pad posted:This brings up a question. If Ukraine comes out of this intact what are the chances they get NATO once removed? Like they form a defensive pact with Poland and similar countries where an attack on one is an attack on all. They aren't officially part of NATO but if Russia attacks Ukraine then Poland and the rest automatically get involved which then pulls in NATO when they are attacked. Functionally it's the same as just bringing Ukraine into NATO but it seems like the type of technicality you sometimes see in international geopolitics where NATO can say with a semi-straight face that Ukraine isn't a member while in practice any attack on it would end up being an attack on NATO hence NATO once removed. that would just open up the door to more brinkmanship and be very dangerous. the current situation already shows that really, EU and NATO membership should be a single package and there should be no "grey areas" where one thing applies and the other doesn't (like in sweden and finland), a halfway alliance with a single nato state would just invite russia to test the strength of that and if they do they either will find that they can safely ignore it or it will lead to war with nato i hope ukraine comes out of this still independent but truly neutral (i.e. not like belarus or kazakhstan or something)
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Shibawanko posted:that would just open up the door to more brinkmanship and be very dangerous. the current situation already shows that really, EU and NATO membership should be a single package and there should be no "grey areas" where one thing applies and the other doesn't (like in sweden and finland), a halfway alliance with a single nato state would just invite russia to test the strength of that and if they do they either will find that they can safely ignore it or it will lead to war with nato
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Seth Pecksniff posted:10 days or years? Because 10 days seems awfully low for doing that in Putin's Russia. a podcast for cats posted:Supposedly she's getting off lightly:
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That Italian Guy posted:Which is weird in itself since there was a previous post specifying that she was going to be specifically tried under the new laws. Not sure if that was just social media bs though. Thank you! I actually hadn't heard about that, but that is absolutely bizarre to me. I thought she would have been made an example of (unless she still will be, by other means).
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Seth Pecksniff posted:10 days or years? Because 10 days seems awfully low for doing that in Putin's Russia. Nah it was 10 days. The article that was posted here said because the law giving 15 years for anti-war stuff hadn't gone through yet it was a mis-demenour or some such. With how little the law seems to matter in russian court cases seemed a bit weird, yeah. mobby_6kl posted:No I don't think in this arrangement NATO gets involved automatically. Otherwise that would be one neat trick. Mostly as that would be Poland attacking, defense pacts don't draw in others if your the one attacking. I mean, this can obviously get complicated but yeah.
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Shibawanko posted:that would just open up the door to more brinkmanship and be very dangerous. the current situation already shows that really, EU and NATO membership should be a single package and there should be no "grey areas" where one thing applies and the other doesn't (like in sweden and finland), a halfway alliance with a single nato state would just invite russia to test the strength of that and if they do they either will find that they can safely ignore it or it will lead to war with nato you mean that countries can't join the EU without being a part of NATO, and vice versa? that makes no sense or do you just mean that accession to EU / NATO should be a binary flag, "are you in or are you out", rather than having varying degrees of uptake and agreement either way i dont understand how this would work in the real world, either with the situation we currently have or with potential new members
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uXs posted:Someone should have told them that being respected by Europe would be a lot easier if they weren't a bunch of murdering dickbags. Maybe try doing more science and culture poo poo instead, they have historically been good at those.
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Threadkiller Dog posted:Goddamn that It's better now, trust me. Fabulous Knight posted:One of the last things I saw in this thread before going to bed last night was a Twitter thread where some Russia head suggested that the anti-war protest by the female Russian Channel One reporter was fake and designed to manipulate Western sensibilities. Having taken a look at things today, it seems like the consensus is that it was genuine and the woman has been made to disappear? Most takes I see seem to be taking the protest at face value. It would be a pretty strange psyop move if it really was that. "Our population's morale is so weak that even the propaganda outlets are openly confronting the government!" is some nth dimension chess. Next up, we will see president Putin poo poo his pants and Russian generals cry they're too young to die on live tv. Take that western degenerates!!!
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https://twitter.com/VSinkevicius/status/1503703209486991369 EU environmental commissioner is in Ukraine as well. Seth Pecksniff posted:10 days or years? Because 10 days seems awfully low for doing that in Putin's Russia. Days. https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1503733894520131587 Though it seems that the situation has progressed since the time of the tweet, and the prosecution is investigating criminal charges against her after all. They seek to charge her with 207.3, which, depending on the modality, carries the punishment anywhere between $6500 and 15 years in prison.
