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davecrazy posted:Isn't their still an insurgency there? Assad must a) feel fairly secure in his ability to deal with it and b) feeling a ton of pressure of Putin for support, perhaps to the point that Putin's displeasure is an existential threat.
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After reading that article, sounds like Putin straight up owns Assad and if he didn't participate, Putin would have him killed and then his replacement would cooperate.
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Sounds like a good time for Turkey to increase the size of their forces there.
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Mr. Nice! posted:Looks like the representative from georgia has been reading c-spam: https://www.salon.com/2022/03/17/marjorie-taylor-greene-says-ukraine-should-give-up_partner/ This was a much better argument 3 weeks ago, when russian victory seemed much more plausible. (Not that it was ever a good argument, mind)
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davecrazy posted:Isn't their still an insurgency there? It’s a frozen conflict. Islamist militants hold the border area with Turkey but don’t have the capability to credibly threaten Damascus or take new territory; Assad can’t retake Idlib on his own. The regime was seriously in danger of falling until Russia stepped in back in 2015, which allowed Assad to prop himself back up and gradually retake Aleppo and other cities. Militancy still pops up here and there, especially in Dara’s (where the revolution began) but it’s a different conflict these days. But man- this war must be going terribly if Putin wants Syrian soldiers. They’re not going to be much use beyond having some Russian commissar tell them to pop their head up and check if that sniper is still hanging around.
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It's been a few generations since Syria fought with another army directly, but don't they have a reputation from the 60s and 70s for being basically worthless on the battlefield?
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:It's been a few generations since Syria fought with another army directly, but don't they have a reputation from the 60s and 70s for being basically worthless on the battlefield? In the 60’s and 70’s America was putting people on the moon, that was 60 years ago.
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Mariupol continues to fall. Has been a brutal block by block fight. https://twitter.com/ralee85/status/1505090161792757764?s=21
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pantslesswithwolves posted:But man- this war must be going terribly if Putin wants Syrian soldiers. They’re not going to be much use beyond having some Russian commissar tell them to pop their head up and check if that sniper is still hanging around. I saw it mentioned somewhere else that Russia allegedly wants to use them to help hold terrain they've already captured. I'm sure a lot of them will desert and claim asylum in Europe at the first chance.
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mlmp08 posted:Mariupol continues to fall. Has been a brutal block by block fight. They looking for Nazi tats?
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davecrazy posted:Isn't their still an insurgency there? The active war phase is basically over. What's left is negotiations with an occasional flareup.
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FrozenVent posted:They looking for Nazi tats? I can only assume. Azov is big into tattoos, so if fighters are trying to escape among civilians, I can imagine Russians detaining them or making them disappear.
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FrozenVent posted:They looking for Nazi tats? Sounds like they're searching for Azovs
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Can't wait for Putin to arm the Syrians with Mosins.
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Wasn't Azov down to something like 900 actual dudes at the start of this conflict?
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I'm sure those guys who've spent their whole lives in a desert climate will adapt just fine and rapidly to a eastern European spring.CRUSTY MINGE posted:Can't wait for Putin to arm the Syrians with Mosins.
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We're now in the second book of the first trilogy, right? The one where all the characters are pretty much developed and not much happens beyond a depressing grinding war of attrition?
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Maybe after the fall of Mariupol.
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Nuclear Tourist posted:So in the most recent cruise missile volley on Lviv there were supposedly 4 missiles, of which the Ukrainians claimed to have shot down two. What type of kit do they have that can shoot down cruise missiles? I know they fly pretty low, but wouldn't they be too small/fast for manpads? Tunguskas or captured Pantsirs? I believe cruise missiles fly mostly subsonic, for example for the Russian Kalibr only some variants have supersonic capability during terminal phase. So shouldn't be too fast for MANPADS during most of the flight. And the couple videos of cruise missiles in mid flight I've seen from Ukraine don't look like they would be flying too low. It easier over the sea, but a land-variant needs to keep away from the treetops. MANPADS use IR missiles, so the size of the cruise missile doesn't really matter, unlike with radar missiles, as long as the engine puts out enough heat to lock on to. This is the biggest question for me. But assuming that modern MANPADS are capable of engaging planes from frontal aspect, then I would expect cruise missile engine to be hot enough from the rear at least. Last question is if the cruise missile would be in view long enough to engage it with MANPADS. But if the operator is on a roof at tree top level I would think it would be perfectly possible to have enough time to attack a cruise missile.
