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Pilchenstein posted:Ted Rall has to be among the least effective propagandists who have ever lived and no amount of Russian money behind him will make his terribly drawn "America bad" worse than any of the poo poo we regularly see in this thread demonising trans people, to give just one example. what if his role was to discredit russian propagandists  e: much as i discredit snipes
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As bad as Rall is I don't think having him in the thread is any more harmful that say, Branco, staff cartoonist for fascism weekly.
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Mar 19, 2022 01:04
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Yeah I don't think there's a harm in Ted either. He's extremely inept but if we considered competence a requirement this thread wouldn't exist
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Mar 19, 2022 01:06
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oh we should definitely get a rat-man who is thoroughly despised by his peers and audience alike to do state propaganda. it's so devious nobody will ever expect it. leftist groups will be rendered incapable of doing anything but argue among themselves over who hates ted rall the most
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Raised By Birds posted:Lisa Benson Kellies Nomination: Worst Label (I scrolled and I don't think anybody said it yet?!)
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VitalSigns posted:And happily his first act as PM was to sack the guy who was in charge of the defense of Norway: First Lord of the Admiralty Winston Churchill That's not how that works. That's not anything works.
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Mar 19, 2022 01:42
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Wait, I thought Carmen was supposed to be the last principled person in politics, now she's openly admitting she's only running to get perks?
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Mar 19, 2022 01:50
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Oh gently caress's sake are they back to this
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Mar 19, 2022 02:23
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 "Creeping Authoritarianism in Canada"
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Mar 19, 2022 02:28
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Vib Rib posted:Oh gently caress's sake are they back to this And it should surprise nobody that Lester's claim is false. There's still zero proof that the laptop is Hunter Biden's, since the information supposedly obtained from it could have been obtained from other sources. Of course none of this matters to right wingers who will instead just assert that everything they said was totally true.
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Mar 19, 2022 02:49
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Pilchenstein posted:Ted Rall has to be among the least effective propagandists who have ever lived and no amount of Russian money behind him will make his terribly drawn "America bad" worse than any of the poo poo we regularly see in this thread demonising trans people, to give just one example. But it's not an issue unique to Rall; most of the US left cartoonists have an issue with saying how everything sucks and will continue to suck harder so why bother with anything. It's really not a great message to be sending out.
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Mar 19, 2022 03:18
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It’s a mark of the cynicism of the early 90s era when his brain crystalized. If you look at Life is Hell or other weekly freebie stuff from the same period, it’s all got that general feel. There wasn’t even really a left to speak of in that period and it seemed like the end of history would just leave the world in neoliberal stasis forever, and he’s still living there. It’s why I have a hard time believing he’s actively collaborating with anyone to coordinate on a particular message. He’s a man out of time along with being so narcissistic and lazy.
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Mar 19, 2022 03:31
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Zelensky is getting your babies killed? AGC...?
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Clay Bennett Steve Breen  Chris Britt  Tim Campbell  Stuart Carlson  Jeff Danziger  Al Goodwyn  Walt Handelsman  Clay Jones  Steve Kelley  Michael Ramirez  Marshall Ramsey  Rob Rogers  A rare miss from The Bee. Drew Sheneman  Dana Summers  Gary Varvel  Tony Branco  quote:Snooze You Lose: Because Biden neglected his duties as leader of the Free World that position could be easily filled.
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Mar 19, 2022 04:02
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Raised By Birds posted:Steve Breen Raised By Birds posted:Tony Branco
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Mar 19, 2022 04:25
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"Darn that Putin snake! He blew up my tiny campaign headquarters because I was annoying! Where is he?" "Committing war crimes." "If only I were in congress, I could get free hair cuts!" Super great that Stantis' commentary on Ukraine consists of some snake showing up for two strips to be mean to his characters for no reason before loving off so that they could whine about it. Rall levels of self absorption.