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boofhead posted:you mean that countries can't join the EU without being a part of NATO, and vice versa? that makes no sense countries that are now members of nato but not likely EU member candidates should remain nato-only (turkey, unless it stops being basically a dictatorship at some point in the future, norway and iceland unless they change their mind) countries that are in the EU but not NATO members are vulnerable, the EU defense pact is weaker than the NATO pact, it's why putin feels safe to threaten finland, these countries should be strongly encouraged to join nato any new EU member states should join both
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cinci zoo sniper posted:I saw that edit. Hush, you saw nothing In other news, Fox News' Ukrainian fixer also died in the attack, not that they mentioned it https://twitter.com/olliecarroll/status/1503766249528045574?t=vxJ7r7CmcVpxhXnY2B2Onw&s=19 https://twitter.com/t_bezruk/status/1503764721215885316?t=T_rw4YAX_MnSGHrkagUA5Q&s=19
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Well, that was anticlimactic. https://twitter.com/AmichaiStein1/status/1503768944146100234
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Shibawanko posted:that would just open up the door to more brinkmanship and be very dangerous. the current situation already shows that really, EU and NATO membership should be a single package and there should be no "grey areas" where one thing applies and the other doesn't (like in sweden and finland), a halfway alliance with a single nato state would just invite russia to test the strength of that and if they do they either will find that they can safely ignore it or it will lead to war with nato Are you saying that the US and Canada have to join the EU? Jokes aside, NATO and EU membership cannot possibly be linked. They're completely different things. The EU is a political, economic and military union, with the express goal of working towards increasing amounts of integration. NATO is a mutual defense pact. The EU is so tightly integrated that anyone invading a member country is de facto invading the entire union. There is nothing grey about EU members not being part of NATO - or vice versa. It might get awkward if someone invaded a non-NATO EU member (ie Sweden or Finland) - but not because noone would intervene, but because the US would have to intervene. EU has members have transferred part of their national sovereignty to the EU - and hence an attack on the EU is an attack on the sovereignty of numerous NATO members, even if such an invasion is aimed at say Swedish territory. Russia would never attack Sweden or Finland without also planning for a war with at least all of EU, but more likely, NATO proper. They'd likely still try for a fait accompli on the Baltics and parts of Swedish/Finnish/Danish territory - but invading, say, Sweden and threatening the EU with nukes if they intervene is something even Kremlin knows wouldn't work. Rather they'd try the fait accompli and then escalate to de-escalate or simply threaten escalation if NATO doesn't accept a ceasefire and peace talks. Based on what we now know, such a fait accompli would likely fail terribly, but nevertheless I expect that was the plan after Putins assumed quick annexation of Ukraine, Moldavia, Georgia, etc.
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BoldFace posted:Well, that was anticlimactic. That’s the punishment for the administrative crime, unlawful incitement of a protest. The criminal charges are pending.
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BoldFace posted:Well, that was anticlimactic.
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BoldFace posted:Well, that was anticlimactic. Not quite accurate. That's just for the prerecorded statement https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1503757190154407941?t=PIzMuTvXwQA9p_Tmz5KPqw&s=19 Also she has young children so apparently under Russian law she couldn't be held much longer. Not that it always matters, but hey
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FlamingLiberal posted:So that’s what, $5? $280.37
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FlamingLiberal posted:So that’s what, $5? Less than $300 US lmao efb
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cinci zoo sniper posted:That’s the punishment for the administrative crime, unlawful incitement of a protest. The criminal charges are pending. Not to tin-foil hat but if all she gets is a slap on the wrist then I feel like it leads some credence to this being bullshit to begin with edit: I guess we'll see, but her treatment thusfar doesn't seem to match with how they've treated less "public" protestors
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Victis posted:Not to tin-foil hat but if all she gets is a slap on the wrist then I feel like it leads some credence to this being bullshit to begin with Maybe that has too much visibility to just disappear her like some rando from the street
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mobby_6kl posted:Certainly, but I'm wondering how many in the West will advocate handing over everything back just in case they're serious half of pittsburgh take it or leave it
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FlamingLiberal posted:So that’s what, $5? around $275/€260
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Telsa Cola posted:$280.37
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What the gently caress https://twitter.com/danaisarova/status/1503442355495571461
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the popes toes posted:How many divisions does the Pope have? you unironically don't gently caress with the swiss guard
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Ukrainian parliament met in person again, the mad people https://twitter.com/InnaSovsun/status/1503731906420031492?t=5N_WhUdP68Sy25EQNT2W6A&s=19 Also Russia has quit the Council of Europe (likely in advance of getting kicked out, they were already suspended) which isn't great https://twitter.com/KyivPost/status/1503773284697059333?t=obK83c6uxadbx8b84rEyXg&s=19 Not that they were being very respectful of human rights anyway, but this could cause escalations in Russia. Alexei Navalny is in custody for instance, and Russia is technically free to re-implement the death penalty
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cinci zoo sniper posted:What the gently caress This feels like the wartime equivalent of one of those fake Lifehack videos where they pull a perfectly cooked fillet steak out of a toaster or make white strawberries by dipping them in bleach
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KitConstantine posted:Ukrainian parliament met in person again, the mad people
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Fabulous Knight posted:One of the last things I saw in this thread before going to bed last night was a Twitter thread where some Russia head suggested that the anti-war protest by the female Russian Channel One reporter was fake and designed to manipulate Western sensibilities. Having taken a look at things today, it seems like the consensus is that it was genuine and the woman has been made to disappear? Most takes I see seem to be taking the protest at face value. Thats just Ukranians being angry at Russian protestors getting attention. Ignore it, Russian media is not a place of 5d chess operations, especially during wartime.
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KitConstantine posted:and Russia is technically free to re-implement the death penalty
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Tigey posted:This feels like the wartime equivalent of one of those fake Lifehack videos where they pull a perfectly cooked fillet steak out of a toaster or make white strawberries by dipping them in bleach Incidentally, the company that produces most of those "5 minute lifehacks" is Russia based. Some of their stuff is produced elsewhere, including the EU, but IIRC the majority is Russian. edit: oh shi, they're actually moving poo poo into Latvia. a podcast for cats fucked around with this message at 17:54 on Mar 15, 2022 |
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cinci zoo sniper posted:What the gently caress They are pulling the fuse out and the water helps deal with friction and sparking and what not.
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