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A.o.D. posted:Wasn't Azov down to something like 900 actual dudes at the start of this conflict? Something like that. The actual nazi party representation in Ukraine's parliament has decreased since 2014 as well. According to Putin, anyone anti-russian is a nazi. They don't actually care about white supremacists.
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Nuclear Tourist posted:So in the most recent cruise missile volley on Lviv there were supposedly 4 missiles, of which the Ukrainians claimed to have shot down two. What type of kit do they have that can shoot down cruise missiles? I know they fly pretty low, but wouldn't they be too small/fast for manpads? Tunguskas or captured Pantsirs? https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1505187324791074822?s=20&t=T1jvqc_rsc-7J3Ps59bMEQ
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A.o.D. posted:Wasn't Azov down to something like 900 actual dudes at the start of this conflict? They're not a reason to hesitate for a second in supporting Ukrainians as they defend their homes. The biggest counterweight to Azov's potential to metastasize is probably Zelensky himself, who's offering a very prominent alternative around which to rally.
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Saukkis posted:I believe cruise missiles fly mostly subsonic, for example for the Russian Kalibr only some variants have supersonic capability during terminal phase. So shouldn't be too fast for MANPADS during most of the flight. And the couple videos of cruise missiles in mid flight I've seen from Ukraine don't look like they would be flying too low. It easier over the sea, but a land-variant needs to keep away from the treetops. MANPADS use IR missiles, so the size of the cruise missile doesn't really matter, unlike with radar missiles, as long as the engine puts out enough heat to lock on to. This is the biggest question for me. But assuming that modern MANPADS are capable of engaging planes from frontal aspect, then I would expect cruise missile engine to be hot enough from the rear at least. Probably S-300 or SA-11 if they did intercept cruise missiles. It is technically possible to hit a cruise missile with MANPADS but it takes nearly perfect circumstances and a bit of luck. The limitation is less the seeker head itself and more the operator seeing the low flying missile and getting the shot off with the proper kinematics to make an intercept in time.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1505187324791074822?s=20&t=T1jvqc_rsc-7J3Ps59bMEQ The last I saw of it, the Kunetszov was trying really hard to sink itself.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1505187324791074822?s=20&t=T1jvqc_rsc-7J3Ps59bMEQ This twitter account routinely posts bullshit.
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Saukkis posted:I believe cruise missiles fly mostly subsonic, for example for the Russian Kalibr only some variants have supersonic capability during terminal phase. So shouldn't be too fast for MANPADS during most of the flight. And the couple videos of cruise missiles in mid flight I've seen from Ukraine don't look like they would be flying too low. It easier over the sea, but a land-variant needs to keep away from the treetops. MANPADS use IR missiles, so the size of the cruise missile doesn't really matter, unlike with radar missiles, as long as the engine puts out enough heat to lock on to. This is the biggest question for me. But assuming that modern MANPADS are capable of engaging planes from frontal aspect, then I would expect cruise missile engine to be hot enough from the rear at least. Speaking of which - I've just seen a twitter video supposedly of a hypersonic missile being used for the first time...
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mlmp08 posted:Probably S-300 or SA-11 if they did intercept cruise missiles. It is technically possible to hit a cruise missile with MANPADS but it takes nearly perfect circumstances and a bit of luck. The limitation is less the seeker head itself and more the operator seeing the low flying missile and getting the shot off with the proper kinematics to make an intercept in time. Yeah, this is basically my take on it. Even if you've got an early warning network cueing you in on where to look it's gonna be really hard to visually acquire something the size of a cruise missile with enough time to shoot it. Tactical SAM systems like the SA-11 are designed with cruise missiles in mind as a target set. One thing that might make a lucky MANPADS shot easier is if Russia is using the same routing for multiple missiles, which gives a MANPADS operator some opportunity to get a sense of what to look for and where. Kind of like what happened with the F-117 that got shot down.
