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Falukorv posted:This is typical among family and friends i meet in Portugal (and less so in Sweden where i live). Maybe more common in "warmer" mediterranean cultures? People get dressed and stand by the door to leave, you kiss goodbye but then they just hang around for 15 minutes talking but since you already kissed/shaked hands you just leave when the conversation ends without a second parting gesture.
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I think folks not knowing when to Wrap It Up is a universal human trait. Surprisingly, many people do not have the "I've been at this party exactly two hours, time to leave" biological clock in their heads.
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Wipfmetz posted:What? Did he use hydrogen as fuel for the burner? Or was the balloon filled with hydrogen AND he put a burner underneath? Yep, the paint was basically thermite.
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exquisite tea posted:I think folks not knowing when to Wrap It Up is a universal human trait. Surprisingly, many people do not have the "I've been at this party exactly two hours, time to leave" biological clock in their heads. There's also entire schools of etiquette about being modest and indirectly communicating, which gets rather frustrating for the neurodivergent who aren't actively taught this poo poo and thus stumble through life never knowing when they've gravely offended people as a result. There's a reason so many fairy tales, gruesome myths and horror movies are about violating some unknown rule of a creature that can do terrible things to you as punishment.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:There's also entire schools of etiquette about being modest and indirectly communicating, which gets rather frustrating for the neurodivergent who aren't actively taught this poo poo and thus stumble through life never knowing when they've gravely offended people as a result. There's a reason so many fairy tales, gruesome myths and horror movies are about violating some unknown rule of a creature that can do terrible things to you as punishment. wait, who are the fairies
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Alhazred posted:At least in rural parts of Norway it's really common for people to say that they're really busy and only have time for one small coffee and then stay for several hours. my faroese relatives absolutely do this "no no we have to go, we have to go, J wants to go fishing & S is gonna meet up with a friend later, also i have a bunch of yard work to do just one more småkage also by the way, if you need any of the stuff from &c &c." so it takes like 2 hrs minimum before they get off their rear end lol its koseligt tho
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Also I feel like I just read about the discovery of the last campsite from one of these expeditions on some islet off Svalbard or Kola, but I can't remember the right keywords to find it again. Like, they found it within the last 5 years or so?
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Carthag Tuek posted:my faroese relatives absolutely do this Something that happened to my parents: They were at the cabin and a neighbor dropped by, just to say hi, several hours later he says: "Well, I guess I have to give the wife a call. She's probably wondering where I'm at and I left the phone on the tractor." Alhazred has a new favorite as of 18:25 on Mar 18, 2022 |
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Alhazred posted:Something that happened to my parents: They were at the cabin and a neighbor dropped by, just to say hi, several hours later he says: "Well, I guess I have to give the wife a call. She's probably wondering where I'm at and I left the phone on the tractor." lol when I was 10-12-ish I went to a friends house after class out in the farmlands & forgot to let grandma know (on the rotary phone) (my parents were out so she was looking after us). Anyway, I realized I should get home before dinner so I said bye to my friend and walked the 7-8 km. I figured it usually only takes a couple hours, but this was one of the few real snowy winter years we had in Denmark & the route is just flat open farmland so there's nothing stopping wind. Jeans & a windbreaker don't isolate much. Poor grandma nearly died from worry. She'd called all my friends until she got hold of the one I had been at, and his mom was like "yeah he left 3 hours ago". I think it ended up taking 4 hours. I was fine, but cold as hell. There was a freedom before cell phones, but probably also more kids died. Who's to say if that's good or bad? Carthag Tuek has a new favorite as of 19:14 on Mar 18, 2022 |
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Mar 18, 2022 19:09
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It was a good thing
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Gaius Marius posted:It was a good thing my dad used to bike like 15-20 kms out with his friends and play in bogs. if anyone fell in there, thered be no way to get help in time lol
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Mar 18, 2022 19:18
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Leaving without saying bye is called "the Irish goodbye", but it's "French leave" in Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish. It's "English leave" in Russian, and "Polish exit" in German.
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in one of my friend groups we just call it "doing a [james]" cause one time he left without saying goodbye or putting on his shoes, just walked home in socks.
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Carthag Tuek posted:Also I feel like I just read about the discovery of the last campsite from one of these expeditions on some islet off Svalbard or Kola, but I can't remember the right keywords to find it again. Like, they found it within the last 5 years or so? You might be thinking of the aforementioned swedish balloon expedition. No one heard or saw anything from them for thirty years, until by chance someone found their final camp in Svalbard, including a camera with pictures documenting their crash and subsequent slow demise. https://www.donttakepictures.com/dtp-blog/2019/2/28/the-lost-photographs-of-salomon-andres-north-pole-hot-air-balloon-expedition
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catfry posted:You might be thinking of the aforementioned swedish balloon expedition. No one heard or saw anything from them for thirty years, until by chance someone found their final camp in Svalbard, including a camera with pictures documenting their crash and subsequent slow demise. Yeah that's definitely it. I wonder why there was an article in a Danish newspapers about it then. I got the impression that it was some recent discovery, but those are from 30 years later than the 1897 expedition date e: must be crossed wires. back when this whole "onrail" started, I remember thinking I should look up that article cause it had some "new info", but then I forgot about it and now I just searched the newspaper archives and I got nothing. Carthag Tuek has a new favorite as of 19:41 on Mar 18, 2022 |
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Yeah, i know what you mean. I also vaguely remember some article or something within the last couple of years, but I can't find anything either.
