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Sentinel
Jan 1, 2009

High Tech
Low Life


Cimber posted:

indiscriminate lobbing. They are not trying to hit anything specific, just get rounds downrange. Not giving a gently caress where it hits or who it hits.

This seems...like a stupid idea.

Edit: But what do i know im not part of the glorious russian army.

Sentinel fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Mar 17, 2022

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CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
CNN is saying an armed russian drone was found in Croatia this morning.

E: went looking and it's a few days old, guess it just made its way to the newscasters.

SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

CNN is saying an armed russian drone was found in Croatia this morning.

I think that they are talking about the drone that landed a few days back(13/03), nothing new in the press from Croatia

bees everywhere
Nov 19, 2002

Sentinel posted:

This seems...like a stupid idea.

Edit: But what do i know im not part of the glorious russian army.

It could be that they're just trying to get rid of their ammo as fast as possible so they can return to base before a MANPAD gets them.

"This is Buttfucker 6, we have expended all munitions and destroyed so, so many Ukrainian tanks, it was a great success, please get the hot tub ready, over."

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
Yeah. I caught it right before walking out with Frank. I didn't hear about it the other day.

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

CRUSTY MINGE posted:

Yeah. I caught it right before walking out with Frank. I didn't hear about it the other day.

Who's frank. Are you holding out on us?

Marshal Prolapse
Jun 23, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I love Arnold.

https://youtu.be/4e1BndTE6Lg

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Cimber posted:

Who's frank. Are you holding out on us?

Frank is my dog, Beans is my cat, for future reference.

Discussion Quorum
Dec 5, 2002
Armchair Philistine

bees everywhere posted:

It could be that they're just trying to get rid of their ammo as fast as possible so they can return to base before a MANPAD gets them.

"This is Buttfucker 6, we have expended all munitions and destroyed so, so many Ukrainian tanks, it was a great success, please get the hot tub ready, over."

I'm guessing "munitions expended" is a key reporting metric. Boss only cares that the rockets don't come back on the helicopter. No reason to get frisky within Stinger/Strela range.

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!

Cimber posted:

Who's frank. Are you holding out on us?
Garth's alter ego.

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018

Cimber posted:

and not giving two fucks where it lands.

that too


MA-Horus posted:

Wondering if the flare dump is an anti-MANPAD measure, I've seen CAS do it after gun runs.

Could just imagine a guy with a stinger, waiting for the perfect lock on the helo, only to fire and watch the missile take off after one of the rockets.

or because that they could say back in the base that they were under fire and had to use them

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



There's an old maxim about how the best propaganda is the truth. Truth doesn't debate your eyes or ears or logic, not your life experience, not your intelligence. It debates your feelings, and it debates the lies you've been carrying with you.

But it has another advantage as well. Truth is time efficient. There's no time needed to make it, and wrapping paper be optional before delivery. Waiting for the lies to come first so they can be fact checked, is how we got Trump. It's a mistake.
As satisfying as exposing a liar through truth is, it's surrendering one of the biggest advantages truth has.

Don't repeat things you're unsure of.
But - if you see something you can guarantee is the truth - don't second guess yourself or be scared of critics, SHOUT that poo poo.
Chances are you'll hit the bastards before they do you.



E. In a manner of speaking. Got a little philosophical about news carried through social media, and the decades experiencing the overload model of propaganda that is Putinism, and how strangely often very disparate things look like nails ripe for any single one of Clausewitz' hammers. Something something gently caress Goebbels and the evils that would deny you access to information

ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Mar 17, 2022

Hyrax Attack!
Jan 13, 2009

We demand to be taken seriously


He had an excellent interview on the nerdist (yeah I know, I know) podcast a few years ago that was supposed to be promoting the movie sabotage. He barely mentioned the movie but gave an in-depth autobiographical account of growing up in post-war Austria and moving to California, I hadn't know he had done so much investing in apartment buildings. It was interesting to hear how he was aware he was terrible in his early movies but kept taking English and acting classes to improve. I'm sure there were some omissions but overall I came away respecting him more.

winnydpu
May 3, 2007
Sugartime Jones
Its kind of interesting that they were a mixed flight, Ka-52 and Mi-28. Why wouldn't two of the same unit be flying together unless a lot of their stuff is sitting broken on the ramp waiting for repairs? Or, maybe I'm just reading too much into a short video clip...

Tuna-Fish
Sep 13, 2017

winnydpu posted:

Its kind of interesting that they were a mixed flight, Ka-52 and Mi-28. Why wouldn't two of the same unit be flying together unless a lot of their stuff is sitting broken on the ramp waiting for repairs? Or, maybe I'm just reading too much into a short video clip...
The Ka-52 has better self-defense armament, including supposedly much better aa capability, I think it's standard practice for one of them to escort the older and comparatively squishier vehicles.

Tuna-Fish fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Mar 17, 2022

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

This one hits particularly hard.

I may have seen some of those kids alive in video last week.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Tuna-Fish posted:

The Ka-28 has better self-defense armament, including supposedly much better aa capability, I think it's standard practice for one of them to escort the older and comparatively squishier vehicles.

