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Funky See Funky Do posted:I threw an oil pot at Alexander and now he's hostile. WTF was I supposed to do? He didn't call out to me like he was supposed to but I'm pretty sure I'm up to that point in his questline. There's a big difference between talking to a fella until he asks nicely for you to throw poo poo at him vs walking up to a stranger and hucking poo poo at him instantly without his permission or consent. Atonement should fix it at least. Captain Oblivious posted:The Flame of the Giants and the Flame of Frenzy are I coudn't find the description you're alluding to but The nomatic merchant's set has the following description: "These merchants once thrived as the Great Caravan, but after being accused of heretical beliefs, their entire clan was rounded up and buried alive far underground. Then, they chanted a curse of despair, and summoned the flame of frenzy." So it's implied that the nomads worshipped the Three Fingers or somesuch but not the frenzied flame. The frenzied flame came about only after they were persecuted and locked into underground concentration camps and started praying and chanting and cursing for revenge. Not sure how Shabiri works into this, because the frenzied flame was also supposed to have originated from him? I guess he was just one of them. None of the five frenzy spells in the game seem to say anything about Marika or the Golden Order.
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No Wave posted:I mean it's absolutely the game's fault what do you mean. It's literally designed to hit players more. No? Delaying attacks is a major thing and if you can read em you'll be fine and can further push the bosses poo poo in.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Rolling through liquids that apply status effects get you covered in the liquid and so you continue to gain the status effect even on safe ground until the covering fades off. This is visually represented by your literal character model having the associated liquid drain off from their body. You may notice how the green poison or red scarlet rot goop slowly travels up your character’s cape. Rolling instantly covers the entire character. 
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I think it gets a bit old when nearly every other boss has an animation that makes you think it's going to swing with a timing only to swing a moment or so later. It feels less like something you can read and more something you just need to remember.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:There's a big difference between talking to a fella until he asks nicely for you to throw poo poo at him vs walking up to a stranger and hucking poo poo at him instantly without his permission or consent. Atonement should fix it at least. re:shabriri, his backstory mentions him being an infamous slanderer and Literally The Worst, but not his body-snatching or association with frenzy. I guess he must have picked it up on the side
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Meeting Shabriri was a trip. Oh cool, this guy! I'm pretty sure I saw him die, maybe this is one of those doubled/copied people I've been noticing? Oh, no, it's someone using that guy's body, well that was nice of him. Wow he sounds like he has some wisdom to share. Mmhmm, mmhmm. Oh. Oh, no. Oh no get away and never talk to me again.
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codo27 posted:Let me say it again. This is not the games fault, its your fault. Having that attitude towards your failures will make the game so much less frustrating, and you'll be better for it. I still say there is a lot more cheap poo poo in this than any of the previous games but this was just a clever advancement of the combat system and you need to learn to adjust. Try not to go on auto pilot. Uuuuuuuugggggghhhhhhhhhhhh
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Is it just me or are there a lot of NPCs who give you zero clue as to where you might find them next? I feel like I've missed out on a a bunch of NPC questlines (I don't worry too much because in previous games it usually just meant missing out on a weapon or item I'll never use). My plan was to keep a notebook for playthrough number 2 and try to do as much NPC stuff as possible but unless I'm really dense there's a few people that are just like "welp maybe see ya later!"
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I still think there should be an ending where Patches stabs you after you win the game and becomes Elden Lord He deserves it
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RBA Starblade posted:I still think there should be an ending where Patches stabs you after you win the game and becomes Elden Lord he really doesn't
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Infinite Karma posted:Are people just making glass cannon PvP builds? I was doing Varre's quest yesterday and invaded some people (I'm very high level, like 180, with +25/+10 weapons), and my Wave of Gold one-shot several people, and the regular quick cast Lightning Spear did almost 1000 damage, easily 2-shotting people without ever getting close. I guess people don't take offensive faith magic seriously. They’ve fallen for the armor doesn’t matter meme most likely
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Mountain: This begins a thing, but doesn't irreversibly do anything until you beat the main boss of the next area (farum azula) The final boss does not actually lock you out of anything afterwards. It does the DS3 thing where it asks if you want to advance to NG+ or stay in the same world (and you can advance to NG+ at the roundtable later). If you stay, NPCs don't even seem to react to it! I guess if you don't go NG+ you're canonically forever suspended in the moment right before fighting the final boss. Vintersorg posted:No? It's the game's "fault" in the sense that yes the game really is designed to punish players for just rolling on reaction when a move starts. I don't think that's a bad thing though. Oxyclean posted:I think it gets a bit old when nearly every other boss has an animation that makes you think it's going to swing with a timing only to swing a moment or so later. Having boss fights that you have to learn to fight and remember how to avoid particular attacks