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https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-rumored-to-be-purging-kremlin-officials-over-ukraine-invasion-2022-3 "Putin is rumored to be purging the Kremlin of Russian officials he blames for the faltering invasion of Ukraine" Because these kinds of moves always make the war go better!
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ASAPI posted:https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-rumored-to-be-purging-kremlin-officials-over-ukraine-invasion-2022-3 Actually it might. The US did that a lot during ww2. Commanders who couldn't get the job done were sacked and people promoted.
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Mar 18, 2022 18:02
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ASAPI posted:https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-rumored-to-be-purging-kremlin-officials-over-ukraine-invasion-2022-3 Just use them to backfill all of these generals that keep dying.
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Mar 18, 2022 18:03
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Lincoln went through like a zillion generals before landing on Grant and Sherman. Still it's a sign that even Putin realizes things are going badly. If he does find a competent general that general will either tell him to retreat or make a move on the Kremlin so, go figure
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Mar 18, 2022 18:05
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Cimber posted:Actually it might. The US did that a lot during ww2. Commanders who couldn't get the job done were sacked and people promoted. Relevant watch: https://youtu.be/AxZWxxZ2JGE
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Mar 18, 2022 18:07
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Walked posted:Relevant watch: https://youtu.be/AxZWxxZ2JGE I was actually thinking of that exact video when i posted.
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Mar 18, 2022 18:08
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Cimber posted:Actually it might. The US did that a lot during ww2. Commanders who couldn't get the job done were sacked and people promoted. The US still does that routinely (especially in the Navy), but there's a big difference in what happens to them after they get fired. I saw plenty of officers get "fired" and most of them honestly deserved it. They get moved to a different job and then in most cases they leave the military since their careers are effectively over. The most humiliating reassignment I ever heard about was a lieutenant in my brigade who became the "Brigade Morale Officer" or something like that, and his job was basically to make birthday cards. He was out by the time I got there but I heard they were actually really well made, like this guy spent a few hours every day with an arts & crafts kit making elaborate & unique birthday cards for each soldier in the brigade. Maybe he got a job for Hallmark after 
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Mar 18, 2022 18:22
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I wonder if he routinely gets thanked profusely for his service.
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Mar 18, 2022 18:25
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He gets a nice card for it.
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Mar 18, 2022 18:27
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Lincoln went through like a zillion generals before landing on Grant and Sherman. Radio War Nerd podcast had a great series on the US Civil War that someone on this forum recommended and I learned a ton about just how bad McClellan was. Not just him being easy to trick and slow but how his contempt for Lincoln and admiration of the south arguably pushed him into treason territory. It was interesting to hear about how early war it wasn't unthinkable that the larger US army could have headed directly for Richmond as the CSA was still organizing but McClellan wasted so much time with a pointlessly complex naval landing that didn't go anywhere that the opportunity was lost. They also had the good point regarding the vague praise he gets for "being good at training" that the western US armies had no McClellan and somehow managed training just fine.
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Mar 18, 2022 18:30
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Getting promoted above your level of competence is one of the worse side effects of an "up or out" system.
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bees everywhere posted:The US still does that routinely (especially in the Navy), but there's a big difference in what happens to them after they get fired. The US can afford to fire/reassign high level officers because (1) they aren't sent to the Gulag when fired and (2) we don't have generals getting domed routinely in a warzone. Putin has known that this invasion isn't going well, he has known this for a while. This story when combined with all the unconfirmed stories of staffers (both civ and military) getting thrown out of the Kremlin are starting to paint a picture. I think Putin is afraid of a potential coup.
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Mar 18, 2022 18:38
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I would imagine Putin sees multiple upsides to clearing out military officials he dislikes. From the sound of the talks hr may already be willing to abandon the complete capitulation objective and instead be bracing for the eventual political blowback, or he could be looking for someone to save the campaign and carry through his objectives for the war. Likely he is shooting for both at the same time with some other additional power maintenance objectives sprinkled on.
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Mar 18, 2022 18:42
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ASAPI posted:The US can afford to fire/reassign high level officers because (1) they aren't sent to the Gulag when fired and (2) we don't have generals getting domed routinely in a warzone. Exactly what I was thinking. When you send a bad officer to make birthday cards, you're getting them out of the way and trying to improve your organization by setting consequences for poor performance. When you send a bad officer to the Gulag or "suicide" them, it's because they're a scapegoat or they were becoming too influential and therefore dangerous. Or both.
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Mar 18, 2022 18:43
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ASAPI posted:https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-rumored-to-be-purging-kremlin-officials-over-ukraine-invasion-2022-3 "stalin won didn't he?" 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Lincoln went through like a zillion generals before landing on Grant and Sherman. I certainly hope Putin's takeaway isn't "I need more Shermans" 
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Mar 18, 2022 20:05
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Alan Smithee posted:"stalin won didn't he?" All by himself. The history books said so.
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Mar 18, 2022 20:05
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Arrath posted:
Page late but just put a shower cap over your smoke detector. Or cut a hole in a cool whip lid, mount it behind the detector, and attach the bowl when you cook. Back to war, sorry to interrupt.
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Mar 18, 2022 20:06
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The cool whip tub idea is just the kind of thing that would mercilessly annoy my gf. I like it.
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Mar 18, 2022 20:11
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Most current recommendations are to remove smoke alarms from kitchens; so there is always that.
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Mar 18, 2022 20:14
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The issue is when smoke wafts out of the kitchen and into my vaulted ceiling dining/living room. Where the smoke detector is 10’ off the floor. I need to put in a real vent hood when I redo the kitchen, that’s non-negotiable.