:psyduck:

zoux
Apr 28, 2006

Platystemon posted:

This one hits particularly hard.

I may have seen some of those kids alive in video last week.

Good news in that regard
https://twitter.com/phildstewart/status/1504402863254036480

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Good. The only upside is so many of these places have REAL bomb shelters, not just a basement. :unsmith:

Tuna-Fish
Sep 13, 2017


That was one embarrassing typo, only caught from your post. Meant the 52.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
Quick follow up: there was no coup attempt in Belarus nor did China change their position yesterday, right?

Wickerman
Feb 26, 2007

Boom, mothafucka!
My understanding is that the Belarus thing was just military drills and China did promise humanitarian aid to Ukraine

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
It doesn't look like it, no. Belarus says the noises heard yesterday were supersonic aircraft.

Jiro
Jan 13, 2004


I wonder why the guy aimed right above the tank and not right AT the tank for a product video. I do love how the Javelin missile always does a little hop before it's propulsion systems activate and it shoots off.

Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

Jiro posted:

I wonder why the guy aimed right above the tank and not right AT the tank for a product video. I do love how the Javelin missile always does a little hop before it's propulsion systems activate and it shoots off.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iePl9mnSI9Q&t=39s

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

Jiro posted:

I do love how the Javelin missile always does a little hop before it's propulsion systems activate and it shoots off.

Can't have the backblast frying the operator.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Jiro posted:

I wonder why the guy aimed right above the tank and not right AT the tank for a product video. I do love how the Javelin missile always does a little hop before it's propulsion systems activate and it shoots off.

Because it has a proximity fuze for top attack mode.

Handsome Ralph
Sep 3, 2004

Oh boy, posting!
That's where I'm a Viking!


https://twitter.com/benlewismedia/status/1504048686766211073

Man, gently caress these people. Seriously.

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

You know, if they had just accepted Jesus none of this would have happened.

This is all Ukraine's fault.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Why don’t the preachers go and minister to the Russians?

Cimber
Feb 3, 2014

Platystemon posted:

Why don’t the preachers go and minister to the Russians?

Because they would get shot

Tuna-Fish
Sep 13, 2017

Naked Bear posted:

It doesn't look like it, no. Belarus says the noises heard yesterday were supersonic aircraft.

The only notable part is that this is a different excuse than the one they initially gave, but who knows what that actually means.

Jiro posted:

I wonder why the guy aimed right above the tank and not right AT the tank for a product video. I do love how the Javelin missile always does a little hop before it's propulsion systems activate and it shoots off.

Er, because that's how NLAW works. It flies over the target, and shoots a shaped charge downwards. That tank is toast.

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

Cimber posted:

You know, if they had just accepted Jesus none of this would have happened.

This is all Ukraine's fault.

If they're the hosed up kind of evangelical assholes I imagine them to be it's a blend between the people on the ground performing self-righteous "praying in public" bullshit their own book tells them not to do and the leadership smelling starving, desperate prey and pouncing like a predator.

Quackles
Aug 11, 2018

Pixels of Light.


Hang on a minute.

I just looked it up, at apparently something like 80+% of Ukrainians (at least, as of 2019) are Christian. Mostly Orthodox, unsurprisingly.

So what's the point of going there to evangelize?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Quackles posted:

Hang on a minute.

I just looked it up, at apparently something like 80+% of Ukrainians (at least, as of 2019) are Christian. Mostly Orthodox, unsurprisingly.

So what's the point of going there to evangelize?

Obviously they are the wrong sort of Christian for these sort.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

Quackles posted:

Hang on a minute.

I just looked it up, at apparently something like 80+% of Ukrainians (at least, as of 2019) are Christian. Mostly Orthodox, unsurprisingly.

So what's the point of going there to evangelize?

Anyone outside your fringe cult of choice isn't a real Christian, and Catholics and Orthodox are actually pagans.

CainFortea
Oct 15, 2004


Yea the evangelical branches of christendom do not believe orthodox or catholics are actual christians.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

CommieGIR posted:

Obviously they are the wrong sort of Christian for these sort.

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
Do Christians believe they get like, extra funbux in heaven for this kind of behavior or converting people or something? I seriously don't know, my parents let me figure religion out on my own (atheist since age 7)

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ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



Jiro posted:

I wonder why the guy aimed right above the tank and not right AT the tank for a product video. I do love how the Javelin missile always does a little hop before it's propulsion systems activate and it shoots off.

Because that's the missile, not the aim. The proximity sensor for top attack means that, in practice you aim straight at the target and fire, then this missile flies just above the tank, and at the right time fires the warhead downwards through the thin wide roof and anything beneath.

The trick to the NLAW/Rb57 and the Robot 56 predecessors is that the shaped charge isn't pointing forwards, its horizontal - down. Since it doesn't have to turn or do anything else different it has a lot of the same benefits of older AT designs - same weight class, same speed to target, same tactics. Only it kills T-90M's.

You can put it in direct flight mode if you need it to go inside a room or through a hole at the target etc

ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Mar 17, 2022

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