etc is what keeps them interesting. If every boss had the same timings so you could just roll everything on reaction without ever having seen it before, the game would be pretty boring and every boss would basically feel the same. e: hatty posted:They’ve fallen for the armor doesn’t matter meme most likely Armor does not fix having 1000 max hp at level 180. They most likely fell for the "armor is important" meme and put too many levels into endurance instead of vigor, thinking that armor is a replacement to hp for survivability instead of a minor bonus that's only worth it after your vigor is already high enough. Now they have loads of poise but die in one hit. On the bright side, even though they have literally half the maxhp of a 60-vigor player, they have 10-20% higher damage negation due to their super-heavy armor! Surely that will fix things. And yeah I've seen a good amount of players like that while invading too. Especially in low level zones you'll find people fatrolling in the heaviest armor they can find with literally no levelups in vigor. RPATDO_LAMD fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Mar 15, 2022 |
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Meeting Shabriri was a trip. Oh cool, this guy! I'm pretty sure I saw him die, maybe this is one of those doubled/copied people I've been noticing? Oh, no, it's someone using that guy's body, well that was nice of him. Wow he sounds like he has some wisdom to share. Mmhmm, mmhmm. Oh. Oh, no. Oh no get away and never talk to me again. Pretty impressive how every additional sentence this guy says after his fairly reasonable opener just gets more and more bugfuck insane
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:There's a big difference between talking to a fella until he asks nicely for you to throw poo poo at him vs walking up to a stranger and hucking poo poo at him instantly without his permission or consent. Atonement should fix it at least. It wasn't Alexander. It was just some poor innocent jar and his kid at the bottom of the cliff in Jartown that I thought was Alexander. That explains why it was so pissed.
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Meeting Shabriri was a trip. Oh cool, this guy! I'm pretty sure I saw him die, maybe this is one of those doubled/copied people I've been noticing? Oh, no, it's someone using that guy's body, well that was nice of him. Wow he sounds like he has some wisdom to share. Mmhmm, mmhmm. Oh. Oh, no. Oh no get away and never talk to me again. literally couldn’t go five minutes without going full Bloodborne. you’d think someone executed for slander would be more persuasive!
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codo27 posted:Let me say it again. This is not the games fault, its your fault. Having that attitude towards your failures will make the game so much less frustrating, and you'll be better for it. I still say there is a lot more cheap poo poo in this than any of the previous games but this was just a clever advancement of the combat system and you need to learn to adjust. Try not to go on auto pilot. they literally said "irrationally" but sure, do go off on them
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skasion posted:Pretty impressive how every additional sentence this guy says after his fairly reasonable opener just gets more and more bugfuck insane Yeah, that was an utterly perfect bit of writing and voice work
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Professor Beetus posted:Is it just me or are there a lot of NPCs who give you zero clue as to where you might find them next? I feel like I've missed out on a a bunch of NPC questlines (I don't worry too much because in previous games it usually just meant missing out on a weapon or item I'll never use). My plan was to keep a notebook for playthrough number 2 and try to do as much NPC stuff as possible but unless I'm really dense there's a few people that are just like "welp maybe see ya later!" Nah there's tons of griping about this through this whole thread! Also sometime the place you need to find them next is... right where they are now! Hit a site of grace and come back and wow there's new stuff! The end of Fia's questline pissed me off pretty hard in that regard. She doesn't move from her spot, but I need to fast travel back to her site of grace like 5 times to advance the quest. Am I locked out of anything for having hung out with the 3 fingers?
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Sockser posted:Am I locked out of anything for having hung out with the 3 fingers? you’re now locked into the super-evil ending, unless you apply a complicated remedy that involves finishing millicent’s quest and beating both super bosses
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Having boss fights that you have to learn to fight and remember how to avoid particular attacks etc is what keeps them interesting. If every boss had the same timings so you could just roll everything on reaction without ever having seen it before, the game would be pretty boring and every boss would basically feel the same. I mean, there's definitely a level of salt here, but there's been some amount of boss attacks where I go "oh i need to run" or "I need to roll through" or "I need to back off" and that's fairly satisfying. big boss man raising his arm up and then swinging after a random amount of waiting is not fun to figure out because it never really gets easier to remember the timing.
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Professor Beetus posted:Am I locked out of anything for having hung out with the 3 fingers? You are locked out of your sanity. Embrace the madness and unleash chaos to purify the Lands Between.
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RBA Starblade posted:I still think there should be an ending where Patches stabs you after you win the game and becomes Elden Lord
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I mean even with the waiting all the bosses attack patterns are still predictable. They can randomize how the combos chain together but they can’t (or haven’t) made the attacks themselves random
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Oxyclean posted:but every boss is kind of feeling the same because I get hit constantly by cheap attacks I can't read.