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Mar 19, 2022 04:49
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Trapezium Dave posted:The part of Rall's cartoons that makes me a little uneasy posting him here is the constant theme that democracy is worthless and No True Leftist should meaningfully engage, with the only alternative seemingly being to shitpost on the internet. Particularly because by posting it here I might be tripling his viewership. Hirschmann describes it as the rhetoric of futility; a counterfactual argument against any form of social improvement that ruins discussion or engagement. He identified it in the emerging dittohead movement, but also described how it functioned among nominal progressives because it let them dismiss any possibility of improvement because it was less than the perfect outcome or reflected some compromise with reality or other polities. It's also an explicit part of the goal of the overall Russian propaganda model. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Mar 20, 2022 |
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Mar 19, 2022 05:37
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Vib Rib posted:Oh gently caress's sake are they back to this Some "reporter" in the Whitehouse press briefing yesterday asked if Biden there is a conflict of interest in the sanctions, cause his son has allegedly got millions from Moscow. Same questions about China also. Guess they are bringing it back
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Mar 19, 2022 06:49
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I can’t any article from the NYT saying it was real, just 100 articles from right-wing news rags for some weird reason. Also, lol at Fishman being like “Canada is creeping towards Authoritarianism, so they will definitely have emergency powers still in place two weeks from now.”
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Mar 19, 2022 08:21
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So does Branco think that Leader of the Free World is just a title they give out like Times' Person of the Year?
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Mar 19, 2022 08:42
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Frostyhawk posted:So does Branco think that Leader of the Free World is just a title they give out like Times' Person of the Year? I hate to defend Branco but the "leader of the free world" office and desk in his cartoon is a metaphor for the title which, if not official, is often used colloquially to refer to the US president. His cartoon is saying that Zelenskyy is showing such good leadership and Biden such poor leadership that the former has taken the title from the latter Anyway, let's just do a roll call here ✔️ bloody hands ✔️ empty thought bubble ✔️ sippy cup ✔️ Obamaprompter hot drat another full house
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Sorry I missed the whole discussion but I appreciate it. For me Rall is a propagandist since he works for a state apparatus. Descends Vox explains it better. Rall’s been one for as long as he’s been working for the Russian media. It suits his contrarian ways but it is even more blatant at the moment since everyone is pretty universal in condemning the war. The conservative shits we get otherwise are propaganda in a conventional sense of pushing an ideology but not in a semantic sense since the state apparatus isn’t involved. I personally would call something like the BBC propaganda due to the way that it’s funded. As with anything it doesn’t mean you outright ignore it but you have to be aware of the biases at play. We used to get the odd English language Chinese cartoonist. I wonder what they’re take is.
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Mar 19, 2022 09:08
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Canada: White people are allowed to go on a crime spree for three weeks, then asked to stop and arrested if they carry on for forty-eight hours past that mark. US: Several states are currently in the process of outlawing gay people, trans people, abortions and assorted healthcare for women, and voting if you're black, with approximately zero federal pushback. Conclusion: As a cishet white dude, only the former can be counted as authoritarian.
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kartikeya posted:"Darn that Putin snake! He blew up my tiny campaign headquarters because I was annoying! Where is he?" Remember how they dealt with the refugee at the border, where they handed her over to the border guard so she could get help with processing... She hasn't given a gently caress for a long time.
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PowerBeard posted:Remember how they dealt with the refugee at the border, where they handed her over to the border guard so she could get help with processing... lol, it was even less effort than that. The two just stood there being vaguely concerned for a strip or two (the refugee was a hand literally reaching out to them for help the whole time) until the border guard showed up and hauled the refugee off with nary a protest from them. The most passive, useless protagonist lumps in any cartoon that has ever been drawn since the beginning of human existence.
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Mar 19, 2022 10:36
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There was another refugee arc involving a little girl in a ni'qab, who was also unceremoniously dropped once Stantis realized he couldn't possibly make his self-insert the good guy; maybe that was the one that had them actively hand her over to the border patrol?