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Carthag Tuek posted:in one of my friend groups we just call it "doing a [james]" cause one time he left without saying goodbye or putting on his shoes, just walked home in socks. lol
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Classic James
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Chamale posted:Leaving without saying bye is called "the Irish goodbye", but it's "French leave" in Italian, Portuguese, and Spanish. It's "English leave" in Russian, and "Polish exit" in German. Rather like how syphilis was known as the French/Italian/Spanish pox?
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Fighting Trousers posted:Rather like how syphilis was known as the French/Italian/Spanish pox? ahem, you mean English
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Both me and my brother were notorious in our shared friend group for vanishing from parties. It was widely referred to as "Doing a Connolly*" Weirdly enough, we're all Irish, so apparently we were even more severe a case of it than our compatriots. Can't speak for my brother, but I've always been an early riser, even when massively hungover, and I hate waiting around for other people to get up. I used to walk 5-6 miles home at 6 o'clock in the morning rather than wait for other people to get up. *not our actual name
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I apparently tend to do an Irish goodbye at parties. I have a few vague memory of realizing that I'm too drunk and sneaking out because I don't want to bother anyone.
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Okay, back to odd historical poo poo. In 1861, on the tiny Danish island of Bågø, a church was to be build, some of the funds came from the government, some from the local residents on the island and some of it, mostly to pay for the priest, came from Karl Wilhelm Adam Sigismund lensgreve Wedell-(Wedellsborg), a magnate, but not a local one. In fact, his estate isn't on the island of Bågø, it's on the "mainland" (Actually the large island of Fyn, but the mainland is the best term here), due north of the island itself. And the church, is oddly located, normally Danish churches are in the middle of small towns, makes some sense, it's a local social and spiritual spot, but Bågø Church is in the northern part of the village, on the very edge of it, there's absolutely NOTHING north of the church itself. Can you guess it? Yes, the loving count paid all that money, so he could tell them to build the church on the northern side, so he could see the lights of the church from his estate. He paid a lot of money, just to improve the view from his estate. Sure, there might be some religion there too, but probably more just the view.
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I recall a story of a guy (in Germany, perhaps) who was pissed about all the trees blocking the view from his castle. So he ordered them all cut down. Along with the trees went all the birds, and the resulting swarm of insects made the castle almost uninhabitable.
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RagnarokZ posted:Okay, back to odd historical poo poo. lmao that is so petty, "nobody can build north of here". loving rich people. Some general context: Denmark is ostensibly church/state-separated since 1848, but there are and have been a lot of weird edge cases. Originally, the Catholic church owned the churches and in turn the land around them, etc. During the reformation in 1536, the crown assumed ownership of all of it, but land was still owned by the parish church or whatever. The basic structure was the same except the top was switched out from the pope to the king. Also everything was still accounted in kind, so a certain farm was obliged to pay 4 lambs and 3 eggs or whatever to the local church. The other farms paid to the king, or some local capitalist. You know the system. Because priests were old and nerdy, the churches also had a warden, whose job was accounting, upkeep etc. It's a business: You have to pay for candles, wafers & wine, grave diggers, but you also get money from the tithe & mensal farms. So beginning in 1536 and escalating wildly by 1848, you'll find all these psychos buying & selling the rights to tithe or the wardenship of churches like they were NFTs. Depending on the church & the period, it could be a pretty good deal, also you go to heaven maybe? Around the state bankruptcy & hyperinflation up to 1814, you'll even find farmers banding together to buy the tithing rights off the church or the lord, essentially freeing them from that "tax". I'm not sure when the last private wardenship was ended (all churches are now "owned" by the congregations, but upkept by the state), but I figure it was probably about the same as the fiefs in 1919. e: Oh also we still had corvée in some places into the late 1800s, though usually you could exchange the forced labor for a set amount of cash so it was more like a tax by then.
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quote:Along with the trees went all the birds, and the resulting swarm of insects made the castle almost uninhabitable.
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Every new year festival the king of Babylon had to go to the temple of Marduk. There he knelt in front of his statue, the high priest stripped him of his regalia and the king had to swear that he had been a fair and just ruler. After that the priest slapped the king really hard in the face. It was important that he was slapped hard enough to cry or the gods would be upset and the king would not get back his regalia.
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lol imagine being the high priest and just having a slap-training regimen just to make sure you're in peak slapping condition for festival day. then imagine being the king and then seeing the high priest getting ready and knowing what's coming.
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Just busting out a Ric Flair-style "WOOOOOO" as I rattle the teeth of my supreme monarch, shattering capillaries with religious zeal.