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It would be cool if Keen wasn't bugged to make you lose damage at +25 unlike every other infusion 
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Nyoro posted:It would be cool if Keen wasn't bugged to make you lose damage at +25 unlike every other infusion Trust me this isn't limited to Keen. Luv to lose damage upping my heavy greatsword to +25.
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Nyoro posted:It would be cool if Keen wasn't bugged to make you lose damage at +25 unlike every other infusion This is weapon-specific. It happens with certain Heavy weapons as well, including the Greatsword. I guess it just happens to +25 weapons with high enough stat scaling in general?
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Let me be clear on how much I HATE that one dungeon with the Chariot of Doom rolling about. It's not the Chariot that's the problem, it's all those cheap motherfuking ghosts spawns that NEVER fail to shank you in the spleen whenever you have to dodge in those safe alcoves I'm just gonna cheese up my levels so I can muscle through the bullshit, the one thing RPGs can never take away from me!
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Parrotine posted:that one dungeon with the Chariot of Doom
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Armor does not fix having 1000 max hp at level 180. They most likely fell for the "armor is important" meme and put too many levels into endurance instead of vigor, thinking that armor is a replacement to hp for survivability instead of a minor bonus that's only worth it after your vigor is already high enough. Now they have loads of poise but die in one hit. On the bright side, even though they have literally half the maxhp of a 60-vigor player, they have 10-20% higher damage negation due to their super-heavy armor! Surely that will fix things. Honestly most of the talismans with offense boosts are pretty mediocre. 10% extra damage isn't really a lot, very few moves have a breakpoint where you will kill something in less hits. I windmill slammed the Greatshield and Pearldrake +2 talismans as soon as I could, the extra defense on top of armor and good Vigor is pretty noticeable. I have something like 1700 hp with 70 poise and maybe 40% reduction on all damage types and it's a huge difference in PvP. It'd be even higher if I used the defense buff incantations but I'm honestly just lazy. The bigger bummer is that matchmaking is hosed at high levels, I haven't found anywhere I can co-op since starting NG+.
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No Wave posted:I disagree. I think these games all need a pop-up that says "it's now safe to kill patches" after you finish all his quests. I let the fucker kick me off a cliff and he has the nerve not to give me an apology gift. The nerve. But I suppose that's the greatest prank From could play.
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Nyoro posted:It would be cool if Keen wasn't bugged to make you lose damage at +25 unlike every other infusion Wait what? Maxing out a weapon lowers the damage?
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Horace Kinch posted:Wait what? Maxing out a weapon lowers the damage? Only specific weapons, it's a bug. The weapon preview will show you before you upgrade so you can just hold off and stay at 24 if you're using one of the ones hit by it.
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isn't it only one levels worth of damage though so it's essentially making your sword go from +24 to +23? annoying to be sure but shouldn't ruin your game if you didn't notice it and mashed upgrade
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I feel like kind of a bitch for letting the summons handle Radahns phase two. Pancaked his phase 1 every time but he has a lot of one-shot kills in phase two. I feel like From actively encouraged you to finish the fight that way with how it was designed but it just doesn’t feel quite right.
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Parrotine posted:that one dungeon with the Chariot of Doom 
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Captain Oblivious posted:The Fire Monks do not worship the giants. They are a Golden Order adjacent religious order tasked with stewardship of the Giantsflame. They are theocratic prison wardens. The Giantsflame springs from a Fell God that held dominion over the Fire Giants, and it is because of that God that the flame of the Forge cannot be extinguished. So Marika settled for assigning jailors. So yeah, I think that you can argue that the flame incantations in general (with the likely exception of the Godskin cult's black flames, which appear to be associated with a third, minor Outer God) are the product of a war between the Greater Will and the Frenzied Flame for authority over fire as a concept - a tool of order or an agent of chaos.
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hobbez posted:but he has a lot of one-shot kills in phase two. No he doesn't, you dont have enough vigor
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codo27 posted:No he doesn't, you dont have enough vigor I went in with 25 vigor and Carian Knight Armor, which seemed perfectly adequate for everything else in Caelid, and stuff like the attack where he fires his four big meteors at you two at a time was enough to smoke me in a single hit. He really does dish out the hurt.
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Darth Walrus posted:So yeah, I think that you can argue that the flame incantations in general (with the likely exception of the Godskin cult's black flames, which appear to be associated with a third, minor Outer God) are the product of a war between the Greater Will and the Frenzied Flame for authority over fire as a concept - a tool of order or an agent of chaos. no, the Frenzied Flame is also distinct. it’s not chaos in the sense of order’s antithesis, but in the more archaic sense of the primordial nothingness before creation - it claims to be part of the “One” before life existed, and wants to return everything to oblivion the giant’s flame and the black flame are just agents of death/change, and the Greater Will abhors them because it’s all about unending life if nothing else, the fact that the Fire Giant’s eyes aren’t exploding shows it’s not playing for the same team. god, could you imagine what a nightmare that would’ve been
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