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Pants Donkey posted:I can’t any article from the NYT saying it was real, just 100 articles from right-wing news rags for some weird reason. I checked Google News because I was curious and wanted to see the non-right wing news sources for the story, and the top result was this Washington Post article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/03/18/forgotten-and-ignored-context-emergence-hunter-biden-laptop-story/ The article links this New York Times story: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/16/us/politics/hunter-biden-tax-bill-investigation.html This part about 2/3 of the way down seems to be the basis for the right wing cartoons about "NYT admits the Hunter Biden laptop story was true!" quote:People familiar with the investigation said prosecutors had examined emails between Mr. Biden, Mr. Archer and others about Burisma and other foreign business activity. Those emails were obtained by The New York Times from a cache of files that appears to have come from a laptop abandoned by Mr. Biden in a Delaware repair shop. The email and others in the cache were authenticated by people familiar with them and with the investigation. As the Washington Post article says, there's still a lot of unanswered questions about the whole thing, and the entire reason that the NYT didn't report on the files originally was because the origin of them seemed sketchy and they were trying to avoid falling into a disinformation campaign trap. kartikeya posted:lol, it was even less effort than that. The two just stood there being vaguely concerned for a strip or two (the refugee was a hand literally reaching out to them for help the whole time) until the border guard showed up and hauled the refugee off with nary a protest from them. The most passive, useless protagonist lumps in any cartoon that has ever been drawn since the beginning of human existence. Here is the entire arc, I only remembered where it was because I was looking up a post in last year's thread the other week and I remembered I'd quoted the last strip from this sequence. Oh yeah, for context, this sequence of strips ran in mid-October. I only mention this because about two weeks before that, there was the video of a border patrol agent on a horse whipping a Haitian immigrant with his reins.    
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Raised By Birds posted:Rob Rogers Aside from the USSR/Russia confusion, that's not a hammer and sickle so much as it's a sickle with a hammer-shaped protrusion on the blade.
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Twelve by Pies posted:Here is the entire arc, I only remembered where it was because I was looking up a post in last year's thread the other week and I remembered I'd quoted the last strip from this sequence. holy poo poo did they think they were making some kind of deep statement by not showing the person's face at all? did they put any thought into if this was a good idea? do they ever think about anything ever?
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I hate to defend Branco but the "leader of the free world" office and desk in his cartoon is a metaphor for the title which, if not official, is often used colloquially to refer to the US president. His cartoon is saying that Zelenskyy is showing such good leadership and Biden such poor leadership that the former has taken the title from the latter ✔️ circling fly Hadn't seen that one in a while! That was an Obama thing, right? Prism fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Mar 19, 2022 |
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I wonder if there's a Russian version of Rall. A guy who makes antiwar cartoons and criticizes Putin and his own government's lies and hypocrisies, and even though he's kinda incompetent at it there's a Russian language cartoon forum somewhere where everyone's flipping out that he's a spy and a NATO propagandist and a blame-Russia-first fifth columnist etc
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VitalSigns posted:I wonder if there's a Russian version of Rall. I don't know if you've noticed, but Russia has a slightly different approach to critical media than North America and the rest of Europe. Also the American government is usually much less subtle in its way of destabilising countries.
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It'd fit the Dugin model of propaganda to pay a Rall grade hack to be the only anti-Putin voice given a wide audience.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Wait was he not full sovcit before? JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I hate to defend Branco but the "leader of the free world" office and desk in his cartoon is a metaphor for the title which, if not official, is often used colloquially to refer to the US president. His cartoon is saying that Zelenskyy is showing such good leadership and Biden such poor leadership that the former has taken the title from the latter
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I hope Garrison gets tased repeatedly, that is an activity all SovCits should experience.
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By popular demand posted:I hope Garrison gets tased repeatedly, that is an activity all SovCits should experience. He should try it on himself. Maybe his balls
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Sovcit stuff is always my favorite type of crazy because it's always something like "TOM of the family JONES avoided paying onerous taxes to THE QUEEN WHO OWNS ALL by sending a higgldy-piggledy to the Mayor of London on the seventeenth moon of their eclisiastic cycle. And it worked! Except for the fact that they were arrested, and jailed, and forced to pay the back taxes, and the fines, and were kicked in the balls for biting a bailiff and screaming that he just sucked out his soul. Buy my book for $49.99 plus $200 shipping and handling to lean my secret about how you, too, can never pay taxes again" and the first word out of their loving mouth is always "Do you take checks, or should I just send you the deed to my house?"
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That was a good Rall. Thank you Rall.
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