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Mar 18, 2022 20:17
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guys guys you're gonna give away all the cooking secrets to the Russkies
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Lincoln went through like a zillion generals before landing on Grant and Sherman. In the end, they're still going to be limited by doctrine employing Soldiers with limited experience used to choosing between tactics in a limited playbook by way of math. Which isn't to say they're unable to buck doctrine, but that comes with its own challenges.
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Mar 18, 2022 20:28
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Whenever I cook onions my smoke detector goes off!
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Mar 18, 2022 20:28
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I'm pretty sure mine have formed a film over them by now, as much as I cook with screamingly hot pans.
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A.o.D. posted:Getting promoted above your level of competence is one of the worse side effects of an "up or out" system. I believe you're referring to the the Peter principle. Let me tell you, A LOT was explained about past bosses and leadership once I learned about it. I do my best to spread the gospel to my friends who are equally annoyed, not that it changes anything but at least it explains how poor managera inexplicably end up in positions of authority.
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Mar 18, 2022 20:51
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Alan Smithee posted:guys guys Yeah but they'd need food to do cooking. Bing Bong so simple
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Mar 18, 2022 20:52
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I’m so glad to see the reverse sear method for steaks in this thread. It’s the true way.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Lincoln went through like a zillion generals before landing on Grant and Sherman. I'm not really sure I'd call "three guys" a zillion. Winfield Scott was general-in-chief at the outbreak of the Civil War and he was old - he turned 75 in 1861. He retired and it went to McClellan. McClellan was cut loose to command the Army of the Potomac in the field and replaced with Henry Halleck, who turned out to be a better clerk than a soldier. Halleck became Grant's chief of staff when Grant got bumped up to general-in-chief. Unless you're talking about the revolving door of commanders of the Army of the Potomac, in which case neither Grant nor Sherman ever commanded that army.
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Churchill posted:I believe you're referring to the the Peter principle. Let me tell you, A LOT was explained about past bosses and leadership once I learned about it. I do my best to spread the gospel to my friends who are equally annoyed, not that it changes anything but at least it explains how poor managera inexplicably end up in positions of authority. Mind you, part of the Peter Principle is training I think - a lot of organizations don't invest enough in training managers on how to handle their new responsibilities, there's just the implicit assumption that "You're good, so you'll be good in charge." This may or may not apply to the army, though, and in any event one of the fundamental issues with training in leadership and management is how to teach it without devolving into meaningless consultancy buzzwords removed from real-world applications.
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Blind Rasputin posted:I’m so glad to see the reverse sear method for steaks in this thread. It’s the true way. How does it compare to sous vide
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Churchill posted:I believe you're referring to the the Peter principle. Let me tell you, A LOT was explained about past bosses and leadership once I learned about it. I do my best to spread the gospel to my friends who are equally annoyed, not that it changes anything but at least it explains how poor managera inexplicably end up in positions of authority. It's not just that, the entire premise of an American military career is that you have to seek promotion to leadership positions. This is true of both enlisted and commissioned ranks. It's not enough to find competency in a skill set as pursue that. In fact, it's detrimental to your career to do so. Not only that, but the services absolutely play favorites with what job backgrounds they choose to promote. I almost never had a first sergeant with a maintenance or even ordnance background, and never had a CSM that wasn't combat arms. I did have more than a few who were philandering drunks that thought that turning wrenches had no real value in a fighting force. Anyhow, I wasn't directly talking about the Peter principle, but the promotion system guaranteed to make it happen on a regular basis.
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Tomn posted:Mind you, part of the Peter Principle is training I think - a lot of organizations don't invest enough in training managers on how to handle their new responsibilities, there's just the implicit assumption that "You're good, so you'll be good in charge." This may or may not apply to the army, though, and in any event one of the fundamental issues with training in leadership and management is how to teach it without devolving into meaningless consultancy buzzwords removed from real-world applications. Oh the Army totally has a 'leadership is leadership ' mentality.
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freeasinbeer posted:How does it compare to sous vide It's basically the same idea
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:It's basically the same idea This. The only difference is how you get heat into the meat for the first half. Either way, you still pan sear it at the end to get that crust. Sous vide can take longer and requires a little more prep/tools, like the vacuum bag etc.
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Arrath posted:This. The only difference is how you get heat into the meat for the first half. Either way, you still pan sear it at the end to get that crust. But you can pre-prep a bunch of them in vacuum bags and stick em in the freezer which is nice.
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CainFortea posted:But you can pre-prep a bunch of them in vacuum bags and stick em in the freezer which is nice. Great point! I prefer the sous vide method myself, fire up the heater and forget it for a while and I can come sear it almost at my leisure.
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I’d say the benefit of reverse sear over sous vide is the ability to capture and harness pan drippings for sauce. Shallots, little wild mushrooms, red wine, butter and some beef broth simmered while the meat rests.. au poivre is in your future.
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A.o.D. posted:It's not just that, the entire premise of an American military career is that you have to seek promotion to leadership positions. This is true of both enlisted and commissioned ranks. It's not enough to find competency in a skill set as pursue that. In fact, it's detrimental to your career to do so. Not only that, but the services absolutely play favorites with what job backgrounds they choose to promote. I almost never had a first sergeant with a maintenance or even ordnance background, and never had a CSM that wasn't combat arms. Removing the Army specialist track was a mistake and I'll die on this hill. Warrant officer has somewhat taken up the slack on that but ripping out the concept root and stem then grafting a poor replacement back on has damaged the cultural concept. Now instead of having actual skilled professionals everything is contracted out to sub-contracting contractors with sub-sub-contracted agencies and so on.
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Ukraine: I prefer my Russian soldiers flame-broiled — We know Azov are nazis k thx
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