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Roblo posted:Speaking of which - I've just seen a twitter video supposedly of a hypersonic missile being used for the first time... I can't imagine they have too many of those, and they must be horribly expensive. I'm also sure they really didn't want to have to use those and reveal their performance to the west.
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Cimber posted:I can't imagine they have too many of those, and they must be horribly expensive. Russia's defense ministry is saying they fired one at an underground bunker. https://www.theguardian.com/world/l...f081efd3276f8d5
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mlmp08 posted:This twitter account routinely posts bullshit. He's Ukrainian, in Kyiv right now, and embedded with the army there, so while I'd say take the usual fog of war + nationalism grains of salt I haven't seen a whole lot of outright bullshit from him.
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KitConstantine posted:He's Ukrainian, in Kyiv right now, and embedded with the army there, so while I'd say take the usual fog of war + nationalism grains of salt I haven't seen a whole lot of outright bullshit from him.  https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1505116181933563908?s=20&t=RE2FqnZXBXSKzDiY6Vlaxw
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mlmp08 posted:This twitter account routinely posts bullshit. I bet you tell people the Ghost of Kyiv isn't real
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I bet you tell people the Ghost of Kyiv isn't real https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynJc0YZkA3k
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Can we not post  of war crimes?(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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A colleague of mine is in Ukraine and published an article on the mix of people joining the Ukrainian Foreign Legion. It confirms a lot of Jack Murphy’s feelings about fighting another countries wars. https://twitter.com/TaskandPurpose/status/1504988566421745664?s=20&t=V1NLXGk-xO7ctu7bs4uPcw
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KitConstantine posted:He's Ukrainian, in Kyiv right now, and embedded with the army there, so while I'd say take the usual fog of war + nationalism grains of salt I haven't seen a whole lot of outright bullshit from him. He posted about how his proud brothers made him an honorary azov battalion artilleryman the other day so im not taking much at face value from him
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:It's been a few generations since Syria fought with another army directly, but don't they have a reputation from the 60s and 70s for being basically worthless on the battlefield? I might misreamember, but I recall reading somewhere that logistics tended to be one of the few strong points of near east Arabic militaries, because it was a dead end from a promotion perspective. Everything else was poo poo because of rampant nepotism, but logistics had more eggheads and less failsons, so it tended to work. Maybe Putin intends to outsource logistics? bees everywhere posted:The US still does that routinely (especially in the Navy), but there's a big difference in what happens to them after they get fired. Russia also has a history of doing that, consider e.g the career of Kliment Voroshilov: Wikipedia posted:Voroshilov commanded Soviet troops during the Winter War from November 1939 to January 1940 but, due to poor Soviet planning and Voroshilov's incompetence as a general, the Red Army suffered about 320,000 casualties compared to 70,000 Finnish casualties. When the leadership gathered at Stalin's dacha at Kuntsevo, Stalin shouted at Voroshilov for the losses; Voroshilov replied in kind, blaming the failure on Stalin for eliminating the Red Army's best generals in his purges. Voroshilov followed this retort by smashing a platter of roast suckling pig on the table. Nikita Khrushchev said it was the only time he ever witnessed such an outburst. Voroshilov was nonetheless made the scapegoat for the initial failures in Finland. He was later replaced as Defense Commissar by Semyon Timoshenko. Voroshilov was then made Deputy Premier responsible for cultural matters. He got another go at generalling during the siege of Leningrad which... did not go well, so he was once again replaced with someone who knew what they were doing, this time Zhukov. Voroshilov's main talent was kissing Stalin's rear end. Khrushchev allegedly once referred to him as "the biggest sack of poo poo in the army" after Stalin died.
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:I might misreamember, but I recall reading somewhere that logistics tended to be one of the few strong points of near east Arabic militaries, because it was a dead end from a promotion perspective. lol how the gently caress did he survive that
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A.o.D. posted:lol how the gently caress did he survive that Blame game respect game
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