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Deteriorata posted:I recall a story of a guy (in Germany, perhaps) who was pissed about all the trees blocking the view from his castle. So he ordered them all cut down. There's a more modern one of the American whose life dream was to live in a castle, and bought one in Wales to retire in. Unsurprisingly, 400+ year old castles were not built to modern standards of comfort, and it's pretty drafty and miserable to live in one in the Welsh climate. Guy hires an architectural firm with experience in working on old historic register listed places to see what they could do by way of insulation, plumbing, electricity, HVAC etc. The estimate comes back at something like ~10x the original purchase price to do everything legally and lawfully within code. The owner then asks for a split out of what it would take to do just central heating, and it's about half of the estimate, still 5x what the guy paid for the property to begin with. The owner gets snippy with the estimator, thinking he's getting ripped off. Estimator explains that is the going rate for such sensitive work on a huge scale, and retorts, "you can't have archaic and heat it too"
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Boo this man! Boooooo!
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Alhazred posted:Every new year festival the king of Babylon had to go to the temple of Marduk. There he knelt in front of his statue, the high priest stripped him of his regalia and the king had to swear that he had been a fair and just ruler. After that the priest slapped the king really hard in the face. It was important that he was slapped hard enough to cry or the gods would be upset and the king would not get back his regalia. Man, they should have stayed with the Sumerian tradition where the king had to gently caress a priestess in front of the whole city every new year to re-enact the sacred marriage between Inanna and Dumuzi.
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Carthag Tuek posted:lmao that is so petty, "nobody can build north of here". loving rich people. Another stupid Danish fact! Thanks to the efforts of a single man, Johan Exner, 1100 Danish Churches had their surroundings protected against change, thanks to this one bored Danish priest. So if you look on a map over Danish protected areas: https://fredningsnaevn.dk/kort-over-fredninger/ You will see little random areas in most small towns, most of them are the result of Exner essentially decided that he didn't want ugly sheds near Churches, this also means that you can't build anything tall near Church without a poo poo ton of paperwork and permissions. And just to make it even dumber, the Churches themselves aren't usually protected, it's just the surroundings.
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I suppose most older Danish churches are covered by the Bygningsfredningsloven anyway, no? Anyway I think a side-effect of this is that apparently, congregations or dioceses (or whatever they're called under evangelical lutheranism) have a say for some pretty wide areas even outside those covered in the map above. There's been a couple cases in the news recently where proposed windfarms have been shot down by local nimbys via the church. Govt. is looking into curtailing those rights. Also gently caress a bunch of that. Speaking of corvée (hoveri), the accountings for royally held areas of Denmark contain meticulous yearly registers of how many men, horses, wagons, etc were provided, on which dates, etc. Unfortunately there are rarely names, but it's a good indicator of the "health" of a given parish through time. I usually skip them, as I am more interested in genealogy than general history. Anyway, I was reading about the Great Northern War (1700–20), in which the perfidious Swedes assaulted Denmark on August 4, 1700 (Swedish date was July 25, we switched to the Gregorian calendar before they did). They landed by ship near a small fishing hamlet called Humlebæk. Runners had alerted the Danes, but even though the Danes voluntold the local farmers and fishermen to help repel them, the Swedes gained a foothold and marched on Copenhagen. One of my ancestors, a fisherman, died in that first battle. Those fuckers  I basically just had a single sentence saying that someone else took over his copyhold, so I was looking for more detail on it & decided to dig into the corvée. It turns out that, following the battle/skirmish, the Swedes voluntold the locals to provide wagons for their gear, hay for their horses, etc. What surprised me is that this was apparently considered valid corvée by the Danish authorities, and the accountings reflect that. They're p much like "yeah these peasants have paid their dues". I would've expected them to be like "lol gently caress you, get to work"
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RagnarokZ posted:Another stupid Danish fact! What happens when the church gets destroyed - do the protected areas disappear?
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canis minor posted:What happens when the church gets destroyed - do the protected areas disappear? my impression is theyre separate from the church building & instead they apply to the land, so probably not some of it seems to be covered by regular zoning laws which often include "dont build too tall right on the property line" (tbf those laws might be later?). also idk if the the numbers are different (like is it 1 story vs 2 or?)
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Carthag Tuek posted:What surprised me is that this was apparently considered valid corvée by the Danish authorities, and the accountings reflect that. They're p much like "yeah these peasants have paid their dues". I would've expected them to be like "lol gently caress you, get to work" Yeah that is a surprisingly even handed approach.
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Carthag Tuek posted:Anyway, I was reading about the Great Northern War (1700–20), in which the perfidious Swedes assaulted Denmark on August 4, 1700 (Swedish date was July 25, we switched to the Gregorian calendar before they did). They landed by ship near a small fishing hamlet called Humlebæk. Runners had alerted the Danes, but even though the Danes voluntold the local farmers and fishermen to help repel them, the Swedes gained a foothold and marched on Copenhagen. One of my ancestors, a fisherman, died in that first battle. Those fuckers  how strange. Our notes says it started February 11 when you's attacked (swedish) Livonia aka Latvia, besieged Riga, and invaded (technically cousins, but de facto yep, still us) Holstein-Gottorp.I will forgive you when I want to. Which is never
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ThisIsJohnWayne posted:
payback from 1678 bi5ch 
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